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Is Kyle Neptune cooked, after Villanova loss to Columbia?

I think it is good for UConn to have worthy rivals. The Villanova program has had a complete melton since Jay Wright left. Is losing to Columbia the final straw for Neptune?
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
 
It is KOisk. Please don't bring me back to those days

Has Neptune won a national championship?

The 6 coaches that KO beat in the 2014 tournament have a combined 6 National Championships, 23 Final Four appearances, and a combined 3,295 and 1,504 record. Not bad.
 
Every head coach in Villanova history are either 1) alumni, 2) former VU assistant coaches or 3) former coaches at nearby Philadelphia schools. Rollie was hired from Penn, Lappas and Wright worked under Massimino, Neptune under Wright. That's the culture.
 
Every head coach in Villanova history are either 1) alumni, 2) former VU assistant coaches or 3) former coaches at nearby Philadelphia schools. Rollie was hired from Penn, Lappas and Wright worked under Massimino, Neptune under Wright. That's the culture.
Think that’s about to change. Because this is an unmitigated disaster.
 
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
Marquette, St. John’s, and Xavier.
 
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I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
Well considering only 8 teams can make it to the elite 8, having 2 teams capable of doing that is pretty good if you ask me
 
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
There is only one team in the Big East I root for. I never get why people feel the need to root for the other teams in their conference. I only care about being the best team not the best conference.
 
KO won a national title. Sure after the natty it turned to a total shat show but KO was far more successful than Neptune.

We were good in 2013 and 2016 as well

DHam not coming back was the beginning of his downturn, and our dark ages

And I was there, and here, through it all. Although I was a tad less sober, and a lot more miserable, I was here
 
If I'm Villanova, I ask Jay Wright to work his Hofstra/Villanova connections and help lure Speedy Claxton to Villanova.

He's done an incredible job at Hofstra and runs a fun style of basketball. Would be the jolt Villanova desperately needs.

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If I'm Villanova, I ask Jay Wright to work his Hofstra/Villanova connections and help lure Speedy Claxton to Villanova.

He's done an incredible job at Hofstra and runs a fun style of basketball. Would be the jolt Villanova desperately needs.

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Nova should be getting the best coach in the country.

Speedy might be good but he's never won a tournament game and he took over a very healthy program from Joe Mihalich.
 
If I'm Villanova, I ask Jay Wright to work his Hofstra/Villanova connections and help lure Speedy Claxton to Villanova.

He's done an incredible job at Hofstra and runs a fun style of basketball. Would be the jolt Villanova desperately needs.

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He wasn't at all on my radar as a potential high major HC until you brought him up. Looks like he's got a really solid history... obviously as a player, but in addition to that he has great scouting experience, been assistant coach for long time, really good HC record for where he's at. Only question mark is if he can recruit at a truly elite level that Nova warrants.
 
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Nova should be getting the best coach in the country.

Speedy might be good but he's never won a tournament game and he took over a very healthy program from Joe Mihalich.

But to be fair, how often do CAA teams ever win a tournament game? Maybe he needs a middle step before Nova, but if he's coaching for his alma mater, he may not want to go to many other places other than a Villanova type job.
 
There is only one team in the Big East I root for. I never get why people feel the need to root for the other teams in their conference. I only care about being the best team not the best conference.
I want the other Big East teams to do well out of conference because it helps UConn. The better the conference, the easier it is to recruit. I root for them in the NCAA tourney as well. Obviously I root for UConn above all of that, but the rooting is still to help UConn.
 
But to be fair, how often do CAA teams ever win a tournament game? Maybe he needs a middle step before Nova, but if he's coaching for his alma mater, he may not want to go to many other places other than a Villanova type job.
Not often but Nova already made a horrible small time hire with Neptune when they should've hired the best available coach in the country. Expecting to hit another home run hire out of Hofsta would be silly, IMO. Hire the best available coach in the country, someone who has been on multiple tournament runs and is a proven big time recruiter and big time coach.

Since they screwed up so royally with Neptune they can't afford another "let's hope it works out" hire.
 
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
Sad to say UConn will probably need to jettison itself from the Big East in the not-too-distant future and latch on with a power conference.
 
Neptune has some time to dig himself out of the hole he has put himself into. But he needs to do it this year.
 
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I get your point but Big East is a power conference in basketball.
Should have clarified when I say power conference, I'm talking about the big 3 in all sports (SEC/B12/B10). Honestly, I don't think you can really lump the ACC in with those 3 even though technically they are one of the P4.
 
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
Xavier and st johns. Most surprise teams benefit from a bracket collapse. See duke last year. Creighton and Marquette were better last year . St. Johns, georgtown are clearly better this year. Providence has a great class coming in next year. If villanova gets a new coach, they can be good next year with the portal. Marquette failed to make a run with 2 great teams which hurt the conference. 5 bid league and hopefully things break in big east favor.
 
Nova should be getting the best coach in the country.

Speedy might be good but he's never won a tournament game and he took over a very healthy program from Joe Mihalich.
So are you saying they should be getting Dan Hurley, the best coach in America?
 
I think the Big East is in trouble. Besides UConn and Creighton, who else in this conference do you see being able to make a run in the NCAA? Not just make the dance, but go to the Elite 8 or better? Hate to say it, but the overall quality of the conference is at a pretty low point.
LOL other than the Big 12 and SEC who has more than 2 that could be elite 8 caliber? Not the ACC or Big 10 so just the Big12 and SEC and both are loaded. I would put Marquette, Xavier, and St. Johns up with anything else the ACC or Big 10 can throw at that wall.
 
I don’t care how he rallies the rest of the season, they’ll regret it if they don’t get rid of him. You’ve gotta rip that bandaid off asap.
 
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I'd certainly reach out to TJ Oztelberger, Grant McCasland, maybe Ryan Odom if he has a strong year.

Unfortunately last year was such a big cycle in terms of big jobs, most of the decent+mobile candidates have been recently plucked. Might need to see who pops this year.
 
Sad to say UConn will probably need to jettison itself from the Big East in the not-too-distant future and latch on with a power conference.
The argument of those stuck in the BE will make is that because they don’t have to wrestle with FB, is that all their resources are put into hoops and that will keep them relevant as a top hoops conference. This is generally faulty thinking because the trend is because of football, the P4 programs have big TV deals and the $$ to sink into other sports, while also building their overall brand nationally.

You then see this vividly in top recruits, who have their pick of the litter in programs and going to P4 conferences. In today’s world the most marketable programs will be those that send their players to the NBA and keep their brand alive well beyond graduation.

With COVID years gone offering college players the added year and stunting development of HS kids, you’re now seeing a movement back to impact freshman, as we’re seeing. The two best players on the court last night for AZSt were talented freshman.

The BE is going to have to find ways of manufacturing sustainable success versus the top programs which will attract the A+ talent. Doable potentially but uphill. Can you win with predominantly 80+ types and developing/retaining year over year?
Butler may be interesting to watch over the next couple years as they’re bringing in a decent class with 4 of those type of kids, and Matta is thought to be a good coach.
 
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I watched much of the St Joes game

Fundamentally unsound, giving up uncontested layups, and running ugly offense

He's gotta go, the sooner the better for Nova
 
I watched much of the St Joes game

Fundamentally unsound, giving up uncontested layups, and running ugly offense

He's gotta go, the sooner the better for Nova
Boggles my mind in today’s world of information at your finger tips, resources and data/analytics that a coach can suck this bad. How hard is it to teach a movement and spacing offense? You can google it. When you see Hurley, Oates and Pope at the top of the game using it successfully why would you ever think running a stand around and watch one guy go is a good idea? It’s one thing if you’re middling and fine tuning something it’s another when you take good players and make them a sh8tty team year over year.

Maybe Neptune has no interest in being good and just took the payday to leverage into his own high end mock turtle neck line.
 
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