Is there a feud between the B1G and ACC?

[billybud]

FSU already doesn't support equal payouts for Wake.

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ACC Commissioner John Swofford said that the league has had "significant discussions" about revising the league's current policy to distribute revenue generated by league members appearing in bowl games. Swofford also believes a change could come as soon as this bowl season.

As of now, league members split bowl revenue equally. That is likely a point of contention with schools like Florida State and Clemson that invest more dollars in football, represent the league in the biggest revenue-generating postseason games and are forced to split those dollars evenly.

Propelling change, Swofford said there is "a majority feeling in the room that we need to alter the postseason bowl distribution" among the league members.

Still, Swofford said the league will maintain some level of equal sharing, "but how we get to that point of an equal share will change." That suggests the league could look into ways to clear a team's expenses or supplement successful teams prior to splitting the pool of bowl dollars.

 

[FDNY99]

FSU already doesn't support equal payouts for Wake.

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ACC Commissioner John Swofford said that the league has had "significant discussions" about revising the league's current policy to distribute revenue generated by league members appearing in bowl games. Swofford also believes a change could come as soon as this bowl season.

As of now, league members split bowl revenue equally. That is likely a point of contention with schools like Florida State and Clemson that invest more dollars in football, represent the league in the biggest revenue-generating postseason games and are forced to split those dollars evenly.

Propelling change, Swofford said there is "a majority feeling in the room that we need to alter the postseason bowl distribution" among the league members.

Still, Swofford said the league will maintain some level of equal sharing, "but how we get to that point of an equal share will change." That suggests the league could look into ways to clear a team's expenses or supplement successful teams prior to splitting the pool of bowl dollars.

There are more schools than just Wake that fall into this category in the ACC.....BC and Syracuse to name a few.

 

[dwalks93]

If it does go to a P4 (and the champs play in a play off)...the Irish will finally have to go somewhere.

And, since the P4 Champs will already have survived a 16 team conference championship game, I could see a weaning of the non P4 from the playoff.

Allowing only the P4 champions in the playoff would really hurt the playoffs appeal and thus the money it brings in. The NCAA wants to limit inclusion and select the prime match ups but it will never come clean and say that. Instead the NCAA has created a backdoor in the system without admitting the playoffs are a closed shop.

Notice there is a "playoff selection committee" instead of a computer system to pick the playoff teams This is so "important components" like Strength of Schedule and the "eye test" can be used to justify the committee picking who they want.

Currently teams in the G5 have no chance of being selected for the playoff but the NCAA will not say it. The first time a team like Houston goes undefeated they will get passed over for a 1 loss P5 champion. The quotes will be something like "Houston got a nice little team but if they had to play an SEC schedule they would be middle of the pack at best."

The NCAA wants the fans of the G5 team to watch the playoffs so it needs to make them believe there is a chance they could play in it one day. Much like conference realignment, the playoff is all about money and the first rule of greed is to deny greed is driving the process.

The only way I see the P4/5 champions getting an automatic bid is if the playoff moves to 8 teams. Then there would be some at large teams and thus "hope" for others.

 

[Stinger92860]

There are more schools than just Wake that fall into this category in the ACC.....BC and Syracuse to name a few.

Agreed, I just threw out one. Let's see if the BC alarms go off with the mention.

 

[billybud]

Well...if you think that big spending teams in conference are unhappy sharing with Wake Forest...wait until Ohio State, Texas, LSU come up 2nd in their conference and are left out for Western Kentucky and USF.

Basketball with 64+ slots in the tourney is so different than football would be with 16. Yeah, we like to watch the upsets while still knowing that the last non current P5 conference team (excepting UConn) to win a tourney was UNLV in 1990.

 

[tzznandrew]

Well...if you think that big spending teams in conference are unhappy sharing with Wake Forest...wait until Ohio State, Texas, LSU come up 2nd in their conference and are left out for Western Kentucky and USF.

The issue, of course, is short-sighted greed. All those teams lose out here or there to middling NCAAB teams, and they turn out okay. Hell, they thrive.

They aren't going to do it, but you get better viewership when you at least have the illusion that anyone can win the title.

 

[Stinger92860]

That's just the sort of thinking that would ultimately minimize college football's appeal. You have to have potential upsets.

They should be generating interest by having every conference get a team in, and fill out to 16. Mirror the NCAAs. They're be a ton of interest, and you'd get some legendary upsets every now and then.

If they took top 16 (using CFP rankings for those in it), it would have looked like this:

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If they just took two at large schools, based off CFP, you lose Notre Dame, Florida State, TCU, and Ohio State, and give the top four seeds a bye. There'd also probably be rules about what seeds can be to keep conferences apart and avoid rematches.

Regardless, that keeps everyone in the country involved, not just alums of those P5 schools that have won in the past.

That's more playoff games than the NFL. I thought these guys were student athletes not paid professionals. Oh, my bad....

It's getting or gotten to the point where a free education does not cover the income they deliver. Some players should be making 7 figures. How many football players in the SEC who do not play professional football go on to careers based on their academic choices and performance? Why is it we rarely see academic suspensions anymore?

Sarcasm off.

 

[billybud]

The season gets much too long with 16 playoff games...the two finalists would play 17 games.....unless you cut everybody's regular season way back so that teams only played 10 games.

 

[dwalks93]

FSU already doesn't support equal payouts for Wake.

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ACC Commissioner John Swofford said that the league has had "significant discussions" about revising the league's current policy to distribute revenue generated by league members appearing in bowl games. Swofford also believes a change could come as soon as this bowl season.

As of now, league members split bowl revenue equally. That is likely a point of contention with schools like Florida State and Clemson that invest more dollars in football, represent the league in the biggest revenue-generating postseason games and are forced to split those dollars evenly.

Propelling change, Swofford said there is "a majority feeling in the room that we need to alter the postseason bowl distribution" among the league members.

Still, Swofford said the league will maintain some level of equal sharing, "but how we get to that point of an equal share will change." That suggests the league could look into ways to clear a team's expenses or supplement successful teams prior to splitting the pool of bowl dollars.

Thank God for John Swofford. UConn needs realignment to continue and Swofford's leadership of the ACC is just incompetent enough to make it happen.

The leagues that are financially winning run their conferences like a joint venture (SEC, Big10, and PAC10). The conferences that are financially trailing tend to favor their anchor programs (B12 and Texas) and do not equally share revenue.

The Big East allowed a sweetheart deal for ND and it caused hate and discontent which contributed to the Big East's demise. A lot of the current friction in the B12 stems from a belief Texas is receiving disproportiate benefits. Missouri, Nebraska and TA&M all left the Big12 because they wanted to be an equal partner and not second class to Texas.

The ACC and B12 should realize they are making less money than the SEC/Big10 because they lack a network. The goal should be fixing this problem not reshaping the current pot to pay more to the influential teams.

FSU and Clemson are the ACC's big football players right now. But they are not the only ACC programs with options. Team like UNC, UVA, Va Tech, and GT are all potentially attractive to other conferences. The first time the ACC gives a portion of UVA's money to FSU the next call UVA will receive will be from the Big10. Only this time UVA will be a lot more willing to accept the offer. Hopefully when a UVA accepts the B10 offer UCONN will be going with them.

 

[billybud]

What has happened...

In the past, many bowl teams lost money going to the bowl while the stay at home teams reaped a profit. Bowl teams were forced to buy as many as 17,000 tickets at high prices that were undercut by Stubhub and the market and had uncovered expenses.

Now...the teams going to a bowl have expenses cut out for them and conference help with unsold tickets...a major improvement over conditions that perennial bowl teams had in the past. Miami profited by declaring themselves ineligible for a minor bowl...made more money than the teams going...that has been corrected.

A decent compromise.