Jordan Danberry granted another year MSU

[DaBball]

Why? What's her argument?

Per Dawn, she has "a story"....

 

[eebmg]

Why? What's her argument?

It's Destiny.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Why? What's her argument?

IMO, if they gave Danberry an extra season, everyone should get a waiver.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

NCAA did review Te’a’s waiver application and denied it.

https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-womens-basketball/article199362659.html

In February.

 

[UConnCat]

IMO, if they gave Danberry an extra season, everyone should get a waiver.

For her sake I hope her “story” is more persuasive than what about Danberry.

 

[SimpleDawg]

I agree with Secbbfan. If they do it consistently, I have no problem with it.

Besides... a waiver approved for Destiny Littleton is different than Danberry. Danberry is trying to get another year after playing only 3 years. Littleton is trying to avoid having to sit a year. They're not comparable. Littleton won't lose a year of eligibility no matter what. Danberry has lost a year, but legit sat out a full calendar year, even though she played bits and pieces of her sophomore and junior, but in the end she played only 3 years altogether cumulated.

 

[UConnCat]

I agree with Secbbfan. If they do it consistently, I have no problem with it.

Danberry has lost a year, but legit sat out a full calendar year, even though she played bits and pieces of her sophomore and junior, but in the end she played only 3 years altogether cumulated.

The situations are different. That said, the NCAA has always counted those games (“bits and pieces”) played by Danberry as a full season. There are countless players before Danberry who didn’t get the benefit of another season. If the NCAA has changed its rules for all similarly situated student-athletes than it should say that and amend its rules.

 

[SimpleDawg]

The situations are different. That said, the NCAA has always counted those games (“bits and pieces”) played by Danberry as a full season. There are countless players before Danberry who didn’t get the benefit of another season. If the NCAA has changed its rules for all similarly situated student-athletes than it should say that and amend its rules.

I agree, but maybe they're in the process of beginning a change now.

Let's refer to Daneesha Provo of Utah. She played bits and pieces of her freshman in Clemson. 31 games of her sophomore. 28 of her junior, and 13 of her senior before being injured. She had a "bits and pieces" situation like Danberry - though it was in her freshman and senior year. So they bunched those 2 partial years together and called it one year.

If starting right now is when they're beginning a change towards the combining the bits and pieces years, I have no problem with it.

 

[Jmsdawg]

The situations are different. That said, the NCAA has always counted those games (“bits and pieces”) played by Danberry as a full season. There are countless players before Danberry who didn’t get the benefit of another season. If the NCAA has changed its rules for all similarly situated student-athletthan it should say that and amend its rules.

I would like the rules to be simple and consistent. The only transfer rule that seem to be simple and consistent is graduate transfers, all others seem to be complex and inconsistent. I still do not understand why the Promise Taylor eligibity was turn down and AEH approved, I really did not see much difference between those two cases

 

[SimpleDawg]

I would like the rules to be simple and consistent. The only transfer rule that seem to be simple and consistent is graduate transfers, all others seem to be complex and inconsistent. I still do not understand why the Promise Taylor eligibity was turn down and AEH approved, I really did not see much difference between those two cases

Apparently it was because Geno was mean to her.

 

[UConnCat]

I would like the rules to be simple and consistent. The only transfer rule that seem to be simple and consistent is graduate transfers, all others seem to be complex and inconsistent. I still do not understand why the Promise Taylor eligibity was turn down and AEH approved, I really did not see much difference between those two cases

The mid-season transfer rules used to be simple and consistent. We may begin to see more December transfers given how the NCAA is now treating them.

Maybe Miss opposed Taylor’s waiver. I doubt Geno opposed AEH’s and even if he did it wouldn’t have mattered as he was critical of her. AEH will get another year of eligibility as I doubt the games she played at UConn will count.

 

[UConnCat]

I agree, but maybe they're in the process of beginning a change now.

Let's refer to Daneesha Provo of Utah. She played bits and pieces of her freshman in Clemson. 31 games of her sophomore. 28 of her junior, and 13 of her senior before being injured. She had a "bits and pieces" situation like Danberry - though it was in her freshman and senior year. So they bunched those 2 partial years together and called it one year.

If starting right now is when they're beginning a change towards the combining the bits and pieces years, I have no problem with it.

I actually do have a problem with it. In this transfer era such a change could result in more mid-season transfers. Losing a season of eligibility used to be a deterrent to transferring after the first semester (provided the student-athlete played in Nov-Dec games). Now, that doesn’t seem to matter.

I expect the NCAA will continue to grant an extra year of eligibility in these cases through the waiver process. What else can it do? Enact a rule that says if you transfer after the first semester you won’t lose a year of eligibility no matter how many games you play in Nov-Dec? I don’t think so.

 

[Plebe]

IMO, if they gave Danberry an extra season, everyone should get a waiver.

Uh, that's not gonna be a very persuasive case.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Uh, that's not gonna be a very persuasive case.

It kind of should be.

The NCAA has systematically shafted kids in Danberry's position for decades and all of a sudden they're like "oh why even look at the rule book".

If I was confident that everyone in that situation would now get a waiver that would be cool. But it won't go that way. Who makes up the best story and hits the committee on the right day. That's what its all about.

 

[Plebe]

It kind of should be.

The NCAA has systematically shafted kids in Danberry's position for decades and all of a sudden they're like "oh why even look at the rule book".

If I was confident that everyone in that situation would now get a waiver that would be cool. But it won't go that way. Who makes up the best story and hits the committee on the right day. That's what its all about.

I don't consider it "shafting" if they were simply applying plainly stated rules. The perplexing part is when they start granting exemptions from those rules for no apparent non-capricious reason.

In this case no one, as far as I knew, was expecting Danberry to get another season, and in fact even the most diehard MSU fans seemed oblivious to the fact that a waiver request was even in the works.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I don't consider it "shafting" if they were simply applying plainly stated rules. The perplexing part is when they start granting exemptions from those rules for no apparent non-capricious reason.

In this case no one, as far as I knew, was expecting Danberry to get another season, and in fact even the most diehard MSU fans seemed oblivious to the fact that a waiver request was even in the works.

I mean what basis would anyone have for thinking it would be granted?

I tend to agree that applying a black and white rule isn’t shafting anyone, but like the other gamecock fan said, I think we had a guy lose a season over an exhibition game or maybe just a single game.

When someone gets a special exception for no obvious reason you are sort of retroactively shafting everyone that lost a year. Not really but does this mean the rule is changed by precedent or do you have to know the magic words and gestures?

 

[DaBball]

I mean what basis would anyone have for thinking it would be granted?

I tend to agree that applying a black and white rule isn’t shafting anyone, but like the other gamecock fan said, I think we had a guy lose a season over an exhibition game or maybe just a single game.

When someone gets a special exception for no obvious reason you are sort of retroactively shafting everyone that lost a year. Not really but does this mean the rule is changed by precedent or do you have to know the magic words and gestures?

People are acting like Danberry's case was the first of its kind. It isn't like they did it for one person, and denied a bunch of other ones. Japreece Dean, then Daneesha Provo, then Jordan Danberry.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

People are acting like Danberry's case was the first of its kind. It isn't like they did it for one person, and denied a bunch of other ones. Japreece Dean, then Daneesha Provo, then Jordan Danberry.

They have denied lots of other ones in the past.

I think it's insane that they have built a system based on who comes up with the best story to appeal to a committee on a day when they are feeling mellow.

I sort of think that giving players more control over their careers and being a little more human about some things is a good thing, but who can predict what they are going to do?

The football player that wanted to transfer to a smaller school much closer to home so his dying grandfather could watch him play? Go screw yourself. The guy who wanted to transfer to another program farther away from home just cause? Step right up buddy.

It's nuts.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

They have denied lots of other ones in the past.

I think it's insane that they have built a system based on who comes up with the best story to appeal to a committee on a day when they are feeling mellow.

I sort of think that giving players more control over their careers and being a little more human about some things is a good thing, but who can predict what they are going to do?

The football player that wanted to transfer to a smaller school much closer to home so his dying grandfather could watch him play? Go screw yourself. The guy who wanted to transfer to another program farther away from home just cause? Step right up buddy.

It's nuts.

So there was the kid who wanted waiver for transfer from Coastal to Virginia Tech that said his mom had a brain tumor and he wanted to be closer to help. Denied. Maybe it wasn't really feasible for him to help, maybe it was longstanding condition, whatever.

Then there is Tate Martel, who is from Vegas, who transferred to Miami from Ohio State about 15 minutes after Ohio State took another QB transfer Justin Fields. All good says the NCAA. You get to play right away.

Justin Fields actually had a good case care of his baseball teammate using a racial slur against him in a well publicized story, but I mean we all know he transferred because he didn't win the QB job. But no problem.

Michigan kid transfers to Tennessee after playing in five games last year. Immediately eligible for what reason again?

I actually believe they probably do have guidelines and I do like to believe that bodies of people generally operated within reason, but it's just a bad looking process right now. It's difficult to find information as to what the criteria is, the rulings are opaque, they seem inconsistent, and it seems like the edge of the bubble is pushed out more and more every year, while some folks don't get the benefit of it.

I personally think sitting out a year is a reasonable requirement, but when you are suddenly doing away with that requirement for certain kids who can come up with a credible cover story you've got a perception problem.

Open it up or close it down. I think that's the right thing to do. Don't make it a lawyering contest.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

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So what sense does it make for the NCAA to act this way in this situation, but grant Tate Martell's transfer from Ohio State to Miami in two months?

 

[UConnCat]

Louisville recently filed the paperwork for waivers for Balogun and Dixon. Jeff expects to hear by late September. He doesn't seem worried.

U of L waiting for NCAA's answer on two women's hoops transfers

Louisville is waiting on an answer from the NCAA on two women's basketball transfers

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