I don't see how Lebron going to LA is helping his legacy. He's obviously trying to create some sort of "super team" out there which may happen with this summer's free agency but missing the playoffs and being an NBA vagabond doesn't seem like the best way to try and prove you are as good or better than Jordan.
Rude, selfish, crude, bad sport, no class.
He’s also one of, if not the, most well spoken Superstars sport has ever seen. Not a blemish on his record, does so much for the community, etc. He is someone our kids should look up to.
I never thought that LeBron went to L.A. for basketball. His basketball legacy is secure. It is this: Arguably the best ever. He could win 0 more games or 6 more titles and that would not change. He'd still be: Arguably the best ever. People will point to his finals losses, handpicking teams, quitting at one point, passing on clutch shots, and so on, to argue against him. Whether or not he wins any more games.
He can definitely be a role model for kids and hasn't gotten in any trouble but one of, if not the, most well spoken superstars sport has ever seen?
LeBron plainly isn't particularly well-spoken, and certainly we could quickly throw out a bunch of superstars who are/were better spoken (Kareem, e.g.), but saying some guy is "the best" without much support has nothing to do with respect or lack of respect for others.
I mean, at least in my lifetime I can’t remember a more well-spoken world star, one who has endures all the criticism in the world, and then some. Who are you thinking of that saying this is disrespectful towards?
Has taken 1200+ fewer shots. And LeBron isn’t even a scorer.
Thanks for expressing your great interest in LeBron and the Lakers
lol MJ needed to go to college for 3 years under Dean Smith, then needed Phil, then needed a few HOFers and the Bad Boys to get old in order to get out of his own conference
He's crying and the LA fans simply give him a golf clap. Quite an awkward moment.
I know I'm asking for it, but the this threads comments about Kobe are really surprising. Why the hate? Seriously. I hear these comments and I seriously want to know what was it about Kobe's game and career that invalidates top 10 status.
He’s definitely top 10, however closer to the fringe and KD has a shot if he goes 4 straight in GS then goes to a Clippers or a Knicks and wins a ‘ship. I think right behind Kobe right now you have Bird, Jerry West, Shaq, Big O, and Hakeem in some order. Some of those are some serious names left for KD to pass, albeit he isn’t super far off
When compared to other greats, Kobe was an inefficient gunner whose defense was very good in 2000-2005ish and then was pretty bad afterwards, but he racked up All Defensive Team placements due to people loving him. His best defensive year, through defensive WAR, was 4.5. That would equal LeBron's 8th best year and be Jordan's 9th. Most of Kobe's defensive box +/- were actually in the negative, and his highest year (where it was +1.7) would be LeBron's 11th and equal Jordan's 4th (though Jordan's only negative year was the year he broke his leg; LeBron, his rookie year).
If you’re implying you think he isn’t top 10, who do you put in front of him?
If we're talking career, I'd put:
Then why is Hakeem even in your top 10? Lol there was this guy named Kareem too
I’d have to squint real hard to have Hakeem in the top 10. I think you could argue Bird ahead of Kobe on that list you made (which I actually totally agree with) but I wouldn’t
See my point above. If we're measuring peak, I'd put him probably behind the guys that @i
Durant's a better Kobe without the longevity. His peak defense is the same or better, his peak offense is significantly more efficient. If he plays 5 more years at roughly this level I'd put him ahead of Kobe easy, particularly if he wins a title this year and passes Kobe in Finals MVPs.
They’ve applied today’s statistical analyses to prior eras and really, from an offensive standpoint, only one or two GS teams have been up there with some of the Bulls and Showtime teams.
Childhood anecdotal nostalgia is pretty much the worst part of these debates.
Because there are a lot of amazing players who have played this game. He could sneak in the top 10 all-time for some but he's just not in the group with MJ, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Lebron, Bird, Russell, and Oscar. I also have Hakeem, Shaq, and Duncan ahead of him but someone could argue he's ahead of them. Dr. J is also right there but seems to be forgotten all the time and Durant will probably move ahead of him on most peoples lists.
