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I've never seen a team more overmatched. At any level. Ever.

CL82 said:
I know right? He was totally over his head here. That's why when he left UConn he had to go to such a huge step down in program. Pshhht...Michigan. Do they even have sports teams?
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So in your opinion he crushed it here? Give me some examples. I mean like besides the genius Diaco hire.
 
noeynox said:
Maybe the real problem was firing him with no clear plan of succession. To replace him with an interim and then a MAC conference "RockStar" was poor execution. Should have targeted someone with connections and panache.
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He openly defied his superiors, alienated the coaches of our two most important programs, and was as corrupt as the day is long. They had no choice but to fire him.
 
Dooley said:
Let's all not forget one very important element to Louisville - they are a big-time scam and lied, cheated, and bribed their way to the ACC. But that's how business gets done and they got it done. We were too busy making sure we had perfect APR scores and looking like choir boys/girls that we forgot that the FSUs, Clemsons, UNCs, etc don't give a rat's patoot about ethics or morality. They care about money and only money and UL delivered the case to make more money - legally and illegally - when we didn't.[/QUOTE

Totally agree
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Totally Agree
 
Excalibur said:
He openly defied his superiors, alienated the coaches of our two most important programs, and was as corrupt as the day is long. They had no choice but to fire him.
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Not disagreeing, should have just been thought out better. Also, they took their cues from him, and he openly defied them? He had to go, but Rockstar, Benedict, Pendergast?
 
hardcorehusky said:
Absolutely correct. Now add in the fact of what drove Randy out of town- the fact that JH micromanaged him and DID NOT help him with working with admissions to get recruits into the school that were academically not at par with the rest of the university. PP and I had a conversation about that one night and he rattled off a list of kids that wound up at Temple because UCONN admissions would not let them in. Look at the rise of Temple and our decline. This policy, set forth from SH, is the single most damning policy that affected our teams. Most great "football" universities allow certain recruits academic admission without the GPA and scores of the rest of the student body. It is incumbent upon the program and school to keep them academically eligible. Notre Dame has been the case and point for this for years- and was the main factor in their decline- (look up their record before Kelly came in).

Football is the sport most affected by the admissions requirements. SH wanted to turn UCONN into Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. With enough money from the state, she almost pulled it off. The flip side was the decline of major sports in athletics. This also coincided with APR issues that occurred with the men's basketball program and the cocktail of conference realignment along with changed admission standards for the school and athletics programs put us into the tail spin we are trying to recover from.
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It's like we are reliving the exact same scenario that made us incapable of competing in the old Big East during the first several seasons. We wouldn't admit marginal qualifiers like every other school in the league was doing. It's no wonder our records in BB were reflective of that intransigence.

Herbst and the past three ADs have no clue about UCONN's athletic dept. history and what it takes to win against schools that admit marginal qualifiers. You can't compete against schools that do it. Herbst ought to understand that even her beloved Duke does it. You think schools like Stanford, Northwestern and Vanderbilt could effectively compete at a P5 level without cutting a few admissions corners? Everybody does it...except maybe UCONN. The results on the field speak for themselves. We're not an Ivy League school and never will be.
 
UConnNick said:
It's like we are reliving the exact same scenario that made us incapable of competing in the old Big East during the first several seasons. We wouldn't admit marginal qualifiers like every other school in the league was doing. It's no wonder our records in BB were reflective of that intransigence.

Herbst and the past three ADs have no clue about UCONN's athletic dept. history and what it takes to win against schools that admit marginal qualifiers. You can't compete against schools that do it. Herbst ought to understand that even her beloved Duke does it. You think schools like Stanford, Northwestern and Vanderbilt could effectively compete at a P5 level without cutting a few admissions corners? Everybody does it...except maybe UCONN. The results on the field speak for themselves. We're not an Ivy League school and never will be.
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I think Stanford is the exception. All the others bend in their admission standards.
 
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noeynox said:
I think Stanford is the exception. All the others bend in their admission standards.
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Really? You think they're putting a perennial Top 25 football program on the field in a P5 conference with strict adherence to their usual Ivy League caliber admission requirements? It can't be done.
 
UConnNick said:
It's like we are reliving the exact same scenario that made us incapable of competing in the old Big East during the first several seasons. We wouldn't admit marginal qualifiers like every other school in the league was doing. It's no wonder our records in BB were reflective of that intransigence.

Herbst and the past three ADs have no clue about UCONN's athletic dept. history and what it takes to win against schools that admit marginal qualifiers. You can't compete against schools that do it. Herbst ought to understand that even her beloved Duke does it. You think schools like Stanford, Northwestern and Vanderbilt could effectively compete at a P5 level without cutting a few admissions corners? Everybody does it...except maybe UCONN. The results on the field speak for themselves. We're not an Ivy League school and never will be.
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People that don't believe UConn is already turning a blind eye to most admission requirements for football and basketball are kidding themselves. Can we go even lower? Sure, but to think those teams are even within punting distance of the standard admissions criteria is crazy.
 
UConnNick said:
Really? You think they're putting a perennial Top 25 football program on the field in a P5 conference with strict adherence to their usual Ivy League caliber admission requirements? It can't be done.
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Stanford I do. Nobody else do I feel that way about. Not a lot of one and dones in BBall and not a lot of early entry candidates in the NFL either. In addition, back when I followed recruiting closely, it was not uncommon to see their recruits also have offers from most/all of the IVY schools.
 
TRest said:
People that don't believe UConn is already turning a blind eye to most admission requirements for football and basketball are kidding themselves. Can we go even lower? Sure, but to think those teams are even within punting distance of the standard admissions criteria is crazy.
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The admissions standards relative to the general student body don’t matter.

The admission standards for athletes relative to other schools does.

It’s also what happens when you get there. It’s not just letting them in - you gotta remove the schoolwork.
 
noeynox said:
Stanford I do. Nobody else do I feel that way about. Not a lot of one and dones in BBall and not a lot of early entry candidates in the NFL either. In addition, back when I followed recruiting closely, it was not uncommon to see their recruits also have offers from most/all of the IVY schools.
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The Ivy Leagues operate on a band system from 4 being top student to 1 being an academic help kid. Which band you fall in is based on your Academic Index (based on SAT and GPA). Out of the 30 kids they are able to bring on in a year, they are allowed a few kids in the 1 and 2 bands but have to take I believe a mandatory 13 kids in Band 4. This balances it all out.
As for Stanford, they do lessen the SAT and GPA requirements for their football players. Depending on how high you rank on their board suggests what your grades can be in order for them to vouch for you in admissions. Preferred walk ons are held to a much higher academic standard then scholarship guys.
 
Hornet22 said:
The Ivy Leagues operate on a band system from 4 being top student to 1 being an academic help kid. Which band you fall in is based on your Academic Index (based on SAT and GPA). Out of the 30 kids they are able to bring on in a year, they are allowed a few kids in the 1 and 2 bands but have to take I believe a mandatory 13 kids in Band 4. This balances it all out.
As for Stanford, they do lessen the SAT and GPA requirements for their football players. Depending on how high you rank on their board suggests what your grades can be in order for them to vouch for you in admissions. Preferred walk ons are held to a much higher academic standard then scholarship guys.
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Good info.
 
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whaler11 said:
The admissions standards relative to the general student body don’t matter.

The admission standards for athletes relative to other schools does.

It’s also what happens when you get there. It’s not just letting them in - you gotta remove the schoolwork.
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Based on what I've heard from people on campus with some former BB players, they couldn't find Gampel without an escort. If Temple can get kids in that we can't, it's a pretty low bar.
 
noeynox said:
So in your opinion he crushed it here? Give me some examples. I mean like besides the genius Diaco hire.
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Well in Michigan's opinion "he crushed here" but I'm sure you are right and they are wrong.
 
TRest said:
Wait until Warde has to replace Harbaugh.
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"Hey buddy! I hear you have an opening... Warde? Warde? I think we were cutoff."
 
CL82 said:
Well in Michigan's opinion "he crushed here" but I'm sure you are right and they are wrong.
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He's an alum. He used UConn as a stepping stone and got ASAP before the Diaco poop bomb exploded. He fixed our apr issues, but the one job he couldn't fail at he absolutely bombed at. Basically, it's like crediting the plumber even though he burnt you're house down.
 
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Dooley said:
Let's all not forget one very important element to Louisville - they are a big-time scam and lied, cheated, and bribed their way to the ACC. But that's how business gets done and they got it done. We were too busy making sure we had perfect APR scores and looking like choir boys/girls that we forgot that the FSUs, Clemsons, UNCs, etc don't give a rat's patoot about ethics or morality. They care about money and only money and UL delivered the case to make more money - legally and illegally - when we didn't.
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I agree on the surface, but I think it's a bit more layered than that. To the extent that Herbst's self-righteousness may help at times is more than offset by her maddening ignorance on matters of general equality. With respect to the Ollie firing, I actually believe that she's been duped into accepting the cause at face value. My impression is that she is shockingly naive, not necessarily in a totally bad way, but in a manner that creates a ton of variance in her choices. The stances she took on Calhoun and Ollie seem like polar opposites - she vigorously pursued a 'fix' for the trivial problems that plagued the program under Calhoun, then emptied the gas chamber when they needed to save money on Ollie. Except, they're only incompatible when viewed through the lens of business interest. In her mind, she's building the ethical foundation first and then recruiting the dollars to sustain it. That's why the things she's good at, like fundraising, have so often confused people into believing she's been good at her job, which...I guess makes perception reality.

The irony is that she had to play dirty - or be fooled into playing dirty, depending on what you believe - to maybe save her legacy.
 
TRest said:
Based on what I've heard from people on campus with some former BB players, they couldn't find Gampel without an escort.
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I thought that was just a Louisville thing? See we were ACC quality all along.
 
TRest said:
Wait until Warde has to replace Harbaugh.
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I imagine he met Harbaugh and thought wow, this guy’s way more stable than my last football coach.

That’s saying something considering Harbaughs demeanor
 
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noeynox said:
He's an alum. He used UConn as a stepping stone and got ASAP before the Diaco poop bomb exploded. He fixed our apr issues, but the one job he couldn't fail at he absolutely bombed at. Basically, it's like crediting the plumber even though he burnt you're house down.
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If you are saying Diaco was certifiably insane and, perhaps more importantly, utterly incompetent as our head football coach, I am in full agreement. As I've posted on many occasions, I can't find too much fault for Warde's hiring of the guy though. He was a Broyles award winning coach and his particular brand of insanity would have come off as quirky enthusiasm in a interview. I think most of us would have pulled the trigger on the guy.
 
I seem to remember Georgia Tech beating Cumberland 222 to nothing.
Rockford 105 TBC 0
USF 80 Wesleyan 3
Georgia Southern vs Johnson C. Smith, 2004
Princeton 115 Virginia 0
Huskers 77 Devils 28
Noles 77 Wolfpack 17
Nebraska 84 Goofers 13 Minnesota
Gators 58 Tigers 3 FLA vs LSU
'Canes 58 Irish 7
Alabama vs Vanderbilt 78 -0 Vandy
Sooners 68 Wildcats 0
Trojans 76 Bruins 0

I could go on, but when you say you have never seen a team so overmatched at any level, ever...I say hmmmmmmm.
 
CL82 said:
If you are saying Diaco was certifiably insane and, perhaps more importantly, utterly incompetent as our head football coach, I am in full agreement. As I've posted on many occasions, I can't find too much fault for Warde's hiring of the guy though. He was a Broyles award winning coach and his particular brand of insanity would have come off as quirky enthusiasm in a interview. I think most of us would have pulled the trigger on the guy.
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He was an easy man crush. Notre Dame, for Fecks sake! And every female member of our tailgating group got all gushy at the Husky walk. Then he started talking. And losing. And talking.
 
CL82 said:
If you are saying Diaco was certifiably insane and, perhaps more importantly, utterly incompetent as our head football coach, I am in full agreement. As I've posted on many occasions, I can't find too much fault for Warde's hiring of the guy though. He was a Broyles award winning coach and his particular brand of insanity would have come off as quirky enthusiasm in a interview. I think most of us would have pulled the trigger on the guy.
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I'd like to pull a trigger on Bobby Diablo, a different sort of trigger than you had in mind. ;)
 
CL82 said:
If you are saying Diaco was certifiably insane and, perhaps more importantly, utterly incompetent as our head football coach, I am in full agreement. As I've posted on many occasions, I can't find too much fault for Warde's hiring of the guy though. He was a Broyles award winning coach and his particular brand of insanity would have come off as quirky enthusiasm in a interview. I think most of us would have pulled the trigger on the guy.
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I just ask by what measure was warde a success here? Easy hire? You can say that about any hire. The important thing was to hire a competent coach a and he failed. That hire set us back a decade easy and pretty much ended the p5 dream, but hey he got hired at Michigan.
 
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