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Joe Paterno has died
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Well ESPN is going to be more unbearable than normal today...
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I've already heard a few old farts on ESPN radio saying he died of a broken heart after being fired. So basically, he had a lifetime job because having the audacity to fire him would be the proximate cause of his death. Please ignore his age and health issues.
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He's also an accessory to countless felonies and acts of child abuse yet he's being revered like some sort of hero.
Many extremely successful college (and professional) coaches cut corners, cheat, etc, and yet, are revered as heroes. Welcome to reality. Bill Walton has said that if the UCLA teams he played for were under the microscope as programs are today, UCLA would be in very, very, very big trouble. We're talking vacated titles.
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If so they would have charged him.
When it's all said and done Sandusky was no longer an employee, the Pennsylvania DA Roy Gricar screwed up from 1998-2005, and the press management of the situation was awful.
It will be a footnote in history.
Charges were filed against Senior vice president Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley. Charges should be filed against Penn State PResident Graham B. Spanier. Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation as noted in the Grand Jury report.
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We're not talking about recruiting violations or steroids or anything like that. It's not cheating or cutting corners it's child molestation that he turned a blind eye to and let happen. How is that in the same stratosphere as "cutting corners".
The crimes were not reported? FBS programs/schools throughout the country get away with criminal activity. Did you forget the student who died filming at Notre Dame because of Brian Kelly's negligence? How come the media didn't mob him?
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Because that was an accident, not one of his assistant coaches molesting over 10 children in Brian Kelly's locker room over the course of a decade. How does anyone actually defend this guy? Read the grand jury testimony.
I already read it. I am not going to get into message board debates over this issue. The man has passed on. What more do you want? Pretty stupid you'd still try to justify an "accident" when the winds were very strong and the student was fearing for his own life. If you or I were responsible for what Kelly did, we'd be in jail.
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Wikipedia has a dispassionate summary of the Joe Paterno's legal involvement.
>> Joe Paterno was not accused of legal wrongdoing by the grand jury, since he fulfilled his obligation to report the incident to his immediate supervisor, Curley, and he also reported it to Gary Schultz, who oversaw the campus police at the time.
However, he was harshly criticized for not reporting the incident to police, or at least seeing to it that it was reported. Several advocates for sexual abuse victims have called for charges to be brought against him for not contacting the police himself, despite the fact that he complied with the law by informing his superiors of the incident. <<
>> Joe Paterno was not accused of legal wrongdoing by the grand jury, since he fulfilled his obligation to report the incident to his immediate supervisor, Curley, and he also reported it to Gary Schultz, who oversaw the campus police at the time.
However, he was harshly criticized for not reporting the incident to police, or at least seeing to it that it was reported. Several advocates for sexual abuse victims have called for charges to be brought against him for not contacting the police himself, despite the fact that he complied with the law by informing his superiors of the incident. <<
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So he truly did the least he was obligated to do.
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Paterno (like a lot of people) deserves blame for what happened, but you have to be pretty stupid to consider him an accessory.
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I look at it like this: One of the worst scanadals in sports history happened under Joe Paterno's watch. He heard about it, did just enough to protect the reputation of the University and his friends, but did not put the well-being of children first. He did a lot of good, but he dropped the ball in a big time way. His legacy will be tarnished, and rightfully so. When you think of Joe Paterno, you will think of all the good he did for the University and football program, but then there will be that big "BUT" in the middle of your sentence, and you will think about the horrible things that happened to those children.
Yet still, this is a man who, as far as I can tell, wanted the best for everybody. In the end, it seemed like he wanted the best for his friend Jerry Sandusky, which might be a little twisted, but at the same time shows the loyalty, forgiveness, and compassion Joe Pa displayed for years at Penn State. At a man's biggest moment of weakness (death) we should all at least respect the good that this man has done. JMO.
Yet still, this is a man who, as far as I can tell, wanted the best for everybody. In the end, it seemed like he wanted the best for his friend Jerry Sandusky, which might be a little twisted, but at the same time shows the loyalty, forgiveness, and compassion Joe Pa displayed for years at Penn State. At a man's biggest moment of weakness (death) we should all at least respect the good that this man has done. JMO.
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Really! Most sincerely, dead.
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The DA was looking into Sandusky on other charges in 1998. That was known to everyone in the Penn State hierarchy above Paterno
>> After the mother of an eleven year old boy complained that Sandusky had showered with her son, the university police, to their credit, investigated. In fact, their report is 100 pages long. State police, commenting on the matter to New York Times reporters, noted that the university investigation was so serious that the Penn State police even set up a sting operation to try to capture a confession from Sandusky. All of this material was turned over to the District Attorney, who, in a close call, decided not to press charges. <<
Here's the tricky part: Penn State could be liable for charges by Sandusky if he isn't prosecuted and then fired on unsubstantiated charges. So what happens? A retirement. That should be the end of the discussion.
Except it doesnt' end there: Sandusky still has keys and does this charity thing and then has the nerve to get caught on campus and the information is forwarded to the same people who oversaw the last investigation that led nowhere. They decide the DA is a waste of time and ask for Sandusky's keys and claim to inform the charity. The Charity claims otherwise and the head, Jack Raykovitz. steps down in 2008 after Sandusky is charged. Jack Raykovitz works side-by-side with Sandusky for 30 years and claims he didn't know.
After retiring Sandusky was there on the good graces of Penn State and the Athletic Department. Not Joe Paterno.
History will give Paterno a pass on this in a squeaker
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