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RuffRuff said:
Is it wrong on a CBB thread to recognize another team is good? Lol. They look better dramatically than us right now. That can change.
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It is not wrong to recognize Arizona is good. You are however wrong in the gap you keep describing between UConn and Michigan/Arizona
 
navery12 said:
It is not wrong to recognize Arizona is good. You are however wrong in the gap you keep describing between UConn and Michigan/Arizona
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I didn't go into a gap, I just said that Arizona is a better team than us right now.
 
navery12 said:
Correct, I think you're wrong about that. We would win that game now that we're fully healthy
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Not sure what gives you that impression given our recent play, and their recent play. We'd be underdogs.
 
RuffRuff said:
Not sure what gives you that impression given our recent play, and their recent play. We'd be underdogs.
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Same reason I don't think Michigan or any other team going through a January rough stretch suddenly sucks and isn't a contender. We've already proven it against every top team we've played this year. When Arizona inevitably has a couple of losses or close wins before the end of the season I won't view it as an indictment of their chances in March
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
This was you talking about Michigan a couple weeks ago and it’ll be somebody else a few weeks from now.
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He totally threw Michigan under the bus when his dreams of them going undefeated vanished, now he's comparing Arizona a team we clearly would've already beaten if healthy to the '24 UConn team.

"They look better dramatically than us right now"

Once Arizona loses some games I predict Houston will be his team that makes UConn look like cr@p.
 
superjohn said:
He totally threw Michigan under the bus when his dreams of them going undefeated vanished, now he's comparing Arizona a team we clearly would've already beaten if healthy to the '24 UConn team.

"They look better dramatically than us right now"

Once Arizona loses some games I predict Houston will be his team that makes UConn look like cr@p.
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Yet you think we'll beat anyone. It's delusional. I'm pretty much stating what a neutral observer would see.
 
RuffRuff said:
Yet you think we'll beat anyone. It's delusional. I'm pretty much stating what a neutral observer would see.
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I've been watching your take and don't watch all the teams other than UConn and some BE that often. So I can keep an eye on teams would be helpful if you could give a % chance of winning NC by top teams vs. field. By that I mean, which teams (could be only a few) would you take against the field and what are their chances of winning. Example:

Arizona 15%
Michigan 15%
Duke 10%
UConn 5%
Houston 5%

total 50% chance winner comes from these 5.
 
RuffRuff said:
Not sure what gives you that impression given our recent play, and their recent play. We'd be underdogs.
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They almost got taken out at home by ASU, who is their version of Georgetown or Marquette. I think it’s a fair impression to say UConn at present is better than Arizona. Though either team could win the hypothetical head-to-head, obviously.
 
I was talking to an enthusiastic UConn hater last night, and thank God we got Purdue in the final in 2024 because he loves to crap on the 2023 run and title vs. SDSU being against overall weak competition (kind of a fair argument, albeit based entirely on being a hater). I remember during the run in 2024 truly hoping for a Purdue/UConn final because, while it would have been devastating to lose, it would (and did) make for the greatest ending to the story if we won.
 
thekollieman said:
I was talking to an enthusiastic UConn hater last night, and thank God we got Purdue in the final in 2024 because he loves to crap on the 2023 run and title vs. SDSU being against overall weak competition (kind of a fair argument, albeit based entirely on being a hater). I remember during the run in 2024 truly hoping for a Purdue/UConn final because, while it would have been devastating to lose, it would (and did) make for the greatest ending to the story if we won.
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Say what you want about the 2023 run because yes, it was a weak field. We absolutely schredded that field.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Say what you want about the 2023 run because yes, it was a weak field. We absolutely schredded that field.
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Exactly. I don’t bother myself making the case against the hater’s argument, and he’s a friend just having fun going against the grain in CT, but that team was on a massive heater and by the time they scorched Gonzaga by 30, I felt it was pretty clear they would’ve won against anyone in the FF.

Edit: I just appreciate it, for what it’s worth, that even the hater has no choice but to admit how good the 2024 team was.
 
thekollieman said:
Exactly. I don’t bother myself making the case against the hater’s argument, and he’s a friend just having fun going against the grain in CT, but that team was on a massive heater and by the time they scorched Gonzaga by 30, I felt it was pretty clear they would’ve won against anyone in the FF.

Edit: I just appreciate it, for what it’s worth, that even the hater has no choice but to admit how good the 2024 team was.
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We beat a Zags team that beat two seed UCLA, and beat an Arkansas team that beat up number one Kansas. Miami was actually a very good team that year as well. It wasn't a great field as number one overall Bama was one of the weaker 1's I can remember, but you can only beat who's in front of you.
 
end of the line for B. Hurley at ASU, I thought they had a chance to be better when I watched them earlier in the season but they've crashed hard since then



 
RuffRuff said:
They’re not 2024. They’re just consistent and do the little things really well. And have a 5th gear.
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The one question I have about Arizona is that 2 of their starters are freshmen. And they're the team's first and second leading scorers. I just don't like being that reliant on freshmen when you get to the NCAA Tournament. I do like Bradley, a seasoned veteran, as their PG. I know we have 1 freshman starting (and he's our 4th leading scorer although that will probably change) but that's half as many as Arizona. We'll see.
 
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HooperScooper said:
The one question I have about Arizona is that 2 of their starters are freshmen. And they're the team's first and second leading scorers. I just don't like being that reliant on freshmen when you get to the NCAA Tournament. I do like Bradley, a seasoned veteran, as their PG. I know we have 1 freshman starting (and he's our 4th leading scorer although that will probably change) but that's half as many as Arizona. We'll see.
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3 of their starters. Burries, Kharchenkov, and Peat.

But Burries is 20 (like Karaban was his RS freshman year) and while Kharchenkov is only 19, he played 60+ games of pro basketball last season in Germany. Peat is a lottery pick.

In general, I like to be veteran at point guard and center to captain the offense and defense, respectively, and they are. It's fine for me if your wings and forwards are young.
 
auror said:
3 of their starters. Burries, Kharchenkov, and Peat.

But Burries is 20 (like Karaban was his RS freshman year) and while Kharchenkov is only 19, he played 60+ games of pro basketball last season in Germany. Peat is a lottery pick.

In general, I like to be veteran at point guard and center to captain the offense and defense, respectively, and they are. It's fine for me if your wings and forwards are young.
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Burries is 20 and Peat is built like he's 25. I'm not sure I've seen a physique like that guy in a while. Peat is a lotto pick, Burries a first rounder.

Duke is being lead by a frosh. BYU. Our top scorer by end of year should be a frosh. UNC, Louisville, etc.

The Nate Ament drop has been interesting to watch. Size/skill hasn't translated as well as presumed as he's a bit slow & soft.
 
Husky68 said:
I've been watching your take and don't watch all the teams other than UConn and some BE that often. So I can keep an eye on teams would be helpful if you could give a % chance of winning NC by top teams vs. field. By that I mean, which teams (could be only a few) would you take against the field and what are their chances of winning. Example:

Arizona 15%
Michigan 15%
Duke 10%
UConn 5%
Houston 5%

total 50% chance winner comes from these 5.
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I think that take is right. I'd expect the winner to come out of those 5 as well. I'd say the other 50% is made up of:

Purdue
BYU
Florida
Kansas
Iowa St

Not sure I'm feeling the Zags or Nebraska.
 
RuffRuff said:
Burries is 20 and Peat is built like he's 25. I'm not sure I've seen a physique like that guy in a while. Peat is a lotto pick, Burries a first rounder.

Duke is being lead by a frosh. BYU. Our top scorer by end of year should be a frosh. UNC, Louisville, etc.
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I'm more worried about college experience rather than their age, body type, how high they'll be drafted, etc.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Burries is 20 and Peat is built like he's 25. I'm not sure I've seen a physique like that guy in a while. Peat is a lotto pick, Burries a first rounder.

Duke is being lead by a frosh. BYU. Our top scorer by end of year should be a frosh. UNC, Louisville, etc.

The Nate Ament drop has been interesting to watch. Size/skill hasn't translated as well as presumed as he's a bit slow & soft.
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Ament’s game has always been more potential than production it seems.

He has the talent. Seems like his decision to go to Tennesse was all about getting a bag and getting up as many reps as possible before the draft. He couldn't have came here. Or most programs with any sort of winning structure.
 
RuffRuff said:
I always say that by March, they're already sophomores.
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This was Calhoun’s philosophy on getting freshman a lot of playing time early on.

Wanted to make sure they were sophomores by March.
 
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RuffRuff said:
I think that take is right. I'd expect the winner to come out of those 5 as well. I'd say the other 50% is made up of:

Purdue
BYU
Florida
Kansas
Iowa St

Not sure I'm feeling the Zags or Nebraska.
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Kind of crazy that the Big XII has five of the teams listed. Five legit final four teams. That's better than the SEC was last year, more quality at the top.
 
RuffRuff said:
I always say that by March, they're already sophomores.
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By that logic the sophomores are juniors, the juniors are seniors, the seniors are 5th year seniors and the 5th year seniors are professionals. So still more experience than a freshman.

Let's revisit this in March. Just one example, and they got very far, but I think Duke lost in the Final Four last year because they were inexperienced. Would you be satisfied if Arizona got to the Final Four and lost? That's a pretty good run but I'm just saying I wouldn't pick Arizona to win it all.
 
HooperScooper said:
By that logic the sophomores are juniors, the juniors are seniors, the seniors are 5th year seniors and the 5th year seniors are professionals. So still more experience than a freshman.

Let's revisit this in March. Just one example, and they got very far, but I think Duke lost in the Final Four last year because they were inexperienced. Would you be satisfied if Arizona got to the Final Four and lost? That's a pretty good run but I'm just saying I wouldn't pick Arizona to win it all.
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In crunch time vs Houston it was their experienced players like Proctor and James screwing up the most tbh
 
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