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John Marinatto resigns as Big East Commish

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Marinatto was pushing for a hike in the exit fee. He couldn't get enough schools to bite. It's reasonable to infer that he knows his creation is not going to be permanent without a bigger exit fee and guarantee of rights, and that the presidents are not committed so when they asked him to step aside he was ready to oblige.
 
zls44 said:
Thanks guys! You finally brought something to the conference!
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Too little too late though
 
A split of the conference BL? really? at this point in time? That would be something. I suppose anything really is possible moving forward. Cutting loose the parochial basketball school presence in the Washington, D.C to NYC corridor and disrupting the property that is the big east basketball tourney in MSG isn't a great idea for the big east when it comes to TV talks, I think. We just can't have people at the table that the other side, can have any possibility of beginning negotiations with overvalueing that and devaluing football.

Marinatto, for 3 years, has done nothing but put football as priority #1 for the big east, but even still, if he sits down at that table, simply by his presence there, the other side is still going to start with the intent that the big east is a basketball league, and by dangling out basketball on the hook for the bite.
 
I wouldn't put too much weight into the idea that the hoops schools pushed him out. They were probably the only reason he was around, so when the hoops schools turned on him of course he was gone. I doubt the football schools wanted him to stick around.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
I wouldn't put too much weight into the idea that the hoops schools pushed him out. They were probably the only reason he was around, so when the hoops schools turned on him of course he was gone. I doubt the football schools wanted him to stick around.
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This does bring up an interesting (and troubling) question. With all of the differences that the conference members have, and the difficulty associated with keeping them all happy........What truly qualified candidate would even want that job?

I mean Marinatto essentially compromised and tried to please both sides with Memphis.
 
Carl Spackler said:
A split of the conference BL? really? at this point in time? That would be something. I suppose anything really is possible moving forward. Cutting loose the parochial basketball school presence in the Washington, D.C to NYC corridor and disrupting the property that is the big east basketball tourney in MSG isn't a great idea for the big east when it comes to TV talks, I think. We just can't have people at the table that the other side, can have any possibility of beginning negotiations with overvalueing that and devaluing football.

Marinatto, for 3 years, has done nothing but put football as priority #1 for the big east, but even still, if he sits down at that table, simply by his presence there, the other side is still going to start with the intent that the big east is a basketball league, and by dangling out basketball on the hook for the bite.
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if he put football #1 for the past 3 years cuse/pitt/wvu would not have left. tcu would have tho possibly still for something.

if football was #1 for the past 3 years he would have added temple/ist/kan/kst and who ever else whent he b12 was falling apart. he would have got us to 12 fball schools with the tv contract ready to go and all would have been well. then were looking at the best bball league and a 12 to 16 fball school league with wvu just coming off a a rape of clemson in a bcs game and more brand name schools now here. the BE could have been 4th of the big 5. the b12 would have died and the acc would have to scratch its ass some more.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
if he put football #1 for the past 3 years cuse/pitt/wvu would not have left. tcu would have tho possibly still for something.

if football was #1 for the past 3 years he would have added temple/ist/kan/kst and who ever else whent he b12 was falling apart. he would have got us to 12 fball schools with the tv contract ready to go and all would have been well. then were looking at the best bball league and a 12 to 16 fball school league with wvu just coming off a a rape of clemson in a bcs game and more brand name schools now here. the BE could have been 4th of the big 5. the b12 would have died and the acc would have to scratch its ass some more.
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Kind of along the same lines... I want someone to come in who isn't afraid to be ruthless. Kill or be killed. And I'm tired of the BE getting killed.
 
i mean the guy blew a great opp to do something for fball.
f the bball schools i would split form them asap for something like this. but he couldn't get it done back then and bye bye did cuse/pitt/wvu.

uconn/ruty/temple/cuse/pitt/usf/ucf/ecu
cincy/lville/memphis/baylor/tcu/kan/kst/ist
 
HuskyfanDan said:
if he put football #1 for the past 3 years cuse/pitt/wvu would not have left. tcu would have tho possibly still for something.

if football was #1 for the past 3 years he would have added temple/ist/kan/kst and who ever else whent he b12 was falling apart. he would have got us to 12 fball schools with the tv contract ready to go and all would have been well. then were looking at the best bball league and a 12 to 16 fball school league with wvu just coming off a a rape of clemson in a bcs game and more brand name schools now here. the BE could have been 4th of the big 5. the b12 would have died and the acc would have to scratch its ass some more.
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You are falling into the same level of understanding trap that too many fall into. Marinatto, by design, as a conference commissioner had to balance what he felt was most important for the league with what the membership wanted, he can't simply do whatever he wants to do.

Every single move he's made for the conference, has been about football, rather than basketball. Yes, Syracuse and Pitt, left - blaming that on Marinatto's actions? Misguided. Syracuse wanted out the league in 2003, so badly - that the AD at the time, stated, on record, that he would voluntarily gave up his post at Syracuse, if the big east went forward with the Depaul, Marquette expansion plans - and he did....those plans were guided by the basketball schools. Argue all you want that the moves were not strong enough, and the way TCU was handled, I'd agree - but the fact that everything Marinatto has done has been about football over basketball, is truth.
 
Marinatto didn't quit on his own volition, of course. Where is he ever going to get such a big job again? But reading here that it was the BB schools pushing the change is bad news for UConn.
 
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Waquoit said:
Marinatto didn't quit on his own volition, of course. Where is he ever going to get such a big job again? But reading here that it was the BB schools pushing the change is bad news for UConn.
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Exactly, this is the basketball schools banding together for one final fight. This is not going to end well!
 
Waquoit said:
Marinatto didn't quit on his own volition, of course. Where is he ever going to get such a big job again? But reading here that it was the BB schools pushing the change is bad news for UConn.
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I'm not so sure. As has been noted above, the BB schools were his power base. When they left him it was over. It's not like the football schools wanted him but the BB schools forced them to get rid of him.

I think BL's suggestion that this is a precurser to a split in the league makes sense, if for no other reason than that the BB onlies and the football guys are unlikely to agree on the right points of emphasis moving forward. Without a shared vision, they are unlikely to agree on a new commissioner. Maybe the next contract becomes two contracts, all sports and bb onlies. Two separate leagues with a scheduling agreement for basketball.
 
Carl Spackler said:
A split of the conference BL? really? at this point in time? That would be something. I suppose anything really is possible moving forward. Cutting loose the parochial basketball school presence in the Washington, D.C to NYC corridor and disrupting the property that is the big east basketball tourney in MSG isn't a great idea for the big east when it comes to TV talks, I think. We just can't have people at the table that the other side, can have any possibility of beginning negotiations with overvalueing that and devaluing football.
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Why does SDSU give a rat's ass about the DC to NYC corridor? Or Boise, Houston or SMU? I've been saying for months that there is no way this Frankenstein's monster of a conference can stay afloat. The hoops schools know it and probably want to cut their losses. They can keep the name and MSG, bring in some additional schools or merge with the A1o. There is no way that PC, St. Johns, SHU and Georgetown want to (or can afford to) travel to Memphis, Houston and Dallas. Florida was bad enough.

If Louisville doesn't move on to the Big 12, they and Cincy can form an all-sports conference with Memphis, CFU and SFU and our western members. I thought this was even more likely once the MWC-Conf USA merger fell through. If the ACC loses two, and takes UConn and Rutgers, this begins to make perfect sense. Add one more, maybe Nevada, and this is a plausible 10 team all sports conference: SFU, CFU, Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Boise St, SDSU, Houston, SMU. Temple is probably left in the cold. If Louisville and Cincy can bail as well, the Florida schools are looking at CUSA, along with Memphis, and Boise, SDSU, Houston and SMU join the new, re-formed Mountain West.
 
CTMike said:
Kind of along the same lines... I want someone to come in who isn't afraid to be ruthless. Kill or be killed. And I'm tired of the BE getting killed.
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I don't disagree, but I also don't think it's a question of whether you're willing to be aggressive enough. I think the idea of bringing in Kansas etc. was never going to happen unless OU/UT actually went through with blowing up the B12. I would have loved for the BE to somehow bring in a Maryland or lock in Notre Dame but that was never going to happen either. Realistically, Boise State and UCF are about the best we could have hoped for. Anything beyond bringing in former CUSA schools is dependent on other leagues blowing up, and the B12 managed to hold it together and thus far we have to pray that the ACC will crumble. So far Swofford has proven pretty adept at surviving, we'll see what happens if FSU gets ants in their pants.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
Exactly, this is the basketball schools banding together for one final fight. This is not going to end well!
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My sense is that the football schools didn't love him. It was basically the basketball schools who kept him. Once he lost their support, he was done. It wasn't all that difficult to assemble a majority to force him out. Interesting note to all those who think Jurich will be the next commissioner...I've heard he was one of the holdouts and is really tight with marinatto. this move would more likely speed up louisville's exit plans than lead to Jurich taking the job as commissioner...but who knows.
 
freescooter said:
My sense is that the football schools didn't love him. It was basically the basketball schools who kept him. Once he lost their support, he was done. It wasn't all that difficult to assemble a majority to force him out. Interesting note to all those who think Jurich will be the next commissioner...I've heard he was one of the holdouts and is really tight with marinatto. this move would more likely speed up louisville's exit plans than lead to Jurich taking the job as commissioner...but who knows.
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This would require Jurich to put Louisville's long term best interests ahead of his own career ambitions. Very rare.
 
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CTMike said:
The search for the new commissioner will be chaired by Cincinnati president Gregory H. Williams, a member of the Big East Executive Committee.
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So I guess that means Cincy will be the next team to leave the conference.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Why does SDSU give a rat's ass about the DC to NYC corridor? Or Boise, Houston or SMU? I've been saying for months that there is no way this Frankenstein's monster of a conference can stay afloat. The hoops schools know it and probably want to cut their losses. They can keep the name and MSG, bring in some additional schools or merge with the A1o. There is no way that PC, St. Johns, SHU and Georgetown want to (or can afford to) travel to Memphis, Houston and Dallas. Florida was bad enough.
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Quite frankly the only scenario in which the Big East name retains any value is if the basketball onlies split and keep the name. As a football conference, it's been dragged through the mud long enough.
 
freescooter said:
My sense is that the football schools didn't love him. It was basically the basketball schools who kept him. Once he lost their support, he was done. It wasn't all that difficult to assemble a majority to force him out. Interesting note to all those who think Jurich will be the next commissioner...I've heard he was one of the holdouts and is really tight with marinatto. this move would more likely speed up louisville's exit plans than lead to Jurich taking the job as commissioner...but who knows.
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So let me get this straight. The football end of the Big East is crumbling all around with "techtonic shifts" about every 8 years, while the Commish assumed to position. And now it's the basketball school booting him out? No wonder things are the way they are? What next Notre Dame demanding bumping rights in any future Men's Final Four should a BE team earn it's way in?
 
"One of the biggest stumbling points has been how the television money would be divided among the basketball and football schools. Last year at the spring meetings in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla., one proposal suggested a 75/25 split -- 75 percent of the money going to football schools, and 25 percent going to basketball schools. One athletic director at a basketball school raised his hand and wondered why the numbers were not flipped, since hoops is the reason the Big East exists in the first place."

I've advocated for a split for 2 years. The time is now. Noone that's qualified for this job in their right mind would accept it.
 
does anyone know marinates mailing address? i want to send him some roses and a double cheese burger.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
"One of the biggest stumbling points has been how the television money would be divided among the basketball and football schools. Last year at the spring meetings in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla., one proposal suggested a 75/25 split -- 75 percent of the money going to football schools, and 25 percent going to basketball schools. One athletic director at a basketball school raised his hand and wondered why the numbers were not flipped, since hoops is the reason the Big East exists in the first place."
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This is why 'Cuse, WVU, and Pitt are gone... and why UConn would follow in a moments notice. If the basketball schools had any sort of grasp on reality... you could maintain a conference like the Big East. They've been riding coat-tails for far to long. It's time to go. Before Pitt and Cuse left... I thought there was value in maintaining the relationship with the basketball schools... but I was wrong. They just don't get it.
 
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junglehusky said:
I don't disagree, but I also don't think it's a question of whether you're willing to be aggressive enough. I think the idea of bringing in Kansas etc. was never going to happen unless OU/UT actually went through with blowing up the B12.
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I agree, but the Big East didn't help itself out when you had basketball schools actively lobbying against grabbing Kansas, etc.
 
IMind said:
This is why 'Cuse, WVU, and Pitt are gone... and why UConn would follow in a moments notice. If the basketball schools had any sort of grasp on reality... you could maintain a conference like the Big East. They've been riding coat-tails for far to long. It's time to go. Before Pitt and Cuse left... I thought there was value in maintaining the relationship with the basketball schools... but I was wrong. They just don't get it.
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There is value there. It has to occur under a business structure that makes sense though. in one of the conference discussions a year ago, I wrote about what I thought could work - a Big East conference umbrella with separate football dba's and basketball/olympics. Separate corporate offices. Separate leadership panels. Could even go as far as to require separate / distinct/ unique representatives from schools that cross both sports to be involved in committee leadership.

Only way to make it happen, and go into television negotiations without hte weakness of internal crossfire, and have a stable structure where all members are confident and sure that their leadership chain of command, is owrking for their interests only and not others.

The big east could have gotten here for free, but they'll pay some company in Boston millions for it. LOL
 
Carl Spackler said:
There is value there. It has to occur under a business structure that makes sense though. in one of the conference discussions a year ago, I wrote about what I thought could work - a Big East conference umbrella with separate football dba's and basketball/olympics. Separate corporate offices. Separate leadership panels. Could even go as far as to require separate / distinct/ unique representatives from schools that cross both sports to be involved in committee leadership.

Only way to make it happen, and go into television negotiations without hte weakness of internal crossfire, and have a stable structure where all members are confident and sure that their leadership chain of command, is owrking for their interests only and not others.

The big east could have gotten here for free, but they'll pay some company in Boston millions for it. LOL
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I think what you just described.....are 2 separate conferences.
 
Nope, not two separate conferences. A hybrid conference that makes sense.

If your quote Jimmy, about the b-ball AD is accurate - don't know where it came from, you didn't post citation, it's all you need to know. I'm confident in saying that the context/meaning of that quote is an accurate reflection of things that can happen in the current Big East business structure when it comes to internal decision making.

The hybrid conference can work, and can be quite powerful actually, MORE powerful than an all sports conference - with the power of basketball AND football in revenue generating, but it all depends on having a structure that doesn't allow for exactly what you quoted to be happening with internal decision making.
 
I don't think anyone pushed for two separate conferences more than me over the last four years, back when WV, Cuse and Pitt were in the conference. No way I want to see UConn up against a slate of Rutgers, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis now. The bball games with any juice to them will be against Louisville, Cincy and the Catholics.
 
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