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TheFarmFan said:
Agree with you on all fronts except that I personally think a UNC degree is at least as, if not more, valuable than a Vandi one. Where's @triaddukefan to back me up here? ;)

I won't touch the Betts debate because as others said, she already signed with Stanford so it's not germane to this thread, but I do like what I'm reading!

As for recruiting generally, UConn will keep recruiting top players as long as Geno is coach. No one better prepares his/her players for the W than Geno. That might not be a selling point for all Top 100 recruits, but it has to be for any Top 30ish recruits. Pheesa, Dangerfield, and Nurse are all examples of players who far exceeded their expectations as recruits by the time they hit the pros.
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I'm curious as to why you think the U.N.C. degree is preferable to the Vandy degree. There are lots of different measures, but U.S. News ranks Vandy #14 and UNC #28.
 
Ciera Toomey's game with Dunmore was cancelled tonight. I'm thinking we're going to see a lot of that at the HS level in the coming weeks.
 
Ayanna Patterson tested positive for Covid on Sunday and will be some games including Tuesday's.
 
jchuskie said:
I thought Betts could have been named the MVP, it was close between her and Citron.
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Cbs No GIF by HULU
 
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MilfordHusky said:
I'm curious as to why you think the U.N.C. degree is preferable to the Vandy degree. There are lots of different measures, but U.S. News ranks Vandy #14 and UNC #28.
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Possibly anecdotal to my own life experiences, but I've come across a number of really impressive UNC grads in a way I haven't come across Vandy ones, and my sense is that in general UNC feeds more of its undergrads into top grad programs, and, if one wants to take it seriously, the education there can be more rigorous. (Admittedly, most of the folks I have in mind were Morehead-Cain scholars, so it's possible I'm only thinking about a smaller subset. Still, that group has a pretty impressive set of alumni.)

Of course, the academics scandals from the late 00's suggest that perhaps UNC can be a very different experience depending on how one directs their energy...

ETA: again, possibly selecting for a small subset, but it appears UNC has something like twice as many Rhodes Scholars as Vandy. Those are small numbers, of course, but my sense is most people judge a university brand by its most notable outputs - for the same reason that, for example, Elizabeth Holmes' single year at Stanford has nonetheless tarred us with the sins of her fraud.
 
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Schools that close in range are essentially interchangeable, and the differences are for the most part within the quality of individual programs. One big difference is that Vandy is private right? If you judge schools by net cost at all that is a huge factor. Some private colleges now are essentially free for normal applicants ( Harvard, Stanford ... ) but I doubt Vandy is in that category.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Possibly anecdotal to my own life experiences, but I've come across a number of really impressive UNC grads in a way I haven't come across Vandy ones, and my sense is that in general UNC feeds more of its undergrads into top grad programs, and, if one wants to take it seriously, the education there can be more rigorous. (Admittedly, most of the folks I have in mind were Morehead-Cain scholars, so it's possible I'm only thinking about a smaller subset. Still, that group has a pretty impressive set of alumni.)

Of course, the academics scandals from the late 00's suggest that perhaps UNC can be a very different experience depending on how one directs their energy...

ETA: again, possibly selecting for a small subset, but it appears UNC has something like twice as many Rhodes Scholars as Vandy. Those are small numbers, of course, but my sense is most people judge a university brand by its most notable outputs - for the same reason that, for example, Elizabeth Holmes' single year at Stanford has nonetheless tarred us with the sins of her fraud.
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I think UNC is almost three times the size of Vandy so I'm not sure your Rhodes Scholar reasoning is going to help.........I've always thought of Vanderbilt as the most prestigious school in the South perhaps outside of Duke but as a graduate of a lowly Ivy what do I know........
 
TeamFirst! said:
Schools that close in range are essentially interchangeable, and the differences are for the most part within the quality of individual programs. One big difference is that Vandy is private right? If you judge schools by net cost at all that is a huge factor. Some private colleges now are essentially free for normal applicants ( Harvard, Stanford ... ) but I doubt Vandy is in that category.
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You can also take into account separate colleges within the university. My youngest daughter looked at Vandy and we both noted how much emphasis was put on two undergrad colleges: Education and Human Development; and, the School of Engineering. (My wife, who has a grad degree from Teacher's College of Columbia, grudgingly admitted Vandy is top notch in education. ;) )

So, sometimes the boost comes from specific areas.
 
Dillon77 said:
You can also take into account separate colleges within the university. My youngest daughter looked at Vandy and we both noted how much emphasis was put on two undergrad colleges: Education and Human Development; and, the School of Engineering. (My wife, who has a grad degree from Teacher's College of Columbia, grudgingly admitted Vandy is top notch in education. ;) )

So, sometimes the boost comes from specific areas.
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Agree that you need to look at specific acedemic programs to have a factual basis to compare colleges. Many other topics to consider sucy as total cost, student experience, and ability to get into appropriate grad school (if important for career goals). If one wants to generalize, I usually look at average salary 10 years after graduation. Vandy leads with $83K; UNC is at $69K.
 
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Charliebball said:
I think UNC is almost three times the size of Vandy so I'm not sure your Rhodes Scholar reasoning is going to help.........I've always thought of Vanderbilt as the most prestigious school in the South perhaps outside of Duke but as a graduate of a lowly Ivy what do I know........
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Sure, Vandy's a great school but "most prestigious" in the South? One can argue that it's not even the best school in the state of TN ;)

The little liberal arts school by the name of Sewanee: The University of the South (just 1.5 hrs south of Nashville) has also produced 26 Rhodes Scholars (same as Vandy). And their enrollment these days is around 1,600 students.

But in all seriousness, college rankings and prestige can be fun to debate but mean very little to me. Then again, I'm also NOT a hiring manager for a fortune 500 company haha. I'm much more interested in your moral character than a degree on a wall ;)

Yea Sewanee's Right (YSR)! c/o '04 :rolleyes:




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TheFarmFan said:
Possibly anecdotal to my own life experiences, but I've come across a number of really impressive UNC grads in a way I haven't come across Vandy ones, and my sense is that in general UNC feeds more of its undergrads into top grad programs, and, if one wants to take it seriously, the education there can be more rigorous. (Admittedly, most of the folks I have in mind were Morehead-Cain scholars, so it's possible I'm only thinking about a smaller subset. Still, that group has a pretty impressive set of alumni.)

Of course, the academics scandals from the late 00's suggest that perhaps UNC can be a very different experience depending on how one directs their energy...

ETA: again, possibly selecting for a small subset, but it appears UNC has something like twice as many Rhodes Scholars as Vandy. Those are small numbers, of course, but my sense is most people judge a university brand by its most notable outputs - for the same reason that, for example, Elizabeth Holmes' single year at Stanford has nonetheless tarred us with the sins of her fraud.
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Thanks. My personal experience has been limited, but the alums I know seem roughly comparable, with Vandy probably having a slight edge. The UNC scandal didn't help their image.

My impression has alway been that the best major universities in the lower half of the country east of California have been Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, and, to edge farther north, Washington U. in St. Louis.
 

21. Nooksack Valley 6-2 (1A)​

With so many high-level point guards roaming Washington basketball, none have more upside than PG Devin Coppinger, whose ability to control things with her strength reminds some of ex-Cashmere star Hailey Van Lith.
 
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Hey Sluconn and Coco, there is a freshman guard here in St. Louis who is rated the number one freshman in the state by Missouri Girls Hoops and the number 18 ranked player in the country in the class of 2025 by Prep Girls Hoops. She has interest from over a dozen D1 schools. Her name is Jordan Speiser, and she is averaging 25 points per game. At 14 years old she is a 6-foot-1 wing. Have either of you or any other BYer heard anything about her?
 
donalddoowop said:
Hey Sluconn and Coco, there is a freshman guard here in St. Louis who is rated the number one freshman in the state by Missouri Girls Hoops and the number 18 ranked player in the country in the class of 2025 by Prep Girls Hoops. She has interest from over a dozen D1 schools. Her name is Jordan Speiser, and she is averaging 25 points per game. At 14 years old she is a 6-foot-1 wing. Have either of you or any other BYer heard anything about her?
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I had not heard of her until now but she is being tracked by Blue Star 30 since 2020 when she was in 8th grade.
Very capable in this brief clip here.

 
CocoHusky said:
I had not heard of her until now but she is being tracked by Blue Star 30 since 2020 when she was in 8th grade.
Very capable in this brief clip here.

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Thanks Coco.
 
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donalddoowop said:
Hey Sluconn and Coco, there is a freshman guard here in St. Louis.....Have either of you or any other BYer heard anything about her?
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I haven't paid real close attention to St. Louis high school hoops since Napheesa was there, so I can't tell you much of anything.
 
Dillon77 said:
You can also take into account separate colleges within the university. My youngest daughter looked at Vandy and we both noted how much emphasis was put on two undergrad colleges: Education and Human Development; and, the School of Engineering. (My wife, who has a grad degree from Teacher's College of Columbia, grudgingly admitted Vandy is top notch in education. ;) )

So, sometimes the boost comes from specific areas.
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Yup!
 
Sluconn Husky said:
1/4

Olivia Anderson: 15 points; recently returned from injury

Olivia Olson: 32 points

Mikaylah Williams: 26 points


12/30

Olivia Olson: 24 points, 7 rebounds

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Visitation? Do they play in the same conference as Interment? :cool:
 
This is a little OT concerning schools, but 2 of my kids went to Stony Brook because UConn didn't have the marine science program that they were looking for. Stony Brook is very well respected in marine science. FWIW, the out of state cost for Stony Brook was about the same, or a little less, than the in state rate for UConn.

When I was in management for a major fortune 500 company my priorities were:

1. the technical background that I was looking for.
2. for college applicants, their GPA
3. background experience / activities
4. and a fairly distant 4th, what school they went to

My experience was that you could get very good or very mediocre employees from obscure, small state colleges or from prestigious ivy league schools. The school didn't matter as far as I was concerned. You know, it depends on the person.
 
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