Is Moriah likely to leave college as the best Uconn PG ever?

[NewCorn]

This is an intriguing discussion. I think that in the future more attention should be given to the ST/TO ratio. It seems to tell us something important about a players contribution. Clearly the value of a high steal total is diminished if a player's turnover total is even higher. Of course that player may be making huge contributions in other other areas such as assists and points.

 

[Waquoit]

I love Mo to death, but when she leaves she will have had just two superstar years. Can we agree that Diana had at least three?

Right, but was Diana ever really a PG? She wasn't when Bird was there. And Maria Conlon was pretty much the PG after Bird. It's a tribute to Mo that she can legitimately be in the same conversation as Sue Bird.

 

[UcMiami]

This is an intriguing discussion. I think that in the future more attention should be given to the ST/TO ratio. It seems to tell us something important about a players contribution. Clearly the value of a high steal total is diminished if a player's turnover total is even higher. Of course that player may be making huge contributions in other other areas such as assists and points.

I like your fascination with that stat, but I think steals is not necessarily an indication of defensive proficiency - there are great defenders who do not get a lot of steals, just like there are great defenders who don't block many shots, or grab lost of defensive rebounds. It is really hard to quantify defensive success - we know it when we see it, but ... And of course good defense depends a lot on 5 players not any individual. And a lot of steals are the result of cheating off your own player and surprising an unaware/inept offensive player.

And turnovers are really a negative offensive stat and generally correlate to assist number - PGs because they handle the ball so much and attempt more passes tend to have more turnovers than their teammates.

So ... while interesting - just not sure it necessarily tells any particular story.

There are various stat compilations that combine all recorded individual stats into a single number - made shots, missed shots, assists, steals, rebounds, turnovers - in an attempt to record a value for productivity while on the court.

 

[j66kicker]

Right, but was Diana ever really a PG? She wasn't when Bird was there. And Maria Conlon was pretty much the PG after Bird. It's a tribute to Mo that she can legitimately be in the same conversation as Sue Bird.

She won the Lieberman award twice, so somebody thought she was, if only part time.

 

[Waquoit]

She won the Lieberman award twice, so somebody thought she was, if only part time.

Good point. Game, set, match

 

[Hongster]

She won the Lieberman award twice, so somebody thought she was, if only part time.

I'm no Lieberman, but if anyone with half vison and like to watch basketball would clearly pick MO!

The Way MO steals the ball should be counted 2 steals because how she did it, how it ended, and how much it shift the momentum of the game.... Another word her steal is like a Mike Tyson knock out.

 

[NewCorn]

I'm no Lieberman, but if anyone with half vison and like to watch basketball would clearly pick MO!

The Way MO steals the ball should be counted 2 steals because how she did it, how it ended, and how much it shift the momentum of the game.... Another word her steal is like a Mike Tyson knock out.

Yes, Moriah, "the wind" puts on a show, the greatest show in wcbb. And it's not a matter of being showy, like doing a dunk. I don't expect we'll see her dunk, although with Mo you never know. Her show is all done in the course of getting the team to a win. How many days until First Night?

 

[Woof 101]

Big difference is that Mo plays with all time greats like Stewart and KML. DT is so far ahead in that respect. Nobody commanded the other teams attention like DT (not even Maya).

As far as pure point goes, obviously Mo is better. But as a player, she's not on DT's level.

But as a player, she's not on DT's level.[/QUOTE] And not many are! I will say though they were and are both a joy to watch. I like and use stats as many do but they can be misleading and often never include the stats of the opponents or the cast a player is surrounded with. Another thing I think most have not noticed is how much the game and the talent level has evolved in the last 20 years. Not saying the woman can mirror the men's game and I would not want them to but the ball handling, shot blocking and overall skills are way beyond what they were just a short time ago.
I loved watching them all and they all brought something different to the table. I will say though I don't think we ever had one that could take the D outlet pass head up the floor at break-neck speed, come to a semi stop, cross over dribble between the legs at mid court, leaving the defender with her shorts down and in two steps be back to full speed and go the hoop, ignoring the of the size of the gate keepers waiting.
I love the fact we get one more season of watching that.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I don't know about "the best," but clearly she can do some things that none of her predecessors did. She is probably the best defender among our elite PGs and uses her quickness and speed to simply take over games. Plus, her shooting percentage is at the KML/EDD/Maya level. It's off the charts for PGs. I think Skylar won a Lieberman by shooting 20 percentage points lower, at least from the arc.