Jalen Duren to Memphis

[Incursio007]

Not going to hate, it’s a heck of a class Memphis is bringing in. Huge get for the AAC as well.

Same time, I think our ‘21 class has just as big of an impact long term as theirs does.

 

[Chief00]

This is a fascinating case between the OTE $’s vs. college corporate sponsors $’s. This is the new recruiting battlefield.

 

[Hoophound]

If Larry Brown is still up to the task, he alone can make that team a juggernaut. He can make any team good, especially a talented one. Penny should be a cheerleader and Larry handle this.

 

[huskymedic]

Next it looks like it's between Oregon (Nike) and Memphis (FedEx) for Emoni Bates.

What Brown can do for you…

-> Sources told On3 that Memphis pitched a NIL deal, partnered with FedEx, to both Bates and his former Duren, his former AAU teammate who committed to the Tigers a couple of weeks ago.

Multiple reports suggest that Memphis would be able to match what the pro options (G-League, NBL) were offering through this NIL deal. It’s estimated that pro routes were offering both Bates and Duren seven-figure contracts. If those reports are correct, then both Bates and Duren will make a minimum of a million dollars playing at Memphis.

It’s no secret that Bates and Duren would’ve likely chosen the pro route if it wasn’t for NIL. Thanks to the NCAA, we will get to see the dynamic duo of Bates and Duren together at Memphis, even if it is for only one year. <-

 

[Tampahusky]

He's literally 80.

Who cares? Calhoun is still coaching and still doing a hell of a job. Adding Rasheed Wallace to the staff helps out big time and the Fed Ex money backing that program is why you see it making waves.

 

[Get a Job]

What Brown can do for you…

-> Sources told On3 that Memphis pitched a NIL deal, partnered with FedEx, to both Bates and his former Duren, his former AAU teammate who committed to the Tigers a couple of weeks ago.

Multiple reports suggest that Memphis would be able to match what the pro options (G-League, NBL) were offering through this NIL deal. It’s estimated that pro routes were offering both Bates and Duren seven-figure contracts. If those reports are correct, then both Bates and Duren will make a minimum of a million dollars playing at Memphis.

It’s no secret that Bates and Duren would’ve likely chosen the pro route if it wasn’t for NIL. Thanks to the NCAA, we will get to see the dynamic duo of Bates and Duren together at Memphis, even if it is for only one year. <-

I'd quibble and say we have state legislatures to thank, and not the NCAA. The NCAA just stepped in when they no longer had a choice. I wouldn't thank that slimeball organization for anything when it comes to athletes and amateurism.

 

[Chuck]

What Brown can do for you…

-> Sources told On3 that Memphis pitched a NIL deal, partnered with FedEx, to both Bates and his former Duren, his former AAU teammate who committed to the Tigers a couple of weeks ago.

Multiple reports suggest that Memphis would be able to match what the pro options (G-League, NBL) were offering through this NIL deal. It’s estimated that pro routes were offering both Bates and Duren seven-figure contracts. If those reports are correct, then both Bates and Duren will make a minimum of a million dollars playing at Memphis.

It’s no secret that Bates and Duren would’ve likely chosen the pro route if it wasn’t for NIL. Thanks to the NCAA, we will get to see the dynamic duo of Bates and Duren together at Memphis, even if it is for only one year. <-

Two things:

What can Brown do for you... If not referring to Larry Brown, did you (deliberately or accidentally) confuse FedEx with UPS (Brown)?

More importantly, this really shows have the NIL stuff can change college sports, especially basketball (less players). Non-P5/6 schools, with rabid fanbases and/or big local corporations (more so than even deep pocket donors) can buy themselves a national power. Credit to Memphis, Penny, and FedEx for getting an organized offer in place. I hope UConn is thinking outside the box and aggressively pursuing opportunities for its athletes.

 

[huskymedic]

Two things:

What can Brown do for you... If not referring to Larry Brown, did you (deliberately or accidentally) confuse FedEx with UPS (Brown)?

I should have put “pun intended”…

 

[NCNutmeg]

Yet lacking in execution

I agree to a certain extent but when the NCAA declared Wiseman ineligible a few years ago, they really lost all their momentum. They are going to struggle with the same things a Kentucky team struggles with - playing as a team and identifying their "go-to" guy that takes over games when he has to.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[BGesus4]

Maybe not a great coach but sure sounds like Penny’s outsmarting the recruiting competition. Have to give him credit. Hard to believe they offer any more money than the Dukes and Kentuckys, but he’s still been able to beat them head to head while being in the AAC at nothing near a blue blood.

 

[Samoo]

Maybe not a great coach but sure sounds like Penny’s outsmarting the recruiting competition. Have to give him credit. Hard to believe they offer any more money than the Dukes and Kentuckys, but he’s still been able to beat them head to head while being in the AAC at nothing near a blue blood.

Much less a better NIL situation than Nike; credit to Penny where it's due...

 

[Jbirdp5]

What Brown can do for you…

-> Sources told On3 that Memphis pitched a NIL deal, partnered with FedEx, to both Bates and his former Duren, his former AAU teammate who committed to the Tigers a couple of weeks ago.

Multiple reports suggest that Memphis would be able to match what the pro options (G-League, NBL) were offering through this NIL deal. It’s estimated that pro routes were offering both Bates and Duren seven-figure contracts. If those reports are correct, then both Bates and Duren will make a minimum of a million dollars playing at Memphis.

It’s no secret that Bates and Duren would’ve likely chosen the pro route if it wasn’t for NIL. Thanks to the NCAA, we will get to see the dynamic duo of Bates and Duren together at Memphis, even if it is for only one year. <-

This makes it seem like a partnership between the school and fed ex. In strictly legal terms is the school allowed to be involved in NIL deals and to make that a part of their pitch to a player?

 

[huskymedic]

This makes it seem like a partnership between the school and fed ex. In strictly legal terms is the school allowed to be involved in NIL deals and to make that a part of their pitch to a player?

Dosh discusses in a few post here:

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

Lol…

 

[Get a Job]

Lol…

 

[Dooooooomed]

LOL. Took virtually no time for the staff to break the new rules. Memphis gonna Memphis.

 

[Tampahusky]

As I said before , who ever has the biggest boosters will win in recruiting. With NIL that’s the direction it has gone. It’s a different world now. Thankfully UCONN is still recruiting highly ranked 4* players without the money.

 

[Storrs South]

Lol…

Talk about embarrassing: Tipton covering up for Memphis so he can retain his access journalism and Memphis fans attacking the actual reporter in this situation because they don't like that Penny has broken the rules again.

 

[husky429]

I couldn't be a fan of a team that operated this way. UConn is no saint historically or anything, but just blatantly subverting the amateurism rules doesn't do it for me.

I also appreciate that we aren't recruiting these hs prima donna players. Duran seems alright, but I would want no piece of the Bates baggage no matter how talented he is

 

[HooperScooper]

I couldn't be a fan of a team that operated this way. UConn is no saint historically or anything, but just blatantly subverting the amateurism rules doesn't do it for me.

I also appreciate that we aren't recruiting these hs prima donna players. Duran seems alright, but I would want no piece of the Bates baggage no matter how talented he is

I'll post this again here since it seems relevant.

When asked if any recruit, parent of a recruit or representative of a recruit had inquired as to how much money they could make at UConn thanks to the recently passed name, image and likeness laws, Hurley began to laugh.

“Yes,” he said in between chuckles. He then took a long pause before re-stating his answer. “Listen ... yes.”

Suffice to say, it has come up. But even as it becomes a more prominent piece of college sports, Hurley said he won’t be altering his recruiting strategy to adhere to it.

“We’re not going to get into the business,” Hurley said. “Everyone has a reputation in recruiting. We’ll never inflate numbers to a potential recruit about what they could potentially do in NIL to try and secure their services, which is something that, you know, potentially you’re going to see. ... We’re going to attract kids here that want to be a part of one of the great brands in all of college basketball. They want to be a part of a program that’s striving for its fifth national championship. They want to be developed by a great group of coaches that want to help them maximize their professional careers.

“And we’ll put them in the best position that we can to take advantage of the NIL here at UConn. I’m not going to get into the business, which you’re obviously going to see from programs, you know, where that goes on. That’s not who I am.”

 

[Chuck]

I couldn't be a fan of a team that operated this way. UConn is no saint historically or anything, but just blatantly subverting the amateurism rules doesn't do it for me.

I also appreciate that we aren't recruiting these hs prima donna players. Duran seems alright, but I would want no piece of the Bates baggage no matter how talented he is

How is what Memphis doing "subverting the amateurism rules?" UConn literally can't prohibit their players from profiting from their NIL. The Ivy League allows NIL. So why wouldn't UConn help the players make as much money as they can?

HooperScooper's quote tells me one of two things: i) Hurley is referring to schools promising vasts amount of cash that they won't be able to deliver on similar to promises to start on Day 1 or to be an NBA lottery pick after year 1. He also doesn't want kids that are ONLY interested in maxing out their NIL while at UConn; or ii) He only wants guys that want to play for UConn and not take advantage of NIL opportunities. If it's the latter, he's going to fall behind if he doesn't want players that are interested in NIL. I personally think he was referring to the former and I hope UConn will help its athletes secure opportunities.

 

[lange10]

I'll post this again here since it seems relevant.

When asked if any recruit, parent of a recruit or representative of a recruit had inquired as to how much money they could make at UConn thanks to the recently passed name, image and likeness laws, Hurley began to laugh.

“Yes,” he said in between chuckles. He then took a long pause before re-stating his answer. “Listen ... yes.”

Suffice to say, it has come up. But even as it becomes a more prominent piece of college sports, Hurley said he won’t be altering his recruiting strategy to adhere to it.

“We’re not going to get into the business,” Hurley said. “Everyone has a reputation in recruiting. We’ll never inflate numbers to a potential recruit about what they could potentially do in NIL to try and secure their services, which is something that, you know, potentially you’re going to see. ... We’re going to attract kids here that want to be a part of one of the great brands in all of college basketball. They want to be a part of a program that’s striving for its fifth national championship. They want to be developed by a great group of coaches that want to help them maximize their professional careers.

“And we’ll put them in the best position that we can to take advantage of the NIL here at UConn. I’m not going to get into the business, which you’re obviously going to see from programs, you know, where that goes on. That’s not who I am.”

Link to article?

 

[Hoophound]

How is what Memphis doing "subverting the amateurism rules?" UConn literally can't prohibit their players from profiting from their NIL. The Ivy League allows NIL. So why wouldn't UConn help the players make as much money as they can?

HooperScooper's quote tells me one of two things: i) Hurley is referring to schools promising vasts amount of cash that they won't be able to deliver on similar to promises to start on Day 1 or to be an NBA lottery pick after year 1. He also doesn't want kids that are ONLY interested in maxing out their NIL while at UConn; or ii) He only wants guys that want to play for UConn and not take advantage of NIL opportunities. If it's the latter, he's going to fall behind if he doesn't want players that are interested in NIL. I personally think he was referring to the former and I hope UConn will help its athletes secure opportunities.

“And we’ll put them in the best position that we can to take advantage of the NIL here at UConn. I’m not going to get into the business, which you’re obviously going to see from programs, you know, where that goes on. That’s not who I am.”

He will help them make money through NIL. He won’t be be asking The Hartford to pay Donovan Clingan $1,000,000 to come play at UConn.

 

[Get a Job]

How is what Memphis doing "subverting the amateurism rules?" UConn literally can't prohibit their players from profiting from their NIL. The Ivy League allows NIL. So why wouldn't UConn help the players make as much money as they can?

HooperScooper's quote tells me one of two things: i) Hurley is referring to schools promising vasts amount of cash that they won't be able to deliver on similar to promises to start on Day 1 or to be an NBA lottery pick after year 1. He also doesn't want kids that are ONLY interested in maxing out their NIL while at UConn; or ii) He only wants guys that want to play for UConn and not take advantage of NIL opportunities. If it's the latter, he's going to fall behind if he doesn't want players that are interested in NIL. I personally think he was referring to the former and I hope UConn will help its athletes secure opportunities.

I am no expert whatsoever, but what I understand from the information in this thread is that Memphis potentially violated the rules by working with FedEx to offer a deal that is contingent upon a player committing to Memphis. That is apparently not allowed.

 

[Chuck]

“And we’ll put them in the best position that we can to take advantage of the NIL here at UConn. I’m not going to get into the business, which you’re obviously going to see from programs, you know, where that goes on. That’s not who I am.”

He will help them make money through NIL. He won’t be be asking The Hartford to pay Donovan Clingan $1,000,000 to come play at UConn.

I didn't see that part at first and then couldn't edit (probably good to get rid of the feature that allowed unlimited editing). I agree that he's saying it's not something he'll get involved with. I think the University could. As an alum with a degree from the business school (but not really using it), how cool would it have been to have a program that works on NIL opportunities for the school's athletes. The school/students in the program could get a cut.

@Get a Job, that's interesting about the violation. If that's the case, there will certainly be some games, "I'm not saying that you would get $1mm from FedEx if you came here, but you saw what Emoni Bates got." Or from FedEx, "We'd like to offer you $1mm but it is contingent upon you spending 150 days per year in the city of Memphis. But you can go to any school you'd like. Visible Music College [I looked that one up] should have a strong program next year."

 

[Get a Job]

I didn't see that part at first and then couldn't edit (probably good to get rid of the feature that allowed unlimited editing). I agree that he's saying it's not something he'll get involved with. I think the University could. As an alum with a degree from the business school (but not really using it), how cool would it have been to have a program that works on NIL opportunities for the school's athletes. The school/students in the program could get a cut.

@Get a Job, that's interesting about the violation. If that's the case, there will certainly be some games, "I'm not saying that you would get $1mm from FedEx if you came here, but you saw what Emoni Bates got." Or from FedEx, "We'd like to offer you $1mm but it is contingent upon you spending 150 days per year in the city of Memphis. But you can go to any school you'd like. Visible Music College [I looked that one up] should have a strong program next year."

Don't sleep on VMC!

 

[auror]

@Get a Job, that's interesting about the violation. If that's the case, there will certainly be some games, "I'm not saying that you would get $1mm from FedEx if you came here, but you saw what Emoni Bates got." Or from FedEx, "We'd like to offer you $1mm but it is contingent upon you spending 150 days per year in the city of Memphis. But you can go to any school you'd like. Visible Music College [I looked that one up] should have a strong program next year."

Yes the regulations are utterly unenforceable, and the NCAA knows this. The schools know this. The players know this. The NCAA didn't want to get involved with this, but got dragged into it.

You just can't tell a reporter that's what is literally going on. Because outright admitting it is literally the only way you can get busted. But the schools doing it do have an incentive to tell people, so that future recruits hear about it and their sponsors get a free publicity boost. So they probably have to wink and nod.

The NCAA would do better just eliminating any regulation, but this would visibly open the door all the way, and they'd prefer it would just be open while they pretend it's just cracked.

 

[HooperScooper]

Link to article?

You're going to make me go find the thing again?! Lol. Here you go.

Depth of the UConn men’s basketball team will make it hard to defend

There is currently not a player that will suit up for the UConn men’s basketball team this season that has the same bucket-getting ability as James Bouknight, one of college basketball’…

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