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jdote33 said:
Their second big looked really good, she made some huge shots from the outside and finished at the rim. Jana sat for much of the 4th but she was cheering on her teammates and into it as they continued come back. Then, perhaps more impressive, she was put back in with like 2 minutes left and drew a foul, and made some big free throws to put the team ahead. After they spot the other team like 10, I've been somewhat impressed with Egypt. This is my first time really watching them but they have several skilled players.
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Jana Sallman will be a freshman at BYU.
 
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Player’s motors -
Comparing one player’s motor is ok for friendly competition and discussion. But I also recognize that players do not have the same motor or level of intensity. Players are people and are of course “wired” differently.

You can be a great player without a high motor. Your great players that had/have heart/a high motor did not have to be coaxed into playing hard every minute they were on the floor.

Do you think Diana Taurasi, Maya Moore, Sue Bird, Jamelle Elliott, Jen Rizzotti, Skylar Diggins', USF's Courtney Williams, NaLyssa Smith (Baylor), Caitlin Clark, or Sabrina Ionescu needed pep talks from their coaches to get them to play hard or with more intensity?

No. They all have a high motor that was in their DNA the first day they stepped on their college campus. They only know one way to play.......100 mph. Some players have to be prodded and reminded to play hard, some don't.
 
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Carnac said:
Player’s motors -
Comparing one player’s motor is ok for friendly competition and discussion. But I also recognize that players do not have the same motor or level of intensity. Players are people and are of course “wired” differently.

You can be a great player without a high motor. Your great players that had/have heart/a high motor did not have to be coaxed into playing hard every minute they were on the floor.

Do you think Diana Taurasi, Maya Moore, Sue Bird, Jamelle Elliott, Jen Rizzotti, Skylar Diggins', USF's Courtney Williams, NaLyssa Smith (Baylor), Caitlin Clark, or Sabrina Ionescu needed pep talks from their coaches to get them to play hard or with more intensity?

No. They all have a high motor that was in their DNA the first day they stepped on their college campus. They only know one way to play.......100 mph. Some players have to be prodded and reminded to play hard, some don't.
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That’s a good list of 10 that are/were highly self motivated players. Now off the top of your head can you name 5 great players who did not have a high motor that needed to be prodded and reminded to play hard? I can’t.
 
UConnCat said:
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Five reasons Egypt star Elalfy can be Africa's number one baller

MADRID (Spain) - If Egyptian ace and UConn baller Jana Elalfy continues on her upward trajectory, there's every possibility she could take the coveted title of being Africa's best female player.
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Very nice article on Jana. I never have high expectations for any freshman coming in. Whatever they did, whatever awards they won are left at home when then they go to college. They all must start at square one. They haven't done anything at this level yet.

The more I read articles like this about Jana, t higher my expectations for her rise. The article suggested she may become the best female basketball player from Africa. There's no way you can read that and think she's going to have a "ho-hum" season.

First, she's got to get on the floor. Ice Brady and Amari DeBerry are going to be vying for playing time at the 5 as well. There's a log jam of post players vying for minutes at UConn for a change. What a refreshing change. I love it.
 
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BobbyJ said:
That’s a good list of 10 that are/were highly self motivated players. Now off the top of your head can you name 5 great players who did not have a high motor that needed to be prodded and reminded to play hard? I can’t.
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Several players that come immediately to mind are Wilt Chamberlain, Dennis Rodman, Kylie Irving, and James Harden. I've seen these players take plays off more than once during a game.

Kamila Cardoso (South Carolina) in my opinion does not have a high motor. Neither did Kalani Brown (Baylor). You asked for names. I've given you some. Not asking or expecting you to agree. I'm not going to debate this either. It's just one man's opinion.
 
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Scud49 said:
Game 1 in the books - I think we are looking at a very bright UCONN future and career for our Jana. :)

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She doing this against the best players in the world in her age group. Not against lesser or inferior competition. I'm inclined to think the time she's spent at UConn thus far is paying dividends.

Her father who knows her better than anyone, said she was almost unrecognizable. That resonated with me. I’m looking ahead to how good she’s going to be this time next year after a full NCAA season, and more Fiba play in her back pocket. ;)
 
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Carnac said:
Very nice article on Jana. I never have high expectations for any freshman coming in. Whatever they did, whatever awards they won are left at home when then they go to college. They all must start at square one. They haven't done anything at this level yet.

The more I read articles like this about Jana, t higher my expectations for her rise. The article suggested she may become the best female basketball player from Africa. There's no way you can read that and think she's going to have a "ho-hum" season.

First, she's got to get on the floor. Ice Brady and Amari DeBerry are going to be vying for playing time at the 5 as well. There's a log jam of post players vying for minutes at UConn for a change. What a refreshing change. I love it.
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I believe Jana is playing to impress her dad and mom, particularly when she is not being coached by dad.

When she is only getting 10-12 minutes at UCONN early in the year (AND on the European pre-season tour at 15 - 20 minutes - {possibly} with "only" 10 women available [minus Ice, Paige, Patterson, & Amari]?!?), she will be showing her "OVERDRIVE" gear in her strong motor...

Go Huskies!!!!!
 
JellyBean said:
Yup. You read the chart correctly. The turnovers were there. 7 of them. But had to watch the game and keep those turnovers in context. The minus 28 was there as well. You are correct, her team did not win. I have never been a fan of the Plus/Minus stuff, they are so misleading. Like any stat, it isn't perfect, but it's there.
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Right in that first game only one Egyptian player and a plus number. She played 16 minutes took no shots, got no rebounds and no assists. Yet, she was +5
 
The CDR-Ret said:
I believe Jana is playing to impress her dad and mom, particularly when she is not being coached by dad.
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And on what do you base this impressive piece of analysis?
 
BobbyJ said:
That’s a good list of 10 that are/were highly self motivated players. Now off the top of your head can you name 5 great players who did not have a high motor that needed to be prodded and reminded to play hard? I can’t.
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The first person on that list would be Tina Charles. She did not start to use her full talent until her junior year. Geno was making jokes about how (20 years later when she was married and had children) she would finally understand what he was saying about effort. He also made jokes about Carl Sagan (light from distant galaxies needing centuries to arrive on earth).

Kara Wolters would be another UConn person to add to the list. Stef Dolson might be another.

Actually I recall Geno commenting in an interview that the number of players who arrive at UConn already understanding the level of effort that will be required for them to excel at the D1 college level is quite small. The great majority of UConn players need to be taught that when they come to UConn.
 
Also it’s laughable to say Taurasi and Bird had high motors defensively. Offensively? Yes but I’ve definitely seen them take a play or two off defensively, even in their UConn days. This whole conversation about Jana is weird and seems have some strange undertones of something. Now Jana doesn’t have a high motor because she was slow getting back on defense in one u-19 game where she played 37 minutes? Ok
 
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I don’t think of players who take a play or two off in a game, so much as players who dont typically seem to be expending a lot of energy and still get a lot done. Oscar Robertson comes to mind. But among big guys, Kareem is another. Kevin McHale. Giannis. Embiid. In the W, Kara Wolter. Stef Dolson. All of them worked really hard on the court. But they were moving big bodies up and down the floor, grappling with other big bodies in the paint, little guards slapping at their faces to get the ball. They need to conserve energy where they can. They’re not hummingbirds
 
I'll gladly reassess Jana's play during the holiday break. We can trade notes and observations on her play then.
 
Scrutiner said:
Looks like an old Big East men's game when there were six fouls allowed. Pretty rough under the basket.
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The third and fourth video short displays a lot of " give and take". But it was "one on three" with
Jana being the "ONE"! I believe that it was after the third sequence that Jana had to leave the
game for a bruise/scrap to her forehead. They were picking on our big girl!!
 
BobbyJ said:
That’s a good list of 10 that are/were highly self motivated players. Now off the top of your head can you name 5 great players who did not have a high motor that needed to be prodded and reminded to play hard? I can’t.
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I think Tina Charles early in her college career needed motivation from Geno to be great.
 
BobbyJ said:
That’s a good list of 10 that are/were highly self motivated players. Now off the top of your head can you name 5 great players who did not have a high motor that needed to be prodded and reminded to play hard? I can’t.
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Tina Charles, Charde Houston, Stewie freshman year
 
HuskyNan said:
Tina Charles, Charde Houston, Stewie freshman year
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Tina and Stewie moved on to be great players, but Charde was a huge disappointment throughout her UConn career, capped off by her end of game missed bunny in an elite 8 game against Duke.
 
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JoePgh said:
The first person on that list would be Tina Charles. She did not start to use her full talent until her junior year. Geno was making jokes about how (20 years later when she was married and had children) she would finally understand what he was saying about effort. He also made jokes about Carl Sagan (light from distant galaxies needing centuries to arrive on earth).

Kara Wolters would be another UConn person to add to the list. Stef Dolson might be another.

Actually I recall Geno commenting in an interview that the number of players who arrive at UConn already understanding the level of effort that will be required for them to excel at the D1 college level is quite small. The great majority of UConn players need to be taught that when they come to UConn.
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Look at the criteria. I specified "5 great players". These were all kids who were not great players yet. Once Charles became a great player she didn't need that prodding and those reminders. Wolters and Dolson both needed physical makeovers to allow them to become great, they weren't lacking in compete level. And GA said one of the reasons he recruited Dolson was because, although slow, she never stopped trying to hustle whenever he saw her play in HS. El Alfy may become a great player eventually but she will need to develop that work ethic and mindset to do it. My point is that players either already have that compete level and work ethic or they have to develop it to become great players.
 
DEpup said:
I think Tina Charles early in her college career needed motivation from Geno to be great.
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She did. That's what helped her to eventually become a great player.
 
HuskyNan said:
Tina Charles, Charde Houston, Stewie freshman year
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As I say in post #109, the criteria was 5 great players who needed motivation. My point is that players who have become great don't coast and need to be prodded and reminded to hustle. No college freshmen are great players yet, just very advanced HS players with the potential to be great. Developing their compete level and work ethic is what allowed them to eventually become great players. Although Houston had a lot of potential, she didn't really ever become a great player.
 
BobbyJ said:
Look at the criteria. I specified "5 great players". These were all kids who were not great players yet. Once Charles became a great player she didn't need that prodding and those reminders. Wolters and Dolson both needed physical makeovers to allow them to become great, they weren't lacking in compete level. And GA said one of the reasons he recruited Dolson was because, although slow, she never stopped trying to hustle whenever he saw her play in HS. El Alfy may become a great player eventually but she will need to develop that work ethic and mindset to do it. My point is that players either already have that compete level and work ethic or they have to develop it to become great players.
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:( You seem to be leading a band of one with all of your SUBTLE, IMPLIED negative posts in this thread of a young woman who you have never seen play in person. It makes me wonder what could possibly be your motivation?
I believe than Jana will be a real contributor at the post, almost immediately and I look forward to her and her fellow (in eligibility) FR , Ice Brady providing what this guard heavy team needs to win #12
 
HuskylnSC said:
And on what do you base this impressive piece of analysis?
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It is a good example of the "I've got this" syndrome, and she will be on the Egyptian Senior National team soon with dad as the coach. Mom was a volleyball player and each of their children tried volleyball, but loved basketball. Therefore, Jana likes to re-enforce that she chose correctly in favor of basketball instead of volleyball. I'm pretty sure sure mom is already convinced...

Don't take it the wrong way, as she [Jana] is extemely coachable, and has a tremendous skill set that is improving every day....
 
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Bills Fan said:
:( You seem to be leading a band of one with all of your SUBTLE, IMPLIED negative posts in this thread of a young woman who you have never seen play in person. It makes me wonder what could possibly be your motivation?
I believe than Jana will be a real contributor at the post, almost immediately and I look forward to her and her fellow (in eligibility) FR , Ice Brady providing what this guard heavy team needs to win #12
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Thank you! These attacks on Jana are as weird as they are transparent.
 
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Bone Dog said:
I don’t think of players who take a play or two off in a game, so much as players who dont typically seem to be expending a lot of energy and still get a lot done. Oscar Robertson comes to mind. But among big guys, Kareem is another. Kevin McHale. Giannis. Embiid. In the W, Kara Wolter. Stef Dolson. All of them worked really hard on the court. But they were moving big bodies up and down the floor, grappling with other big bodies in the paint, little guards slapping at their faces to get the ball. They need to conserve energy where they can. They’re not hummingbirds
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This!! Well said! A lot of the greats took moments off. They had to conserve energy. Those great players knew when to attack and when you back off. Heck, Jordan took moments off. The great Flu game, Jordan knew when he had to turn it on and when to dial it back a notch. He had to conserve his energy.
 
BobbyJ said:
As I say in post #109, the criteria was 5 great players who needed motivation. My point is that players who have become great don't coast and need to be prodded and reminded to hustle. No college freshmen are great players yet, just very advanced HS players with the potential to be great. Developing their compete level and work ethic is what allowed them to eventually become great players. Although Houston had a lot of potential, she didn't really ever become a great player.
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A few things:
  • It took Tina over 2 years to learn to bust her butt on every play. Geno prodded her endlessly, something she’s spoken of many times.
  • If you’re excluding freshmen from your criticism on hustle, what is your beef with Jana who is, essentially, just out of high school?
  • Post-graduate layers that lack effort and hustle don’t have long careers as pros so they don’t have the chance to even try to be great players so your argument is specious
 
Bone Dog said:
I don’t think of players who take a play or two off in a game, so much as players who dont typically seem to be expending a lot of energy and still get a lot done. Oscar Robertson comes to mind. But among big guys, Kareem is another. Kevin McHale. Giannis. Embiid. In the W, Kara Wolter. Stef Dolson. All of them worked really hard on the court. But they were moving big bodies up and down the floor, grappling with other big bodies in the paint, little guards slapping at their faces to get the ball. They need to conserve energy where they can. They’re not hummingbirds
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For some reason, I immediately pictured Steph Dolson's face on a hummingbird, and I think it made my entire week already. LOL
 
HuskyNan said:
A few things:
  • It took Tina over 2 years to learn to bust her butt on every play. Geno prodded her endlessly, something she’s spoken of many times.
  • If you’re excluding freshmen from your criticism on hustle, what is your beef with Jana who is, essentially, just out of high school?
  • Post-graduate layers that lack effort and hustle don’t have long careers as pros so they don’t have the chance to even try to be great players so your argument is specious
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1- I agree. Once the lessons took hold she was able to go on to realize her potential.
2- Not excluding, including. All freshmen who don’t already have work ethic and hustle need to develop it. Some already have it coming into college. No beef with Jana, I hope she develops it and becomes another Tina Charles.
3- I agree. That’s why I like to see young players who have a lot of potential learn the lessons early so that they have the shot to become great before it’s too late.
 
No discussion of lack of effort is complete without giving Benoit Benjamin his due.

Benoit Benjamin was drafted third overall in 1985 and played 15 seasons in the NBA (nine teams).

7'0" tall, explains his longevity. Not known for his effort. Teams will tend to put up with a lot if the player can block shots. Averaged 2 per game over his career.

Peter Vecsey - "After an earthquake in Los Angeles - The earth in LA moved more in one hour than Benoit Benjamin did all last season with the Clippers."
 
My observations of the Egypt team in general is they are not very good. They look like an average HS team playing a college team and that is going to make it tough on anyone to look good on defense. "Helping out" on defense is only possible if the first line of defense is doing their job and for Egypt that wasn't happening.

What I noticed about Jana is she has a lot of ways to score and sees the floor pretty good on offense. On defense she is playing with 4 others that are very poor on defense and she really can't be the primary defender on all of them. Her speed is what you would expect from a player coming from that level of competition. She will find it much easier to defend when the other 4 are doing their part.
 
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