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Head coaching record[edit]

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Northeastern Huskies
(Unknown/ECAC North/North Atlantic Conference) (1972–1986)
1972–73 Northeastern 19–7
1973–74 Northeastern 12–11
1974–75 Northeastern 12–12
1975–76 Northeastern 12–13
1976–77 Northeastern 12–14
1977–78 Northeastern 14–12
1978–79 Northeastern 13–13

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maybe KO just has to find himself and refine his methodology
 
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Is Coach Calhoun involved in the program in any capacity at this point? Haven't head much about him of late other than his occasional broadcasting.
 
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yeah but, KO won 20+ games every season. And a pesky little thing called a National Championship.

Your not wrong, I just think comparing a team with no history at the beginning of Calhoun's career is totally different than a program that was built up that Ollie took over. But i'm not one of the idiots on here calling for ollie's head. Calhoun had plenty of up and down seasons.
 

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Is Coach Calhoun involved in the program in any capacity at this point? Haven't head much about him of late other than his occasional broadcasting.

On the payroll as a 'consultant' but probably not much going on there.
 
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Not applicable...Calhoun's first years at Northeastern and at UConn were total rebuilds for teams that had NO history of success. Ollie inherited a program coming off of 3 National Championships and a history of success. Granted he was dealing with the APR issue and the demise of the Big East. Ollie is getting a bad rap. The starting 5 is comprised of 3 transfers, a center who by all accounts was a project, a swing man who is only a sophomore and 1st person off the bench is a freshmen. This team needs to gel, it takes time, there is talent. Once Ollie finds the right rotation and these guys get to know each other, then you will see it start to come together.
 
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Head coaching record[edit]

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Northeastern Huskies
(Unknown/ECAC North/North Atlantic Conference) (1972–1986)
1972–73 Northeastern 19–7
1973–74 Northeastern 12–11
1974–75 Northeastern 12–12
1975–76 Northeastern 12–13
1976–77 Northeastern 12–14
1977–78 Northeastern 14–12
1978–79 Northeastern 13–13

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maybe KO just has to find himself and refine his methodology
Each thread you start is more head scratching than the last, takes true talent to do that.
 
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maybe KO just has to find himself and refine his methodology
With UConn it took about six years for Calhoun to establish himself as an elite recruiter and starting bringing in classes that sustainably produced nationally competitive teams.

1987: 9-19
1988: 20-14
1989: 18-13
1990: 31-6
1991: 20-11
1992: 20-12
1993: 15-13

Considering where we had come from, it's remarkable that he built the team into what it was in less than a decade. But even when he recruited elite talent, he didn't always put together an apex-level team.

My point on that? Look at that 1992-93 team. They had 1 future lottery pick (Donnyell), two future first-round picks (Burrell and Knight), and two other future NBA players (KO and Donny). They had a 3-point specialist who was a top-5o recruit (Fair) and two other guys (Rudy, Hayward) who were well regarded recruits that would go on to be key contributors to multiple Big East title-winning teams.

Of that list of players only Donny was really an under-the-radar talent. Everyone else was a 4- or 5-star get, and the way the following years played out proves that they were legit winners.

But they were absolutely putrid that season. They were soft. They were dumb. They were careless with the ball, and for the life of me I still can't figure out how you can put Burrell, Fair and Donnyell on the same court and not figure out how to create any meaningful spacing on offense. They got the crap kicked out of them by just about every decent team they played, repeatedly choked down the stretch of close games, and absolutely folded in March, losing five straight to end the year. Lindsay Hunter should've had to tithe 10% of his NBA salary to UConn athletics for how bad we were against him in the NIT.

And that's the thing: There's no reason that team should have been that soft, dumb or bad. But it happened.

Calhoun worked miracles but he wasn't infallible - that was his 21st year as a head coach and 7th with UConn. Every coach, unless he's recruiting at a Calipari or K level, needs to string together multiple classes in a row that range from "solid" to "excellent" before they're able to start stringing together 30+ win seasons, and no one is immune to that. Not even Calhoun himself, who started to have some wild swing-and-a-miss classes over his last seven years that left real leadership and talent gaps in the program.

That's the hand KO was dealt - he's not building a program from scratch the way Calhoun did, but he's having to resurrect it a bit given the scandals, the player defections and the conference downgrade. Maybe it's not going fast enough for you, and maybe he didn't do a good enough job recruiting the first two years, but let's not pretend that Calhoun's teams were perpetually immune to the sort of dysfunction this current squad has shown in the first halves of their biggest games so far.

It sucks, of course. And we're all frustrated. But this year's roster is more talented than last year's, and next year's will be more talented than this year's. That's how a program resurrection works.
 

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Each thread you start is more head scratching than the last, takes true talent to do that.

I can only surmise you simply don't have the knowledge base to work with that I do

or maybe you just can't keep up
 

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With UConn it took about six years for Calhoun to establish himself as an elite recruiter and starting bringing in classes that sustainably produced nationally competitive teams.

1987: 9-19
1988: 20-14
1989: 18-13
1990: 31-6
1991: 20-11
1992: 20-12
1993: 15-13

Considering where we had come from, it's remarkable that he built the team into what it was in less than a decade. But even when he recruited elite talent, he didn't always put together an apex-level team.

My point on that? Look at that 1992-93 team. They had 1 future lottery pick (Donnyell), two future first-round picks (Burrell and Knight), and two other future NBA players (KO and Donny). They had a 3-point specialist who was a top-5o recruit (Fair) and two other guys (Rudy, Hayward) who were well regarded recruits that would go on to be key contributors to multiple Big East title-winning teams.

Of that list of players only Donny was really an under-the-radar talent. Everyone else was a 4- or 5-star get, and the way the following years played out proves that they were legit winners.

But they were absolutely putrid that season. They were soft. They were dumb. They were careless with the ball, and for the life of me I still can't figure out how you can put Burrell, Fair and Donnyell on the same court and not figure out how to create any meaningful spacing on offense. They got the crap kicked out of them by just about every decent team they played, repeatedly choked down the stretch of close games, and absolutely folded in March, losing five straight to end the year. Lindsay Hunter should've had to tithe 10% of his NBA salary to UConn athletics for how bad we were against him in the NIT.

And that's the thing: There's no reason that team should have been that soft, dumb or bad. But it happened.

Calhoun worked miracles but he wasn't infallible - that was his 21st year as a head coach and 7th with UConn. Every coach, unless he's recruiting at a Calipari or K level, needs to string together multiple classes in a row that range from "solid" to "excellent" before they're able to start stringing together 30+ win seasons, and no one is immune to that. Not even Calhoun himself, who started to have some wild swing-and-a-miss classes over his last seven years that left real leadership and talent gaps in the program.

That's the hand KO was dealt - he's not building a program from scratch the way Calhoun did, but he's having to resurrect it a bit given the scandals, the player defections and the conference downgrade. Maybe it's not going fast enough for you, and maybe he didn't do a good enough job recruiting the first two years, but let's not pretend that Calhoun's teams were perpetually immune to the sort of dysfunction this current squad has shown in the first halves of their biggest games so far.

It sucks, of course. And we're all frustrated. But this year's roster is more talented than last year's, and next year's will be more talented than this year's. That's how a program resurrection works.


Must. Win. Now. (heavy mouth breathe)
 
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yeah but, KO won 20+ games every season. And a pesky little thing called a National Championship.

Still no comparison. What would you prefer to get the keys to a Vega or a Mercedes to start driving?
 
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Still no comparison. What would you prefer to get the keys to a Vega or a Mercedes to start driving?
Let's not be disingenuous: It was a Mercedes with 120k miles, bad exhaust and dents like a .
 
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Let's not be disingenuous: It was a Mercedes with 120k miles, bad exhaust and dents like a .

No it wasn't. It was still a huge brand name with a little dent in it. No comparison sorry! It even had some spare parts for the future to use the coming years.

We're talking Northeastern vs UConn after JC - please.
 
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No it wasn't. It was still a huge brand name with a little dent in it.
A postseason ban, a scholarship reduction, recruiting sanctions, a reputation for off-court malfeasance (mostly unearned, but still), and a HUGE conference downgrade is more than just "a little dent."

People were talking about us like we were a mid-major in 2013. And if we'd gotten the wrong coach we would've been - just look at what Crean has (hasn't) done with Indiana.

Try to be reasonable. I know you have it in you.
 

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Still absolutely no comparison to the state the program was in when Calhoun took over in late 80's BEast.

Great, you've established it wasn't as bad a situation as post-Perno UConn. That doesn't mean it's automatically peachy keen. It's not a binary either-or thing.
 
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Still absolutely no comparison to the state the program was in when Calhoun took over in late 80's BEast.
Of course not, and I didn't make that comparison. But in 2012 the program was a train wreck, and I can't believe people have forgotten that.
 
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A postseason ban, a scholarship reduction, recruiting sanctions, a reputation for off-court malfeasance (mostly unearned, but still), and a HUGE conference downgrade is more than just "a little dent."

People were talking about us like we were a mid-major in 2013. And if we'd gotten the wrong coach we would've been - just look at what Crean has (hasn't) done with Indiana.

Try to be reasonable. I know you have it in you.

I am reasonable. It wasn't the prettiest of time but it wasn't a HS coach taking over a small school with no national attention in Boston MA. It's not close they just won a NC a short time ago, their 3rd, when he got there. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. And on occasion you are right I do have it in me. On others I don't:eek:, you know that Matrim LOL all in fun my friend.
 
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Great, you've established it wasn't as bad a situation as post-Perno UConn. That doesn't mean it's automatically peachy keen. It's not a binary either-or thing.


Kind of sad that this is something that seemingly needs to be established in this thread.
 

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KO had a much better program to start than JC. But KO did not get the premiere UConn program either. Both are true.
 
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Of course not, and I didn't make that comparison. But in 2012 the program was a train wreck, and I can't believe people have forgotten that.

What I think we found out was we got rid of the train cars that were causing the wreck and the cars that stayed made is a safer ride! KO obviously had to do a tremendous job to get 20 W's but he had the kids who were Huskies vs the one's who were there for themselves. That helps - on JC for recruiting them but he also won a NC with them despite the attitudes which showed up after their success.

Just one man's opinion, not at all thinking I'm right.
 
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Of course not, and I didn't make that comparison. But in 2012 the program was a train wreck, and I can't believe people have forgotten that.

I'd also say "trainwreck" is a bit strong. To say that the program was a trainwreck at that point wouldn't be giving enough credit to the 20+ year run of success and the 3 NC's as well as all of the NBA players the program produced in that time.
 
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