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Is Hurley Really The Answer?

JMick said:
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Problem with this theory is that the "trolling" being done doesn't do anything to detract from the UConn MBB brand, nor is it humorous in any way. Much more likely it's just honest UConn fans who are simply being contrarian (those that suggest random coach X over Hurley), or fans that don't have a ton of knowledge on the landscape (those that think UConn needs to hold out for Donovan or bring JC back).
 
Deadrody said:
Unfortunately, especially in response to Jimdish255's post, what you're hoping for is some kind of magical, catch lightning in a jar, kind of hire.

I just don't think you'll actually find that in a tiny, tiny sample size of a couple games in one NCAA tournament, that you'll discover the next great coach that wasn't already on people's radar. You'll get much further looking at someone's body of work as coach, over multiple seasons, and even multiple schools, including recruiting, than just someone who gets their team on one good run for a couple games. You're destined for heartbreak if you go that route.
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My wife always cautions me about how people might perceive what I mean when I say some things with a humorous intent. I was just trying in a lighthearted way to say there are many of us fans who want what we had and many apparently might even believe it's their birthright. But, so what, we're fans and we can't stand to see where we've been dumped while Pittsburgh, PITTSBURG for crying out loud, is in a much better league.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I wasn't directing the "settling" comments at you, that was to other posters.

What are his accomplishments beyond these two games? I've been over my arguments on Oats/Hurley in a very nuanced way in a prior post. He went 37-30 in his first two seasons and lost in the first round of the tournament. He took over a Buffalo program already in good condition. He's a legitimate flight risk to another college HC job. He has no recruiting ties to this area. He has no connection to UConn whatsoever. He has only three years of HC experience. All of these things do not apply to Dan Hurley.

You can continue to ignore all of these comments all you want and claim I'm rushing to judgment and summarily ignoring Oats - I'm not. He may well turn out to be a great coach, he's off to a great start in his career. But he's not proven himself as a program builder, nor does he have lengthy HC experience. While I wouldn't be unhappy if he was the hire, I think he's much less of a fit for UConn specifically.
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Uconnfanatic is right that we should all hope the AD does an honest search and didn't just look at one guy and line up a couple ringers to make it look like there was a field of several candidates. Hopefully he sought the advice of Calhoun and others to help him use the right criteria to make his decision and if he did we need to pray he makes a good choice. Rushing to hire one guy without thoroughly evaluating several others and ranking them in order can also be a disaster if, for some reason, a deal can't be done with the first choice. We don't need to do what Rutgers did when they struck out on a couple guys before hiring Pikiell.

I also think it's unfair to mention Oats' first two years and disregard his third year in which he went 27-9 and won his league. And, the condition of the Buffalo program when he took over is questionable because Bobby took the 2nd leading scorer to AZ ST with him and the best player (MAC player of the year) and two others were dismissed from the team the summer before Oats' first year of coaching for stealing $650 from members of the football team. This year's best players were underclassmen he brought in along with a transfer from Missouri who had played for him at the high school he coached before Bobby hired him as his first assistant when he took the Buffalo job, and he has what appears to be a very good recruiting class.
 
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djct1999 said:
Not one of Borges's best. Basically states the obvious. Money was always going to be the issue; An issue that no one is more familiar with than AD DB. That said, wouldn't it be suspicious for DB to make this decision so quickly while totally disregarding the money aspect of it? You don't fire KO without being fully confident you can land your top choice.
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Honestly? No. Because like I said from the beginning - people around here were making waaaaay to big a deal about the money. Partly to be over the top about how the team has fallen into the abyss and others who really liked Kevin Ollie and were desperately looking for a crutch.

Bottom line: It's UConn, they'll find it if they have to.
 
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Idk if this has been discussed -

So we might owe KO $11m...
On top of that pay URI Hurley’s buyout $..
how much is it to buyout Hurley from URI? $1-$2m?
 
Austin316 said:
Idk if this has been discussed -
So we might owe KO $11m...
On top of that pay URI Hurley’s buyout $..
how much is it to buyout Hurley from URI? $1-$2m?
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His buyout is 1.5m. We'd have to compensate him for that in some fashion.
 
Austin316 said:
Idk if this has been discussed -

So we might owe KO $11m...
On top of that pay URI Hurley’s buyout $..
how much is it to buyout Hurley from URI? $1-$2m?
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Thank god Susan put 1/3 of our endowment in Bitcoin when it was trading at 300. Time to sell Susie, we have a coach to pay!
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
They weren't neutralized by the St. Joes, Villanova, Iowa State, Michigan State, Florida, or Kentucky guards. That's all that matters.
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My point was that the season saw them go barely over .500 and was a bubble team but for an amazing run in the BE Tourney. The team including Ollie went on an epic run and that can't ever be taken away. And you're right, all that matters is March.
 
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Marty Jackson said:
If it's Hurley, would love to see Moore come home. He's been involved in the recruiting of so many top UConn recruits from the 90's...
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Saw rumors somewhere, maybe URI board, that Moore was being considered for the job at Bryant.
 
Scrutiner said:
Uconnfanatic is right that we should all hope the AD does an honest search and didn't just look at one guy and line up a couple ringers to make it look like there was a field of several candidates. Hopefully he sought the advice of Calhoun and others to help him use the right criteria to make his decision and if he did we need to pray he makes a good choice. Rushing to hire one guy without thoroughly evaluating several others and ranking them in order can also be a disaster if, for some reason, a deal can't be done with the first choice. We don't need to do what Rutgers did when they struck out on a couple guys before hiring Pikiell.

I also think it's unfair to mention Oats' first two years and disregard his third year in which he went 27-9 and won his league. And, the condition of the Buffalo program when he took over is questionable because Bobby took the 2nd leading scorer to AZ ST with him and the best player (MAC player of the year) and two others were dismissed from the team the summer before Oats' first year of coaching for stealing $650 from members of the football team. This year's best players were underclassmen he brought in along with a transfer from Missouri who had played for him at the high school he coached before Bobby hired him as his first assistant when he took the Buffalo job, and he has what appears to be a very good recruiting class.
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I'm just going to throw out a theory for you, @Uconnfanatic and @Kathy and anybody else who is concerned that we're jumping in too quickly on Hurley.

I am confident, that our AD started looking at candidates to replace Ollie after last year's dismal season. I am even more certain that discussions with informed people, probably including Jim Calhoun, about potentially available coaches, have been ongoing for months. I suspect that we've talked to the agents for every reasonable name you've seen mentioned. I am positive that we've reviewed their history and have kicked their tires. That means Dave, and Beth and everybody in the AD reaching out to their contacts and getting behind the scenes impressions on these coaches. That has been going on for some time. I believe they had narrowed the list long before they made the firing of Ollie official. Anything less would be malpractice.

So if people are proceeding on the basis that this all just started the day after our season ended, then you're proceeding on a faulty set of assumptions. They even officially hired a (pointless) search firm. You have to move very rapidly or you will lose your target in this market. That's why I guarantee you that they had spent a lot of time looking at candidates at least back to the fall, if not before that. I don't know if we will hire Hurley or not. But if we do, it wasn't because we didn't take a long look at others.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm just going to throw out a theory for you, @Uconnfanatic and @Kathy and anybody else who is concerned that we're jumping in too quickly on Hurley.

I am confident, that our AD started looking at candidates to replace Ollie after last year's dismal season. I am even more certain that discussions with informed people, probably including Jim Calhoun, about potentially available coaches, have been ongoing for months. I suspect that we've talked to the agents for every reasonable name you've seen mentioned. I am positive that we've reviewed their history and have kicked their tires. That means Dave, and Beth and everybody in the AD reaching out to their contacts and getting behind the scenes impressions on these coaches. That has been going on for some time. I believe they had narrowed the list long before they made the firing of Ollie official. Anything less would be malpractice.

So if people are proceeding on the basis that this all just started the day after our season ended, then you're proceeding on a faulty set of assumptions. They even officially hired a (pointless) search firm. You have to move very rapidly or you will lose your target in this market. That's why I guarantee you that they had spent a lot of time looking at candidates at least back to the fall, if not before that. I don't know if we will hire Hurley or not. But if we do, it wasn't because we didn't take a long look at others.
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He is pretty much the only realistic legitimate candidate that has even been indentified.

They have to land him. If they don’t we might get Diacoed.
 
I don’t advocate for Oats RIGHT NOW, I do think eventually he’s a great candidate for a major but right now, for many reasons, he’s still not quite there.

But for any of the previous discussions of him being a real candidate, he spoke super glowingly of Buffalo as a city that’s embraced him, and also his incoming recruiting class with Jeenathan. Then this happened with our morning hosts:

Host 1 (no major school interest): great job this year Nate, and stick around will ya?
NO: that’s the plan.
Host 1: good, that’s a good plan. (Hang up)
Host 2 (Cuse grad): ITS NOT MY IDEA BUT I did hear some people ask me over the weekend, hey what if Boeheim retires in a few years...Oats?
Host 1: (Yells at him for being a P5 bully)
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I'm just going to throw out a theory for you, @Uconnfanatic and @Kathy and anybody else who is concerned that we're jumping in too quickly on Hurley.

I am confident, that our AD started looking at candidates to replace Ollie after last year's dismal season. I am even more certain that discussions with informed people, probably including Jim Calhoun, about potentially available coaches, have been ongoing for months. I suspect that we've talked to the agents for every reasonable name you've seen mentioned. I am positive that we've reviewed their history and have kicked their tires. That means Dave, and Beth and everybody in the AD reaching out to their contacts and getting behind the scenes impressions on these coaches. That has been going on for some time. I believe they had narrowed the list long before they made the firing of Ollie official. Anything less would be malpractice.

So if people are proceeding on the basis that this all just started the day after our season ended, then you're proceeding on a faulty set of assumptions. They even officially hired a (pointless) search firm. You have to move very rapidly or you will lose your target in this market. That's why I guarantee you that they had spent a lot of time looking at candidates at least back to the fall, if not before that. I don't know if we will hire Hurley or not. But if we do, it wasn't because we didn't take a long look at others.
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Yup. It's why it's been so frustrating to discuss this with some people on this board. They have made fundamentally stupid assumptions, and proceeding from those assumptions forward.

Or, of course, they're sock puppets.
 
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tzznandrew said:
Yup. It's why it's been so frustrating to discuss this with some people on this board. They have made fundamentally stupid assumptions, and proceeding from those assumptions forward.

Or, of course, they're sock puppets.
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I have no idea why, but you're the second person I've seen use sock puppets as an insult recently. Is that coming back?

I'm cool with Hurley, I just wanted to see the board discuss some other legit candidates (NOT JT3 etc.). I heard some great points on Oats. I'm good Hurley coming here, myself. But I guess after the last 2 years I wanted to at least hear other options because I'm preparing for the worst.
 
the Q said:
I have no idea why, but you're the second person I've seen use sock puppets as an insult recently. Is that coming back?

I'm cool with Hurley, I just wanted to see the board discuss some other legit candidates (NOT JT3 etc.). I heard some great points on Oats. I'm good Hurley coming here, myself. But I guess after the last 2 years I wanted to at least hear other options because I'm preparing for the worst.
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Sockpuppet (Internet) - Wikipedia

We have people on our board who do this on other forums. No reason to think it doesn't go both ways.
 
^^ So all the other insiders who say the exact opposite are lying?
 
intlzncster said:
And we would have lost to them if we played them in the NCAAs. That team was perfectly built to kill us. Their guards were mostly small and quick, and they had one of the all-time UCONN killers in Montrezl Harrell.

The luckiest we got in that tournament was not vs St Joes, but on selection sunday when we were as far away from Louisville as possible.
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There is a lot of luck involved in winning NCAA tournaments. A lot of skill, desire and coaching, but a lot of luck also. Syracuse would not have won it's championship with Carmelo if they had to play us in the Tourney. Our guards were too physical and athletic for McNamara to do anything, and without a secondary scorer they weren't going to win. But they didn't have to play us and they beat everyone they played. As we did in '14.
 
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djct1999 said:
Not one of Borges's best. Basically states the obvious. Money was always going to be the issue; An issue that no one is more familiar with than AD DB. That said, wouldn't it be suspicious for DB to make this decision so quickly while totally disregarding the money aspect of it? You don't fire KO without being fully confident you can land your top choice.
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When he fired Diaco, he clearly had a plan as to money he had available and what he'd be able to get for that money. I think it's safe to assume he had a plan this week as well. Whether Hurley is the plan or not, time will tell.
 
TopDogs said:
Who is this Coaching Changes account? He seems to be singing a different tune almost every day. Wasn't it yesterday that he said Hurley to UConn by Tuesday? Or am I getting my random Twitter accounts crossed?
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It’s several different people sharing an account and relaying rumors that people DM them.
 
8893 said:
That would be a kick in the nads.

I haven't been following the rest of the coaching carousel; where is Mack rumored to be going?
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hopefully UConn.
 
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