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A bad foul call against Xavier taking out Jones and the game has changed. Xavier only up 4 with under 4 to go.
 
3rdbass said:
A bad foul call against Xavier taking out Jones and the game has changed. Xavier only up 4 with under 4 to go.
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I can't decide what a better outcome for us is. On one side, we want Xavier knocked off the bubble and to lose, but on the flip side, if they win, we most likely retain a Q1 win against them, and you would think the big east is closer to a lock for 4 teams, and maybe even 5 to get in the tournament.
 
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Xavier winning is fine. We should still be ahead of them and may help our metrics. Big East should be a 5 bid league imo.

Bubble teams like VCU and Boise St losing today help the BE as well.
 
RayRay said:
I can't decide what a better outcome for us is. On one side, we want Xavier knocked off the bubble and to lose, but on the flip side, if they win, we most likely retain a Q1 win against them, and you would think the big east is closer to a lock for 4 teams, and maybe even 5 to get in the tournament.
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Yeah, It does keep us a quad 1 win and I think the Big East gets in five which we should be fine. Xavier is the only big east team we beat with a winning record. LOL!
 
I’ve been looking through all the updated bracketologys this morning, and all the ones that are updated through today seem to have us between an 8-10 seed, with a couple 11s sprinkled in there. We are in a good spot and can certainly play our way up to a 6-7 seed if we take care of business these next 2 and get to the championship game in the conf tourney.
 
RayRay said:
I’ve been looking through all the updated bracketologys this morning, and all the ones that are updated through today seem to have us between an 8-10 seed, with a couple 11s sprinkled in there. We are in a good spot and can certainly play our way up to a 6-7 seed if we take care of business these next 2 and get to the championship game in the conf tourney.
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There's a good web site that does all that work for you.

 
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businesslawyer said:
If you are resuscitated did you drown?
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If you see someone out in the ocean and they're calling for help and struggling to stay above water, you wouldn't say "Somebody help, they're in danger of drowning!" You would just say they're drowning.
 
Rico444 said:
If you see someone out in the ocean and they're calling for help and struggling to stay above water, you wouldn't say "Somebody help, they're in danger of drowning!" You would just say they're drowning.
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This is not arguable. If you didn't die, you didn't drown.
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nycscooby said:
BE is obviously a huge inprovement over AAC but it is not P5 (and most of these pundits seem to think this has been a down year for the conference - - I think 8th in conference RPI currently) and the whole system favors the P5 schools unsurprisingly.

Look at Maryland’s resume. They are currently 8th in the conference at 14-10 (8-9) yet I think Lunardi has them as an 8 seed. Their quality wins are all in the B10 and they are 4-5 on the road. But, when you start the season with 6 or 7 teams from your conference ranked and you beat them that is automatically a quality win and when they beat each other none of them really fall in the NET rankings. I am not saying that a sweep of Iowa isn’t impressive or that Maryland isn’t one of the best 30+ at large teams out there but they have an advantage with the preseason rankings.

it really comes down to how many bids you think our conference gets? I worry that we lost the 5th bid to an 8th bid to a P5 conference. At 4 NBE teams, we are right there but we could miss out.
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Bingo. You understand it exactly. It is what I’ve been saying about the NBE and the various ranking systems that are self reinforcing. I think the NBE will probably get 4 bids. Villanova will get a 2 or at worst a 3. Creighton probably 4. The other 2 will be filler bids. 8-12 range. If we get an 11 play-in ugh. THAT is the ultimate humiliation for a program that considers itself a major. Almost worse than getting an NIT bid.
 
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Rico444 said:
The exact Webster's dictionary definition and how the word is used colloquially are two different things.
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I think here he's right about drowning. "I was drowning" means something more like "I was in the process of dying by suffocation by water, but then I was saved."

But I never like dictionary definitions as means to settle arguments because they are by nature descriptive and not prescriptive and therefore can never quite capture usage as it updates in real time.

But...yeah, I think even in common parlance people have to die to have actually drowned.
 
tzznandrew said:
I'd rather be projected onto the 8 line with 2 games and the BET to go than the 11.

On Selection Sunday? That's a different story.
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Agreed, at this point I think we should be shooting for the 6 seed. Gets us on the "soft" side of the region (away from the 1's) and is a spot that traditionally competes well against the 3's when they matchup.

I don't think its unreasonable to land there if we win the BET. The bad part about the 6 spot is that it may draw an 11 who played in the first 4. Ever since they started that at least one of those teams who gets the jitters out first makes a S16 run.
 
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tzznandrew said:
I'd rather be projected onto the 8 line with 2 games and the BET to go than the 11.

On Selection Sunday? That's a different story.
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I'm talking end result, not some this is where we are today so where will we be on selection sunday prediction. Obviously we'd like to get a higher seed than 8 but if it's between 8 and 11, I like 11, this year.
 
Kolumbo said:
I'm talking end result, not some this is where we are today so where will we be on selection sunday prediction. Obviously we'd like to get a higher seed than 8 but if it's between 8 and 11, I like 11, this year.
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I mean, we fundamentally agree that you'd rather be an 11 than an 8. It's just that these projections are all "if the season ended today." They aren't imagining future results. So if I'm lookin at a Palm or a Lunardi projection, I know the team has the opportunity to improve by winning, and "season ends now and you're an 8" is better than "season ends now and you're an 11."

But end result, we agree here.
 
tzznandrew said:
I think here he's right about drowning. "I was drowning" means something more like "I was in the process of dying by suffocation by water, but then I was saved."

But I never like dictionary definitions as means to settle arguments because they are by nature descriptive and not prescriptive and therefore can never quite capture usage as it updates in real time.

But...yeah, I think even in common parlance people have to die to have actually drowned.
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This is silly, but as some may have noticed, I love these stupid arguments.

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Let's be specific about the argument. @Greathusky said he would drown himself in hot sauce and then do something that one would need to be alive to do. @businesslawyer pointed out that if one drowns, he or she is dead.

Sure, the original use of the word was figurative, and the discussion branched off in a few different directions. My only point is that the word "drown" necessarily involves dying. It can mean figurative death, like drowning one's sorrows in alcohol, to "kill" the sorrows. It can also mean potential death, like when a person who ends up surviving is described as drowning. The person who uses that word in that situation is doing so to indicate that the victim is at risk of dying.
 
Kolumbo said:
drown - be overwhelmed by a large amount of something.
"both business and household sectors are drowning in debt"
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Get a Job said:
This is silly, but as some may have noticed, I love these stupid arguments.

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Let's be specific about the argument. @Greathusky said he would drown himself in hot sauce and then do something that one would need to be alive to do. @businesslawyer pointed out that if one drowns, he or she is dead.

Sure, the original use of the word was figurative, and the discussion branched off in a few different directions. My only point is that the word "drown" necessarily involves dying. It can mean figurative death, like drowning one's sorrows in alcohol, to "kill" the sorrows. It can also mean potential death, like when a person who ends up surviving is described as drowning. The person who uses that word in that situation is doing so to indicate that the victim is at risk of dying.
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TZZAndrew, who I think is a great poster, actually said he doesn't like using dictionary definitions to settle arguments. As if the alternative to using dictionary definitions isn't just to fight about what individuals think the word should mean.
 
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