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Yup, James Young!
Jabari Parker officially declares for NBA Draft
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Of course there are sophomores every draft... That's not the point. My original post clearly clearly said "stud" freshman. None of the 3 guys you named were stud freshman projected to even go the 1st round. aceboon's subsequent post listing Smart, Jones, Barnes, and Sullinger (projected top 5 to top 10 guys) pretty much hit the nail on the head so I'll leave it at that.
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No one said top 5, BU said "I can't recall the last time one of these stud freshman returned to school and actually increased their stock."
I define stud freshman as someone who was highly rated in high school and rumored to be first rounder, but unless we specifically state that it is open for debate.
Wiki: Ranked number 32 in the MaxPreps Class of 2012 Top 100, Warren became a hot commodity for college recruits.T. J. Warren decided to stay for his sophomore year despite being rated as one of the top 31 prospects in the NBA draft during his freshman year by Draftexpress.com. His main influence was his father who convinced him that playing another year at NC State would benefit T. J. more, by allowing him to further develop his basketball skills and also improve his draft spot for the NBA
As a freshman at Michigan, he moved into the starting lineup for the 2012–13 team in the team's 7th game. He was named Sports Illustrated national Freshman of the week once, Big Ten Conference Freshman of the Week 3 times and to the Wayman Tisdale Award (USBWA National Freshman of the Year) top 12 midseason list. During the 2013 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament, he earned South All-Regional Team recognition.
Rivals ranked Rodney Hood 16th out of high school.
I can't name Marcus Smart because everyone will counter that he would have gone #1 last year even though that is totally unknowable. I do bet he learned a lot by staying in school and will be a better pro because of it. My constant refrain is that college basketball develops players better than the NBA and it is weird the college basketball fans don't agree. Would Amidah Brimah be better off declaring?!
One of the things the NBA is considering along with changing the draft age (2yrs college) is making it so the contract length changes. So right now if you come out it takes 4yrs to get to the next contract. They may make it such that if you stay in school you can sign for 3yrs with the intention that star players get off the rookie scale to bigger money contracts at the same pace whether they come out or stay in school. Unfortunately that may have the unintended consequence of enticing marginal guys to earn say 2M x 4yrs rather than gamble for say 2M x 3yrs and a bigger but unknown 2nd contract. Surefire stars will theoretically no longer be penalized for staying in school on the timing and $ of that 2nd contract, but for borderline guys it'll be hard to turn down $M and years.
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Harrison Barnes
Harrison Barnes was rated as the number 1 player in the class of 2010 by Scout.com[2] and in the ESPNU 100.[3] He was rated as the number 2 player by Rivals.com. Barnes's 40 point performance set the record for points by a Freshman in an ACC Tournament game.[27] On April 18, 2011, Barnes announced that he would return to North Carolina for his sophomore season despite being projected as a lottery pick for the 2011 NBA draft.
On March 29, 2012, Barnes announced that he was entering the 2012 NBA Draft along with Tyler Zeller, Kendall Marshall and John Henson. He worked out with 4 teams: Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Washington Wizards, and Toronto Raptors.[31] He was selected 7th overall by the Golden State Warriors.
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I think he`ll be good and his size should be good enough just look at guys like Sullinger and Klove who arent the tallest or most athletic guys but are doing very well in the league. i think Randle will find similar success.
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Talented young man. He will be the next in the long line of Duke players who excel in the NBA.....
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What do you see in Randle to even sniff # 1?
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Honestly nothing (I watched Randle in NCAA only, 3-4 games), just hedging off declaring Jabari a consensus #1. I've only seen 2 full games from Wiggins and one from Embid. Parker probably 5 games so just not enough of anyone to feel really strong about order.
No doubt that Jabari belongs in and at very top of the draft.
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It's "the decision".
Randle got all the hype, but Young was their best player overall
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I thought he might be but then I saw his stats…….seemed to shoot better than he actually did and for a while seemed like a spot up shooter only. He did show, not only the dunk, but throughout the tourney that he could get to the hole a little better than I first thought. But his overall shooting of 40% and only 35% from 3 makes me wonder…….
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He was nasty in the Final, but I'm glad he got lackadaisical on a few defensive series. UCONN capitalized on those.
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Maybe he really was torn. Caron Butler was. Rudy Gay was. Just because it makes sense to go pro doesn't mean it's easy.
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I do think he was…….good kid from a solid family and really wanted a title as well as liking the campus life I bet.
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Exhibit A Jared Sullinger...
Why did he go to Dook in the first place? K isn't great at developing talent. Would love to see him on a structured NBA team though (not a huge celtics or Knicks fan so I just appreciate great players and great basketball). If he goes to a team like the Kings or Cavs, his career will be ruined
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He should have gone to Kentucky where Cal is sooooo good at developing talented one-and-done's
………..If you appreciate great players and great basketball you should have been rooting for him to transfer to UConn for a couple more years, not go to the NBA
…………Need a coffee…….
Cal's players are good in the leagueHe should have gone to Kentucky where Cal is sooooo good at developing talented one-and-done's
If you appreciate great players and great basketball you should have been rooting for him to transfer to UConn for a couple more years, not go to the NBA
Need a coffee…….
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First I think there are too many ill-conceived websites (nbadraft.net primary example) and espn idiots like Chad Ford that do mock drafts that can encourage kids to come out before they are ready (a zillion examples basketball skill-wise) and that is why I beat the drum hard about stay in school. Its obviously an opinion and its not personal if I argue against a giant wave of folks saying strike while the iron is hot.
For Sullinger I'd bet if you ask him he is very happy with the Celtics, he's making 1.4M per year and on track for a long professional career. So there is at least an argument that he helped himself by not coming out when he did, maybe not in first 4-5yr dollars, but possibly in long term $ and definitely in team/career development & satisfaction. In terms of draft slot Sullinger had bad workout numbers which always would have happened due to his body type, as I mentioned in an earlier post have dogged him at every level of basketball. The back thing likewise would have come up in either draft. See link below and this quote:
"Honestly, I’m shocked the way I’m playing now,” the Celtics forward said after practice Thursday. Shocked in a good way, he means. His back had been giving him trouble since his freshman year at Ohio State, and doctors had said that the surgery, performed in February, would make the second-year Celtics big man better than ever."
So I think it is nonsensical that people accept as irrefutable fact that a player like Sullinger was PROJECTED to be a top-5 pick because nbadraft.net & Chad Ford once said so. How is that a better indication of where he'd be drafted versus where NBA GM's actually picked him? To me it is like the 'perfect market' theory of the stock market. We have to accept that the price of a stock reflects its actual value determined by demand of the open market. Acknowledging there are occasional aberrations of scarcity and striking while iron is hot (again ie Tyrus Thomas) most times the best indication of a player's (Sullinger's) draft stock is not where they were projected before entering a draft and being evaluated, it is where a player is actually picked.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...improvement/ITfXYfRhZXQ2rpw2REnBVM/story.html
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Look, he may be a rat face, but he can develop players. The guy can coach. He does develop guys differently than say UCONN, but many of the the kids get better.
No one cares that you are going pro or skipping your mission. Also, apparently it was important to share that Coach K in no way tried to convince him to go back to Duke.
I mean, knowing someone for 6 months makes them a father figure now? Maybe I'm just in a sour mood but this was a seriously strange article to read.
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I missed the essay by Wiggins haha. SI did a new mock draft btw showing Shabazz going to the Clippers
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nb...aft-andrew-wiggins-jabari-parker-joel-embiid/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nb...aft-andrew-wiggins-jabari-parker-joel-embiid/
Much like the past season Duke keeps losing (this time players) and moving up! Consensus #1 next year. They better hope Okafor and Jones are as baller as they think.
Looking at their roster I'd have them about 7 or 8 preseason. I think they are the second best team in their area code...
Looking at their roster I'd have them about 7 or 8 preseason. I think they are the second best team in their area code...
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Yuck, I don't like that mock for Shabazz or the Celtics. I think Shabazz should go low 20's or so, but some guy I've never heard of named Howard Cooper at NBA.com mock has him as the 9th best PG supposedly based on survey of GMs?! WTF.
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/featur...nba-draft/index.html?ls=iref:nba:specialst13a
For Celtics to pick Randle even though they have 2 PF's (Sullinger & Olenik) already that have limited trade value (they'd be better of trading the pick). Then pick Kyle Anderson (he did look great in tourney though) b/c tall guards are in favor?! ? That implies you are trading Rondo - pretty sure I'd rather have Rondo than Kyle Anderson. With that mock they'd lose Rondo and get scraps for the 2 PF's, basically becoming an all rookie team that'd be 3+ years away. No thanks.
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