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Is it just me or is it absolute BS that Memphis gets to play this tournament at home?

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According to the AAC commish, Memphis is the front-runner for next years AAC tourney.

Q: The league holds a one-year option to re-up with Memphis as tournament host for 2015. Do you support doing that?

A: Memphis is the front-runner potentially for a second year ... There are a lot of things in Memphis to savor. We just want to make sure we have done our due diligence relative to points of interest elsewhere. It’s always possible we could make a decision coming out of our tournament but I just don’t know yet.
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Gotta be New Orleans. I went to school there for 4 years and it is the perfect place for any type of event.
 
Danpisco12 said:
Gotta be New Orleans. I went to school there for 4 years and it is the perfect place for any type of event.
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The advantage or disadvantage, depending how UConn does, of having the tournament in New Orleans is I would not likely remember how they did by the time I got home (if I got home).
 
I would rotate it between Memphis, Nola and Mohegan. 3 great spots to host it.

Danpisco12 said:
Gotta be New Orleans. I went to school there for 4 years and it is the perfect place for any type of event.
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John said:
eh, no biggie. St John's played home games for years. What's the big deal???
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They were situated in a city with lots of competing interests and didn't have a lot of fans over the last 20 years, so it didn't matter. We're going to be playing a true road game, which is pretty annoying for a neutral conference tournament.

To illustrate the power of home court advantage: We finished higher in the AAC standings, have better KenPom and RPI rankings, most importantly swept the Tigers... and we're going to be ~3-point underdogs when the vegas lines show up.
 
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auror said:
They were situated in a city with lots of competing interests and didn't have a lot of fans over the last 20 years, so it didn't matter. We're going to be playing a true road game, which is pretty annoying for a neutral conference tournament.

To illustrate the power of home court advantage: We finished higher in the AAC standings, have better KenPom and RPI rankings, most importantly swept the Tigers... and we're going to be ~3-point underdogs when the vegas lines show up.
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Wow, is that revisionist history if I ever heard it. The only time St. Johns was not at lest a moderate power is the Brian Mahaney years (Between Lou and Fran Frascilla) and the 3rd year of Mike Jarvis's tenure, which happens to coincide with Big East Tournament eligibility changes and a bunch of scandals, which made the school reign in the basketball program. Beside Norm Roberts being a terrible head coach, any coach following Jarvis would have to accept having at least one hand tied behind his back.

MSG was to St. Johns what The Civic Center is to UConn. If the Tournament was to be held in Hartford, you can be sure that a bunch of opponents' fans would be saying the same thing. The only difference between now and the Big East Tournaments of old is that UConn fans are not a train ride away. It's a pretty big difference to us, but not to the set up of a conference tournament.
 
Husky25 said:
Wow, is that revisionist history if I ever heard it.
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I'm not sure how implying St. Johns has been bad/haven't had a lot of fans over the last 20 years is revisionist history. They've won the Big East tournament once in the last 20 years, and that was almost 15 years ago and have no regular season Big East championships in that timeframe. As for fans, they are 9th/10 of current Big East teams in 5-year attendance averages (and Butler is the only team behind them, but had a better attendance last year, so St. John's might soon be last), and were 13th in 5-year attendance in the old Big East.
 
Memphis is the perfect place for it.

They're the only group that's actually enthused about the conference. It's not going to sell tickets anywhere else - it's not like the Big East Tournament where we were guaranteed to fill the place with UConn, SU, etc.

You need locals for this kind of tournament and you won't get that in Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, etc.
 
auror said:
I'm not sure how implying St. Johns has been bad/haven't had a lot of fans over the last 20 years is revisionist history. They've won the Big East tournament once in the last 20 years, and that was almost 15 years ago and have no regular season Big East championships in that timeframe. As for fans, they are 9th/10 of current Big East teams in 5-year attendance averages (and Butler is the only team behind them, but had a better attendance last year, so St. John's might soon be last), and were 13th in 5-year attendance in the old Big East.
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So you're saying that because St. Johns has not won the Big East Tournament in 15 years, it was not played at St. Johns' secondary home court for almost the entirety of the Old Big East's existence.

Got it.

I disagree.

St. Johns' relevance has nothing to do with the fact that the BET was in fact played at MSG. That's like saying that it would be okay for the AAC Tournament to be played at FedEx Forum if Memphis was terrible. Either they are both okay, or both not. St. Johns' on campus gym is tiny and they used MSG a lot. Secondary court vs. primary court is irrelevant. It's their home arena and I'll bet Providence feels it tomorrow.
 
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Husky25 said:
So you're saying that because St. Johns has not won the Big East Tournament in 15 years, it was not played at St. Johns' secondary home court for almost the entirety of the Old Big East's existence.

Got it.

I disagree.

St. Johns' relevance has nothing to do with the fact that the BET was in fact played at MSG. That's like saying that it would be okay for the AAC Tournament to be played at FedEx Forum if Memphis was terrible. Either they are both okay, or both not. St. Johns' on campus gym is tiny and they used MSG a lot. Secondary court vs. primary court is irrelevant. It's their home arena and I'll bet Providence feels it tomorrow.
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I'm sure there's a suitable arena in, say, Montana that'd be happy to have our conference tournament, and that way it's fair to everyone because no one will be having a home game :rolleyes:
 
Husky25 said:
So you're saying that because St. Johns has not won the Big East Tournament in 15 years, it was not played at St. Johns' secondary home court for almost the entirety of the Old Big East's existence.

Got it.

I disagree.
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What? I never said that. I said they had no fans there. It might've been secondary home court, but because nobody showed up, the other teams weren't disadvantaged.
 
auror said:
What? I never said that. I said they had no fans there. It might've been secondary home court, but because nobody showed up, the other teams weren't disadvantaged.
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It's really not worth arguing about because that's exactly what you said. Fan support has exactly zero to do with the FACT that MSG is St. Johns' home court. Period. The end. Class dismissed.
 
Husky25 said:
It's really not worth arguing about because that's exactly what you said. Fan support has exactly zero to do with the FACT that MSG is St. Johns' home court. Period. The end. Class dismissed.
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Class is back in session. It was a fire drill
 
Husky25 said:
It's really not worth arguing about because that's exactly what you said. Fan support has exactly zero to do with the FACT that MSG is St. Johns' home court. Period. The end. Class dismissed.
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Def. put it in Mississippi - no home court advantage, and it's kinda-sorta in the middle of the conference. Crowds will be HUUUGGGGEEEE I'm sure

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John said:
Def. put it in Mississippi - no home court advantage, and it's kinda-sorta in the middle of the conference. Crowds will be HUUUGGGGEEEE I'm sure

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Kidding aside, looking at this map I realize that Tennessee IS in the relative geographic center of the Dumpster Fire
 
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Husky25 said:
It's really not worth arguing about because that's exactly what you said. Fan support has exactly zero to do with the FACT that MSG is St. Johns' home court. Period. The end. Class dismissed.
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Show me where I said that it wasn't St. Johns' home court, please. Seriously. I'll wait.

Using caps lock, bold, and underline to argue something I'm not even disputing, after saying it wasn't worth arguing, just rubs me the wrong way.
 
auror said:
Show me where I said that it wasn't St. Johns' home court, please. Seriously. I'll wait.

Using caps lock, bold, and underline to argue something I'm not even disputing, after saying it wasn't worth arguing, just rubs me the wrong way.
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You said it didn't matter that MSG is their home court. If it didn't matter for St. Johns, it shouldn't matter for Memphis. You know the whole Goose/Gander thing? Same things applies.
 
Husky25 said:
You said it didn't matter that MSG is their home court. If it didn't matter for St. Johns, it shouldn't matter for Memphis. You know the whole Goose/Gander thing? Same things applies.
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St. John's averaged 8,116.75 fans in their MSG games during '12/'13. Most was senior night against Marquette, 12,474. Capacity of MSG is 19,812 for an average ratio of 41% full for St. John's games.

Memphis had 16,336 fans in their FedEx Forum games during '12/'13, from a capacity of 18,119. That's an average fill ratio of 90%.

But I'm sure you're right. It doesn't matter if Memphis' fans (historically) fill their respective stadium more than double the average of St. Johns'. The home court advantage in the conference tournament will be the same no matter any of this. John was right, no biggie, won't have any increased effect. /s
 
Husky25 said:
You said it didn't matter that MSG is their home court. If it didn't matter for St. Johns, it shouldn't matter for Memphis. You know the whole Goose/Gander thing? Same things applies.
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This is like someone parodying an exaggerated version of the world's most annoying person. Let it go.
 
Since Memphis isn't that good this year it isn't a huge deal but it is kind of unfair how the league tailored the TV games to the host school. The Big East never did that, I recall a good St. John's team (I believe Lavin's first year) playing in the afternoon session in that infamous Rutgers game where Jim Burr blew the game for the Scarlet Knights.
 
And if UConn were in the ACC this year, the Huskies would be playing in Duke's backyard, in Greensboro.
 
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kobe said:
Since Memphis isn't that good this year it isn't a huge deal but it is kind of unfair how the league tailored the TV games to the host school. The Big East never did that, I recall a good St. John's team (I believe Lavin's first year) playing in the afternoon session in that infamous Rutgers game where Jim Burr blew the game for the Scarlet Knights.
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Yep, we're terrible...don't worry about us, UConn...start thinking about that match-up with Cincy. :-)
 
auror said:
St. John's averaged 8,116.75 fans in their MSG games during '12/'13. Most was senior night against Marquette, 12,474. Capacity of MSG is 19,812 for an average ratio of 41% full for St. John's games.

Memphis had 16,336 fans in their FedEx Forum games during '12/'13, from a capacity of 18,119. That's an average fill ratio of 90%.

But I'm sure you're right. It doesn't matter if Memphis' fans (historically) fill their respective stadium more than double the average of St. Johns'. The home court advantage in the conference tournament will be the same no matter any of this. John was right, no biggie, won't have any increased effect. /s
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Do you have those figures available from 1983 - 2000 for St. Johns? I've already told you why St. Johns went down the pooper, but that also doesn't take away from the fact that each Big East Tournament game that they play was/is a defacto home game for St. Johns. Keep on justifying it if that allows you to sleep beter at night. I have no problem taking McCracken's advice on this topic because I have right on my side.

I suggest you take his advice as well...
 
UofMemphis said:
Yep, we're terrible...don't worry about us, UConn...start thinking about that match-up with Cincy. :)
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Kobe is a Cinci fan, so I guess they think Uconn sucks too since we have the same record
 
kobe said:
Since Memphis isn't that good this year it isn't a huge deal but it is kind of unfair how the league tailored the TV games to the host school. The Big East never did that, I recall a good St. John's team (I believe Lavin's first year) playing in the afternoon session in that infamous Rutgers game where Jim Burr blew the game for the Scarlet Knights.
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Really???
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
This is like someone parodying an exaggerated version of the world's most annoying person. Let it go.
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Certainly. But you are free not to read as much as I am free to write.
 
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