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Barry Rohrssen - aka Slice - was his NYC guy. He then went to Manhattan as HC - flunked out. He's now at St Johns after a year at Kentucky.

Sean Miller ain't leaving Arizona for his alma mater
 
MattMang23 said:
You're equating Arizona to UNC?
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Leaving the flagship school of a conference for like 7th on the totem pole. not sure UCLA has the pull that Arizona has these days, but regardless of that it would be an insane jump.
 
Mots010 said:
Leaving the flagship school of a conference for like 7th on the totem pole. not sure UCLA has the pull that Arizona has these days.
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I guess in that respect. But that's like equating Gonzaga to UNC then, too. UNC is a destination job. It's up there with Kentucky, Kansas, and... Gulp... Duke. There aren't many of them. I wouldn't put Arizona on that level.

But you're right, leaving Arizona for Pitt would be mind numbingly stupid.
 
Pitt AD and Jamie Dixon

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Chin Diesel said:
Looking at recruiting, that bastard Dixon didn't even have a single recruit worth trying to poach.
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A couple nice juniors in the front court though. Is a coach leaving typically justification for immediate eligibility? I know Oriakhi was a different situation because of the ban.
 
Inyatkin said:
Dixon had Pitt a legit national title contender, especially in '09. Was bad luck against Villanova, not a choke job. They've fallen off since then, but not sure that's an indication of a hard ceiling
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I knew this would happen when Pitt left the Big East. When they were playing in the New York area against St. Johns, Seton Hall and Rutgers, plus the BET, Pitt had a recruiting advantage over the rest of the country and they exploited it. Since they left the Big East, Pitt is just another school trying to recruit NYC, along with every other school. Pitt is not exactly a sought after destination for high school recruits, and western PA is one of the oldest regions in the country demographically so it is not producing much in the way of talent. Pitt is in a very tough conference and does not have a single natural advantage against any of the top 2/3's of its league.

Pitt had a few teams that could have won it all or at least made a Final Four, but those days are over. Pitt is on a downward trajectory.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I knew this would happen when Pitt left the Big East. When they were playing in the New York area against St. Johns, Seton Hall and Rutgers, plus the BET, Pitt had a recruiting advantage over the rest of the country and they exploited it. Since they left the Big East, Pitt is just another school trying to recruit NYC, along with every other school. Pitt is not exactly a sought after destination for high school recruits, and western PA is one of the oldest regions in the country demographically so it is not producing much in the way of talent. Pitt is in a very tough conference and does not have a single natural advantage against any of the top 2/3's of its league.

Pitt had a few teams that could have won it all or at least made a Final Four, but those days are over. Pitt is on a downward trajectory.
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Just another example--along with BC--of the ACC's short-sightedness.
 
NDakotaHusky said:
We would of done the same. No hard feelings. They were solid rivals.
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As I stated you are unaware of the entire background. Every university has an obligation to itself. So certainly if UConn were given the opportunity they would have upgraded conferences. In fact they did it when they left the Yankee Conference.
What was specifically underhanded about Pitt was their handling of the BE conference negotiations with ESPN around the time that they were negotiating with the ACC.

Just prior to Cuse and Pitt leaving for the ACC, the BE was in negotiation with ESPN for an new contract. The numbers weren't great but they were a significant upgrade over the previous contract and far greater than was negotiated after Pitt and Cuse bolted.

Three schools vetoed the contract. Georgetown ( who I don't begrudge because they felt the conference should have been valued higher and they had no clue what was going to happen)
Notre Dame ( who also didn't know the unfolding of events and although I have some sour grapes about them having voting privileges despite not being fully in the conference the fault was with the other members for giving them this privilege and not Notre Dame). The third vote against the contract was Pitt who chaired the athletic committee. They were deeply engaged with the ACC at the time of the vote. They couldn't abstain because that would have revealed their move but they could have voted for the contract similarly to what Syracuse did.

In effect they destroyed the remaining teams by leaving the conference and voting against a contract upgrade essentially minimizing any leverage the conference could muster.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
As I stated you are unaware of the entire background. Every university has an obligation to itself. So certainly if UConn were given the opportunity they would have upgraded conferences. In fact they did it when they left the Yankee Conference.
What was specifically underhanded about Pitt was their handling of the BE conference negotiations with ESPN around the time that they were negotiating with the ACC.

Just prior to Cuse and Pitt leaving for the ACC, the BE was in negotiation with ESPN for an new contract. The numbers weren't great but they were a significant upgrade over the previous contract and far greater than was negotiated after Pitt and Cuse bolted.

Three schools vetoed the contract. Georgetown ( who I don't begrudge because they felt the conference should have been valued higher and they had no clue what was going to happen)
Notre Dame ( who also didn't know the unfolding of events and although I have some sour grapes about them having voting privileges despite not being fully in the conference the fault was with the other members for giving them this privilege and not Notre Dame). The third vote against the contract was Pitt who chaired the athletic committee. They were deeply engaged with the ACC at the time of the vote. They couldn't abstain because that would have revealed their move but they could have voted for the contract similarly to what Syracuse did.

In effect they destroyed the remaining teams by leaving the conference and voting against a contract upgrade essentially minimizing any leverage the conference could muster.
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I vaguely remember that, but not to the detail you provided. Dirty move on Pitts part, but I still root for them over the traditional ACC teams.
 
MattMang23 said:
Well this is further proof that UConn is going to the Big XII. Right, Conspiracy Kitty? @CL82 Follow me on this: Dixon recruits NYC. Dixon leaves a conference that has access to NYC to go to a league without access to NYC. Why? Because TCU told him that UConn will be joining and therefore he will still get to use the pitch that their parents/family will get to drive to see them play at least once a year.
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Uconn77Duke74 said:
I assume we let Kansas win the other day in exchange for an invite to their conference?
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
Shhhhh! Part of the deal is that we don't discuss it. Don't blow this thing for us.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
As I stated you are unaware of the entire background. Every university has an obligation to itself. So certainly if UConn were given the opportunity they would have upgraded conferences. In fact they did it when they left the Yankee Conference.
What was specifically underhanded about Pitt was their handling of the BE conference negotiations with ESPN around the time that they were negotiating with the ACC.

Just prior to Cuse and Pitt leaving for the ACC, the BE was in negotiation with ESPN for an new contract. The numbers weren't great but they were a significant upgrade over the previous contract and far greater than was negotiated after Pitt and Cuse bolted.

Three schools vetoed the contract. Georgetown ( who I don't begrudge because they felt the conference should have been valued higher and they had no clue what was going to happen)
Notre Dame ( who also didn't know the unfolding of events and although I have some sour grapes about them having voting privileges despite not being fully in the conference the fault was with the other members for giving them this privilege and not Notre Dame). The third vote against the contract was Pitt who chaired the athletic committee. They were deeply engaged with the ACC at the time of the vote. They couldn't abstain because that would have revealed their move but they could have voted for the contract similarly to what Syracuse did.

In effect they destroyed the remaining teams by leaving the conference and voting against a contract upgrade essentially minimizing any leverage the conference could muster.
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14 of the 17 schools that would have been part of that BE TV contract ended up better off leaving the league than they would have been if they signed that deal. UConn, USF and Cincinnati were the only ones hurt by not signing that contract.
 
Not sure I buy that moving to the ACC has hurt Pitt. They always stunk in the NCAA tournament. Their NYC pipeline had a lot to do with their assistant coaches. Ok - instead of competing for 1st in the BE they are competing for 3-4 in the ACC, but that is still good enough to be a Final Four team.
 
Pitt isn't competing for 3rd or 4th ... in today's ACC, they're slotted at 6th to 11.

Yes. They were a great BE squad ... That failed often in March
 
nelsonmuntz said:
14 of the 17 schools that would have been part of that BE TV contract ended up better off leaving the league than they would have been if they signed that deal. UConn, USF and Cincinnati were the only ones hurt by not signing that contract.
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The current group that calls themselves the BE is making more than 14-17 million dollars per school which was the supposed contract the pre breakup BE was negotiating?
 
fleudslipcon said:
The current group that calls themselves the BE is making more than 14-17 million dollars per school which was the supposed contract the pre breakup BE was negotiating?
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the current members of BE are not making 14-17 million / year - it's more like 3-4 million
 
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ebucklewis said:
the current members of BE are not making 14-17 million / year - it's more like 3-4 million
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Exactly. But it was reported that the pre break up BE was negotiating a significantly higher monetary number than this refuting the statement nelson made to me.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Exactly. But it was reported that the pre break up BE was negotiating a significantly higher monetary number than this refuting the statement nelson made to me.
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For the schools that played football it was about 13-14 million a year if I recall. The Catholic schools supposedly wanted a similar amount, which was a problem when they were not providing that content or undergoing the same expenses.
 
TRest said:
For the schools that played football it was about 13-14 million a year if I recall. The Catholic schools supposedly wanted a similar amount, which was a problem when they were not providing that content or undergoing the same expenses.
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That contract sounds about right. All but Pitt, Georgetown and ND supported that contract and the tiered payment. ND was in the drivers seat. They had/have a lucrative arrangement with NBC. Why not see if you can get more? Georgetown supposedly didn't object to the tiered arrangement. Just felt the conference was undervalued. UConn, Ville, WV, Cin, Cuse and the little peeps supported the contract. Pitt is the major villein with regards to this imo. They should have voted for it knowing they were going to bolt.

Seeing Pitt with a few more years in bb and football purgatory would make me happy. I waiver between being magnanimous versus seeing Pitt end up like BCU. If you believe this I have a turkey sandwich with ketchup I'm offering @August_West for a grand that I can offer you instead.
 
All these takes suggesting that Pitt is in trouble or that they can't be higher than the 6th best program in the ACC are both wrong AND missing the point. It's great.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
14 of the 17 schools that would have been part of that BE TV contract ended up better off leaving the league than they would have been if they signed that deal. UConn, USF and Cincinnati were the only ones hurt by not signing that contract.
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