Jerome Dyson to the NBA

[Bezzz]

 

[Prezidint]

UConn was 23-1 with Dyson in 2009 and #1 in the country.
They were 8-4 without him.

We've done this before.
The 4 losses were, IIRC:
Excellent Pitt team twice, Syracuse 6 OT, and FF.
He only makes a difference in the 6OT game for manpower alone. We don't beat Pitt that year with JD.
Stan's stats shot up the moment Dyson went out. Stan's input more than made up for JD being out, and was a big part of getting to the FF.
Rewatch the FF game - Mr. TO makes the margin of loss bigger, not smaller.
We were 23 and 1 DESPITE him in the lineup, not because of him.
And BTW, the 1 loss was a miserable loss to georgetown where Mr. Ball Hog went 1 for 15 or some god awful thing, and the 8 wins we had without him were better quality wins than we had with him in any case (and no awful losses like GTown).
It's a myth that he was an important part of that team. He was along for the ride, and his poor shooting and turnovers were covered up by the play of the rest of the team.
What's not a myth is that JC loved him because JC was blinded by JD's constant motor on the court, which he no doubt had. But his play was destructive, as his record shows in the other years, when he didn't have a prime AJ to cover for him.
Given that we had several guys with motivation issues all around JD, it's not hard to see why JD became JC's pet. JC's big on constant effort, and that was Dyson's strength. I'd argue his only strength.
That's why a huge talent like Stan played 1 minute against Louisville that year - JC hated the fact that he could never get 100% out of Stan.
So Dyson got full minutes, having never broken the golden JC rule.
Oh yeah. Until the end, when he sold out in his last few games and completely gave up on the team. Remember?

 

[Walker11]

What a strange and unnecessary use of the word transmogrification.

 

[Huskybass]

Huge congrats to Jerome. Making the league as an undrafted free agent is no small accomplishment.

From an athleticism and toughness standpoint, Jerome is certainly an NBA level talent. By all appearances, he has become a much better defender. I really hope he sticks and gets a full contract for next season.

 

[johnhuskies95]

We've done this before.
The 4 losses were, IIRC:
Excellent Pitt team twice, Syracuse 6 OT, and FF.
He only makes a difference in the 6OT game for manpower alone. We don't beat Pitt that year with JD.
Stan's stats shot up the moment Dyson went out. Stan's input more than made up for JD being out, and was a big part of getting to the FF.
Rewatch the FF game - Mr. TO makes the margin of loss bigger, not smaller.
We were 23 and 1 DESPITE him in the lineup, not because of him.
And BTW, the 1 loss was a miserable loss to georgetown where Mr. Ball Hog went 1 for 15 or some god awful thing, and the 8 wins we had without him were better quality wins than we had with him in any case (and no awful losses like GTown).
It's a myth that he was an important part of that team. He was along for the ride, and his poor shooting and turnovers were covered up by the play of the rest of the team.
What's not a myth is that JC loved him because JC was blinded by JD's constant motor on the court, which he no doubt had. But his play was destructive, as his record shows in the other years, when he didn't have a prime AJ to cover for him.
Given that we had several guys with motivation issues all around JD, it's not hard to see why JD became JC's pet. JC's big on constant effort, and that was Dyson's strength. I'd argue his only strength.
That's why a huge talent like Stan played 1 minute against Louisville that year - JC hated the fact that he could never get 100% out of Stan.
So Dyson got full minutes, having never broken the golden JC rule.
Oh yeah. Until the end, when he sold out in his last few games and completely gave up on the team. Remember?

If you want to play that game, then let's have it both ways:

-UConn doesn't beat Gonzaga that year without Dyson. 21 points on 5-12 shooting, with 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 steals. Who got the rebound and then passed it to AJ who hit the game tying shot? Jerome Dyson.

-UConn doesn't beat Mchigan that year without him. 19 points on 6-13 shooting, including 3-4 from 3 to go along with 4 rebound and 4 steals. Manny Harris, the guard from Michigan who was first team all Big 10 that year and 2nd in the league in scoring? Jerome held him to 5-16 shooting.

-UConn doesn't beat Villanova without Dyson. 19 points on 6-11 shooting with 4 rebounds and 3 steals.

And those are only the games that were close. In the 24 games with Dyson, UConn won 15 games by double digits. In the 12 without him, they won 5 by double digits. Yes, the competition was easier in the beginning of the year, but UConn won 8 games against ranked teams with him.

You're also significantly undervaluing his defense. He always guarded the other team's best perimeter scorer, and almost always shut the guy down.

You have let your irrational hatred for a former college athlete impair your thinking.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

We were 23 and 1

The only FACT in that unbearable rant was that we were 23-1 and #1 in the country with Jerome. Everything else is pure speculation on your part.

NBA executives - not random message board users - say he's good enough for a shot.

Seems like you're the only one that's blinded here.

 

[7774]

We've done this before.
The 4 losses were, IIRC:
Excellent Pitt team twice, Syracuse 6 OT, and FF.
He only makes a difference in the 6OT game for manpower alone. We don't beat Pitt that year with JD.
Stan's stats shot up the moment Dyson went out. Stan's input more than made up for JD being out, and was a big part of getting to the FF.
Rewatch the FF game - Mr. TO makes the margin of loss bigger, not smaller.
We were 23 and 1 DESPITE him in the lineup, not because of him.
And BTW, the 1 loss was a miserable loss to georgetown where Mr. Ball Hog went 1 for 15 or some god awful thing, and the 8 wins we had without him were better quality wins than we had with him in any case (and no awful losses like GTown).
It's a myth that he was an important part of that team. He was along for the ride, and his poor shooting and turnovers were covered up by the play of the rest of the team.
What's not a myth is that JC loved him because JC was blinded by JD's constant motor on the court, which he no doubt had. But his play was destructive, as his record shows in the other years, when he didn't have a prime AJ to cover for him.
Given that we had several guys with motivation issues all around JD, it's not hard to see why JD became JC's pet. JC's big on constant effort, and that was Dyson's strength. I'd argue his only strength.
That's why a huge talent like Stan played 1 minute against Louisville that year - JC hated the fact that he could never get 100% out of Stan.
So Dyson got full minutes, having never broken the golden JC rule.
Oh yeah. Until the end, when he sold out in his last few games and completely gave up on the team. Remember?

It's weird how you think your opinions are facts.

 

[Gurleyman]

We also won big at Louisville with Dyson (Louisville was a one seed) and beat up on Wisconsin to win the tourney in St. Thomas. It wasn't the best Wisconsin team ever assembled, but they made the second round of the NCAA and Bo Ryan's team can be a bitch to play sometimes. Dyson was hands down the best player on the floor in that one - and there wasn't a close second.

If you actually go back and watch the Michigan State game, you'll observe that MSU had a Ricky-type defensive specialist named Travis Walton (I had to look up his name) who they put on AJ and he made AJ's life miserable (5-20 from floor, one assist). Kemba had a case of freshmanitis and even admitted he was overwhelmed by the moment, and Austrie was Austrie (4 FG attempts in 36 minutes). Meanwhile, Kailin Lucas was the best guard in the game, and we had a hard time covering him.

I sat there watching that game wishing Missouri Kemba would come back, or wishing we had another scoring option in the backcourt to take some of the pressure off AJ because he was trying to take on a guy who's only role was to stop him and the guy was every bit the defensive stopper that was advertised. Robinson only had six shot attempts (a couple on follow-up dunks) so he wasn't involved in the offense, and it sure wasn't Dyson's fault -- since he was in a suit.

 

[Prezidint]

If you want to play that game, then let's have it both ways:

-UConn doesn't beat . . .

Some very good points to be sure. Your numbers leave out Turnovers, momentum killing bonehead plays, and inopportune fouls, of course, but point taken.
The problem is we can never swap out Dyson for other players and see what the effect would have been. Except for after he got hurt, at which point Stan took off, put up great numbers and much better than previously, and was a substantial part of the run to the FF. We didn't miss a beat after Jerome went down. In fact, we were better.
Stan put up 15 points and 13 boards on 5 of 6 shooting, 4 for 4 from the line, and 1 for 1 from 3 against Michigan State - no way, no how is anybody going to convince me that having Dyson take those minutes gives us a better result. He played about 15 more minutes a game after Dyson went down. His success was directly attributable to 2 things - 1. He was getting Dyson's minutes and Calhoun couldn't hook him for his preferred pet, 2. His game wasn't being stiffled by Dyson's ball hogging, energy vampire style.

Fun to argue about this.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Look - the team had great games with Dyson and great games with Stanley. Both had their ups and downs though.

I don't understand why it has to be so black and white.

Here's a thought - maybe when Dyson went down it coincided with Stanley rounding back into basketball shape after missing the first part of the season. It's not like he immediately took off as soon as JD went down. Don't paint that picture - it's not true.

Here's an even crazier though - maybe with a healthy Dyson taking more of Austrie's minutes - not Stanley's minutes - the final product could have beat Michigan State and maybe UNC.

Thing is - we'll never know. The only fact is that we we're 23-1 and #1 when Dyson went down.

Jerome made the NBA - someone out there doesn't think he is a basketball 'loser'. Just give the guy credit and move on.

 

[boba]

It's weird how you think your opinions are facts.

I am tempted to write an ode to the programmer that coded the ignore function. Not only does it allow me to avoid the blithering idiot that is Frank Ivy, but it also blocks out said blithering when others reply to or quote it. All I see it blanks and replies from those willing to interact with this mentally incompetent Dunning Kruger case study.
I must admit I admire you people. You remind me of those who work in nursing homes. People who are willing to clean the patients to whom they have no personal attachment. You change his soiled Depends undergarment in an effort to help him maintain some sibilance of dignity, and his response is to fling that excrement across the room. It's hopeless, the future will not bring understanding nor sanity; the end result will always be fecal matter splattered about the room. And yet you willingly take on the Sisyphean task that is educating Frank Ivy. God speed, fair warriors, god speed.

 

[Gurleyman]

I learned one truism from this thread that we should all agree on - boba needs to post more. A lot more.

 

[johnhuskies95]

We didn't miss a beat after Jerome went down. In fact, we were better.

How can you even argue that?

Also, Dyson only averaged 2 turnovers a game in 09. AJ averaged more turnovers than him.

I think you're letting the second half of Dyson's 2010 season cloud your judgement. I think everyone here can agree didn't play well in the back half of 2010. But that doesn't mean the rest of his career was like that.

 

[Gurleyman]

How many regular season games have we played in our history that were better or more satisfying than punking a 1 seed on the road the way we did Louisville? Take home wins out of the equation (everybody plays their A game at home once in a while with the crowd behind them). What have you got? Michigan State (#2 at the time) and Kentucky in Maui last year would be up there, even if the MSU win didn't hold up as the season went on. Arizona in overtime in 2002 for drama and statement effect (also Emeka and Ben's coming out party). There's Stanford in 1999 without Rip, or at St. John's in 1999 with Rip. Maybe at Virginia in 1993 for sheer dominance. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple, but it's a short list.

That Louisville game was two games before Dyson got hurt - the Georgetown loss was a distant memory and we were clearly a team clicking on all cylinders.

 

[babysheep]

I wonder if other forums are like this. Like if in three years on the Cuse boards there will be a thread about Scoop Jardine finally getting a shot at the NBA and some person comes in and just has nothing but negative things to say about and no good wishes for that player.

 

[Chin Diesel]

20+ minutes of PT today off the bench. And the Hornets won. Who knows, maybe he'll be the next Tebow.

A couple of points, 5 assists, and a +7 for the game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012041103

 

[Prezidint]

you willingly take on the Sisyphean task that is educating Frank Ivy. God speed, fair warriors, god speed.

Looks like we got us an English major here boys.
Are they allowing Internet posting now for Gap employees?

 

[Prezidint]

A couple of points, 5 assists, and a +7 for the game.

Last post for me on the Dyson thread, so you all can continue the nut hugging and end the syphillisian task of educating me to the level of the English major -
you left out 1 of 5 from the field, 0 of 1 from 3, and 1 of 3 from the free throw line. Not THAT'S the Dyson we know and love!

 

[Gurleyman]

It isn't nut hugging to actually root for our players to succeed. What you're doing, I don't know what the right verb would be. ging? I thought Marcus Williams was a complete turd, but still hoped he would do ok at the next level.

 

[Lefty2one]

Dyson's game and personality/makeup are meant to be a complimentary player (a darn good one) but not a team's best player or a leader. He was at his best in '08-09 when he could be an important contributing piece to a FF team but he was still our 4th best/most important player.

That's part of why '09-10 was such a mess IMO. Now you have entire defenses with a primary focus of stopping Dyson and clogging the lane. Life is a lot harder (ask Lamb) when you have the target on your back. He didn't have that to worry about his first three years in Storrs but he did his fourth. He didn't know how to handle it and quite frankly wasn't a good enough player to be an efficient scorer facing that type of heat from opposing defenses. That being said, not many players are.

 

[stick]

It's pretty amazing the hate by a few (really dumb) fans of a kid who played as hard as anyone. The dude came back in a game where he lost teeth. I guarantee the critics would be taking a few days off work if that happened. Dyson wasn't a perfect player, but he would have had a much better senior year if the team had at least one more perimeter shooting option.