Just to add to the CR pot

[RMoore1999]

I very much agree that cultural elements of conference realignment are important, which is why I continue to stress that I don't think that the ACC is going to collapse. That being said, UNC's cultural issues extend just as much (if not more) to the SEC. The T-shirt fan base might like the SEC, but the actual alums are about as wine-and-cheese as you can get for a public school. Don't underestimate that factor, as well (particularly since academically-minded university presidents ultimately make the decisions). UNC might be located in the South, but it's NOT an SEC-type school at all. It's a quintessential ACC school (balance of Southern academics), which is why it's going to be hard to pry schools like UNC and UVA out of there (although money still talks big-time). A school like FSU might not care about the perception of SEC academics, but it's a *massive* turn-off for UVA, UNC and GT. That's what makes the tussle between the Big Ten and SEC for UNC (who I firmly believe is #1 on both of their lists as a target that's not named Notre Dame or Texas) pretty interesting.

What do you think the chances are B1G stays at 14 long term? If slim, and ACC schools don't bite, who realistically fills slot 15 and 16?

 

[RMoore1999]

Thanks for the info. You could always create a twitter name and then drop tid bits that way. Just disguise the name.

Something like #johngreen Just leave off the last E.

John Greene is Melogroovy.....

 

[CL82]

That was understanding as well. UM hasn't filled out the paperwork yet.

Hmn seems unlikely if lawsuits have been filed, unless it was anticipatory breach.

 

[RS9999X]

Some pull this stuff from their butts. The ACC lawsuit filing is below. They first establish 'standing' and 'ripeness'. Note paragraph 27 where it clearly states Dr Loh and the Regents formally announced their withdrawal to the ACC Commissioner and office.


http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/sports/acc-vs-university-of-maryland-college-park/154/

 

[RS9999X]

26. On November 19, 2012, defendant Maryland conducted a public press
conference, led by Dr. Loh, announcing and discussing its decision to withdraw from the
ACC.

27. Dr. Loh, on behalf of and as the authorized agent of defendant Maryland,
officially provided notice of Maryland's withdrawal to the Commissioner of the ACC on
November 19, 2012.

28. The Big Ten Conference on or about November 19, 2012 published
statements welcoming defendant Maryland to the Big Ten Conference.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Asymptotes are not absolutes

Repeating decimals are absolutes. .333... is one-third. It doesn't approach one-third; it IS one-third.

I was attempting to point out the mildly interesting and, seemingly, counter intuitive fact that the repeating decimals .999... and 1.000... are the same number.

 

[J187Money]

You could say "my belief asymptotically approaches 100%" but he is right on the numbers.

 

[djct1999]

So in this scenario, the ACC is the power conference? I don't buy it. Nor do I buy UNCs allegiance. Its simply posturing. When its all said and done, the new ACC will simply be the old Big East, with the bottom feeders replacing the C7.

 

[upstater]

Repeating decimals are absolutes. .333... is one-third. It doesn't approach one-third; it IS one-third.

I was attempting to point out the mildly interesting and, seemingly, counter intuitive fact that the repeating decimals .999... and 1.000... are the same number.

You got me. I'm not a mathematician.

 

[UConn9604]

You got me. I'm not a mathematician.

Simple way to test it: if x = 0.999... repeating, then 10x = 9.999... repeating.

Everyone agrees that (10x - x) = 9x, right? Well, (10x - x) = (9.999... repeating) - (0.999... repeating) = 9.000

Therefore, 9x = 9.000, or x = 1.000.

 

[RS9999X]

Repeating decimals are absolutes. .333... is one-third. It doesn't approach one-third; it IS one-third.

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Get into why 3 divided into 1 is good and pure and Trinitarian as .3333 repeats into infinity and why 3 divided into 2 is .6666 repeated into infinity and evil and is the Mark of the Devil.

 

[Adios]

He thinks there is a 25% chance that UMD and B1G have second thoughts if it drags on too long. If so UConn is favorite to go to B1G with RU in place of MD.

Kind of funny how people in Birmingham would perceive us better than we perceive ourselves. This board feels like suicide watch.

 

[RS9999X]

Simple way to test it: if x = 0.999... repeating, then 10x = 9.999... repeating.

Everyone agrees that (10x - x) = 9x, right? Well, (10x - x) = (9.999... repeating) - (0.999... repeating) = 9.000

Therefore, 9x = 9.000, or x = 1.000.

You introduced rounding errors on the left hand side of the equation. This is important in writing computer algorithms. Choose your storage values wisely. Otherwise you end up with Patriot Missiles in the Gulf War in 1991 and friendly fire accidents

 

[RegisteredUconn]

You got me. I'm not a mathematician.

I didn't get you nor was I trying. Everything you posted was accurate. I just hijacked your contributions and modified your assumptions for my own purposes. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[upstater]

I didn't get you nor was I trying. Everything you posted was accurate. I just hijacked your contributions and modified your assumptions for my own purposes. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

I can see you might think I'm peeved or something. I really don't take this stuff seriously. Just joking around. As to UMd, it would be a crazier story than Manti Teo if they somehow landed back in the ACC.

 

[Jimdish255]

Sure he's part of the old guard but anyone who heard this couldn't help feeling he was speaking for a lot of MD alums and even though it was quite a rant he made some good points. It was a real-time gut reaction that had my jaw dropping as I heard it in my car. Will look for a link.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...-on-board-with-marylands-move-to-the-big-ten/

 

[The Funster]

Good for Lefty. Within 10 years a lot of people will be wondering why college athletics went through all these gyrations. It's a mistake. WVU is already beginning to see what their conf move has wrought, what a drag it has on the student athlete. That's after less than 1 full year of athletics. Is it all really worth a few dollars more? Yeah, some ADs are hemorrhaging money but I think we see that those $ are a drop in the bucket compared to most FBS school's total operating budgets.

 

[patrick]

Birmingham has 4 or 5 law firms with substantial sports law practices and Saturday I met a new partner in one of them at dinner. Neither his firm nor he have any direct connection with the B1G or UMD. The firm has done some work with the SEC. Here are comments he made.

UMD has gotten a lot of negative response from alumni (not associated with Under Armour)about leaving the ACC.

He hears there is little substantive talk in the background between UMD and the ACC. ACC is convinced it has a winning hand and is playing hard ball. B1G wants it all to go away.

He thinks there is a 25% chance that UMD and B1G have second thoughts if it drags on too long. If so UConn is favorite to go to B1G with RU in place of MD.

This would be a wet dream come true!!!!

 

[upstater]

Good for Lefty. Within 10 years a lot of people will be wondering why college athletics went through all these gyrations. It's a mistake. WVU is already beginning to see what their conf move has wrought, what a drag it has on the student athlete. That's after less than 1 full year of athletics. Is it all really worth a few dollars more? Yeah, some ADs are hemorrhaging money but I think we see that those $ are a drop in the bucket compared to most FBS school's total operating budgets.

A mistake for whom though. These are colleges. It's only a mistake for athletics, not for academics. Maryland was bleeding and was being subsidized heavily by the academic side. When people complain about the lack of academic integrity to all this, I rarely hear them take this into account. This isn't directed at you but at the media talking heads affiliated with sports. Almost no one points this out because almost no one ever mentions that athletics is heavily subsidized almost everywhere, and that is what's dictating all the changes.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Good for Lefty. Within 10 years a lot of people will be wondering why college athletics went through all these gyrations. It's a mistake. WVU is already beginning to see what their conf move has wrought, what a drag it has on the student athlete. That's after less than 1 full year of athletics. Is it all really worth a few dollars more? Yeah, some ADs are hemorrhaging money but I think we see that those $ are a drop in the bucket compared to most FBS school's total operating budgets.

I completely agree. Eventually, I think conferences will somehow migrate back to more regional affiliations. Most likely with regional divisions within 4 16 or 20 team major conferences. The current set up is just silly

 

[Jimdish255]

Don't think Childers ever posted the MP3 audio (now there's a bunch on Soundcloud but very little back then) but the whole interview was startling and raised some good questions. If anyone finds please post.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I completely agree. Eventually, I think conferences will somehow migrate back to more regional affiliations. Most likely with regional divisions within 4 16 or 20 team major conferences. The current set up is just silly

Yes, this is all stupid. It could easily be fixed by just having Congress step in and creating an NCAA championship in football, with 12 teams (4 with byes). Give a spot to every single conference champion. Bingo, suddenly having a football league with more than 10 or 12 is stupid and counterproductive (which it is in the general sense anyway for travel and rivalries). Better for the fan and media as well, as 6-8 decent football leagues would generate more broadcast competition, and the content would be harder to monopolize.

The only positive I see for 20 team leagues is that it is easier for them to split back to 10.

 

[ddminct]

Dip

 

[Exit 4]

Has John Greene denied that he is Melogroovy?

 

[upstater]

How about the crazy argument about the playoff taking away from class time. That simply doesn't fly anymore, if it ever did.

 

[Vuce]

How about the crazy argument about the playoff taking away from class time. That simply doesn't fly anymore, if it ever did.

Yeah even though the 1-AA schools at the time had a playoff and "missed class." Then you alkso had many schools who were on break anyway. It always was a bull excuse

 

[upstater]

Yeah even though the 1-AA schools at the time had a playoff and "missed class." Then you alkso had many schools who were on break anyway. It always was a bull excuse

Almost every university I know of is moving toward a long January intersession for two reasons.

1. Scholarship and federal loan money can't be used for those classes, so it all comes from out of pocket dollars.
2. The instructors likely to teach such courses will be part-timers earning $2k to 3k a pop.
3. It will allow students to finish their degrees more quickly.

This literally means that most state universities will begin spring semester between January 25-31 within the next decade. The way they can swing this is by getting rid of all holidays during the entire school year (including Labor Day) except for Spring Break and Thanksgiving.

In a decade, January football will be played when there are no classes going on.

 

[The Funster]

A mistake for whom though. These are colleges. It's only a mistake for athletics, not for academics. Maryland was bleeding and was being subsidized heavily by the academic side. When people complain about the lack of academic integrity to all this, I rarely hear them take this into account. This isn't directed at you but at the media talking heads affiliated with sports. Almost no one points this out because almost no one ever mentions that athletics is heavily subsidized almost everywhere, and that is what's dictating all the changes.

You make a good point. On the one hand the university's primary objective is supposed to be education. On the other hand we've seen what success in basketball has done for the University of Connecticut. We have raised our academic profile in large part because of that success. However, UConn appears to be the exception rather than the rule in this regard.

That being said, I think it's a mistake for the student athlete in general and for the fans. Let's use WVU as an example. They're already having issues with the travel in the Big 12 and that's with basketball. What are those travel issues doing to the Olympic sport athletes? How are fans affected because it's a flight insead of a drive to an occasional event? Let's assume that WVU is getting 20M more than they would have if they had stayed. Are all those issues worth 20M when contrasted against the entire WVU operating budget? Would WVU have been better served had they stayed in the BE (I know, a hypothetical) and maybe taking a little less money for a more comprehensive benefit for it's students and supporters?

I'm not going to pretend I have the answers to these questions because I don't and I guess if I was going to access this I would ask why bother with any thought of tradition and let us choose the top 64 or 80 or 96 teamsn and assemble them in such a way to leverage maximum $ for the entire collection. That way $ are maximized and there is some regional consistency so costs on the back end are reduced and fan participation for road games is still a realistic endeavor.

 

[John Greene]

Has John Greene denied that he is Melogroovy?

Not enough of an "insider" to know if being Melogroovy is good or bad. Someone please clue me in. If it is good I may not deny it. At least no one thinks I'm the rational 10% of hfd's brain.

 

[MTHusky]

Not enough of an "insider" to know if being Melogroovy is good or bad. Someone please clue me in. If it is good I may not deny it. At least no one thinks I'm the rational 10% of hfd's brain.

Give it time, John.