Iowa St - Potential Dynasty

[Fishy]

The next motherf---er who drags a thread over here from another board is gonna go on vacation.

 

[sdhusky]

Dynasty is a strong word but I don't see why they can't be the second best program in the Big 12 after Kansas as long as Hoiberg is around. It's not exactly a conference littered with good basketball schools. Kansas State has already fell off once Huggybear left and Texas will be their usual up-and-down, underachieving self under Barnes.

He's that good of a coach IMO to bring them to that level. Who knows if they'll ever be national contenders or a real powerhouse though. Having a 25-year-old as your best player doesn't hurt either lol.

Based on his magical runs to the final 32 or his magical run to the sweet 16?

I mean, how many coaches can make the sweet 16? Can't be more than a dozen or so each year, right?

 

[CL82]

I hear that they are the best team in their elevator.

 

[Danzz]

This was going to be my question. I seriously don't know what UConn was like before Calhoun. Kinda just average in the 70's and 80' right. Maybe a handful of sweet sixteens?

This was going to be my question. I seriously don't know what UConn was like before Calhoun. Kinda just average in the 70's and 80' right. Maybe a handful of sweet sixteens?

We were more of a regional team that competed very well in the Northeast but we were not anything close to a national power. Our Yankee Conference rivals were the likes of URI, Umass, Holy Cross, BC...well you get the picture.We played on a green rubber court with a roof that had a few well placed leaks.

 

[Pudge]

Dynasty?

I have been reading Iowa State lately. Kane? That's a freaky story how a 25 year old talent plays 3 solid scoring years at Marshall and then lands for this last year to lead you to this level. Yes ... there are others. But, I don't think we are seeing a yearly harvest at Iowa State like some others (like say Michigan State or Texas or Kansas). Hoiberg is worth a lot. And I do think they can elbow their way into a solid number 2 in their conference. Elevated? Sure.

 

[Strummer]

Fred also has a heart condition that requires him to wear a pacemaker and the belief is he would not want the added stress . . .

If that's the case, please ensure that he's installed a new set of batteries prior to playing our Huskies at the Garden.

Too much?

 

[UChusky916]

Good god the Boneyard has really become insufferable since the Nova win.

Can we cut down on these fuking stupid threads and get more mojo posts please?

 

[intlzncster]

If that's the case, please ensure that he's installed a new set of batteries prior to playing our Huskies at the Garden.

Too much?

I might have gone with, let's hope his batteries run out mid game. But that would have definitely been too much.

 

[tzznandrew]

This was going to be my question. I seriously don't know what UConn was like before Calhoun. Kinda just average in the 70's and 80' right. Maybe a handful of sweet sixteens?

1 E8
3 S16
13 NCAAs
18 Regular Season Conference Titles

It's pretty good, but certainly not the peaks Calhoun brought us to.

 

[SauceMonkey]

To understand their wording you have to look at where ISU and UConn diverge. Both are large state schools (30k students) who have an amazing amount of support for their programs. Both are pretty much rural but with big cities within close proximity. Both are maligned and are not cornerstone properties in a power conference, though there is zero reason why they couldn't be. UConn has Boston and NYC, notably more, but ISU pulls heavily from KC/Minneapolis/Chicago, which isn't something to sneeze at either. Ironically they both are located in close proximity to insurance capitals of the world; which in order goes London, Hartford, then Des Moines.

But where they are both different is in consistency. UConn is on its third coach since the 40s. ISU has had three coaches in the past decade. After Johnny Orr revitalized the program (still the winningest coach at both Michigan and Iowa State), they had Floyd generate four years of success before the Bulls took him. Then Eustachy had four years of success before boozing with coeds took him. Then they had a couple guys who couldn't do anything, including McDermott who couldn't even recruit his own son.

Look at all the schools out there whose success is tied to a few coaches who stay for a very long time (UCLA/UNC/Duke/Syracuse/Indiana/Arizona anyone?). This is what builds programs from good to great. This is what builds dynasties. So, when they talk about that, what they're hoping for is that Hoiberg, who has more wins in his first four years than anyone in the program's history including a conference title and a winning record in the NCAAs, can stick around for a decade or more and build up the program to match the support the fans give it.

I guarantee you what ISU fans want is what UConn has built. They could do it too, if they just had a great coach who stuck around longer than a degree cycle.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Honestly, the overwhelming question for ISU is do they keep Hoiberg?

Where would he go?

 

[storrsroars]

But where they are both different is in consistency. UConn is on its third coach since the 40s. ISU has had three coaches in the past decade.

Huh? Both Dee Rowe and Dom Perno coached in just the four years I attended. I think there have been two more since then.

 

[Husky Dynasty]

It's an overstatement from the perspective of fans of a team that has won 3 NCs but it's probably fine in context of the B12, though they have a long way to truly pass KU.

UConn was a BE dynasty before it was a regular NC contender.

UL and Rick Pitino get laughed at for saying they are a dynasty after a FF and a NC, rightfully if they don'tget to the final four at least this year. The term Dynasty is overused.

Why you... Couldn't help but take a shot at my screen name, could you?

 

[SauceMonkey]

Huh? Both Dee Rowe and Dom Perno coached in just the four years I attended. I think there have been two more since then.

Ha, my bad. How about I say it this way....ISU had six coaches during Calhoun Era

 

[Cyclone]

Whoever used the term "Dynasty" in that original thread was "quite optimistic" IMO. It's been a wild ride for ISU fans this year, so the kool-aid is flowing a bit too much for some. The conf tourney title, the Big 3 playing amazingly well together, and a slew of big wins this year have the fan base brimming with confidence towards the program moving forward.

I don't feel ISU is about to become the next Kansas, but the Cyclones have the 2nd most Big 12 conference game wins over the last 3 seasons. They have arrived as legit player in the conference picture. I expect that trend to continue as one of the Big 12's top programs. I think Hoiberg can win a conf title in the future, but I'm not going to expect that to just happen. I'm more focused overall on solid conference finishes, Conf tourney wins, and doing some damage in the NCAA tourney. I do love the fact that Fred has managed to win all 3 opening NCAA games. No quicker way to thud out a season than to lose that 1st game.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Honest question Cy:

Can ISU position themselves to where they are clearly ahead of Texas, OSU & Baylor in men's hoops?

 

[SauceMonkey]

Honest question Cy:

Can ISU position themselves to where they are clearly ahead of Texas, OSU & Baylor in men's hoops?

If they keep Hoiberg, yes.

 

[joober jones]

In all sincerity, Iowa really isn't that bad of a place. It's different from here, no question, but it's a good place with lots of nice people. It has a nice sort of laid-back no pressure kind of feel to it, at least compared to the Northeast.

 

[Cyclone]

Honest question Cy:
Can ISU position themselves to where they are clearly ahead of Texas, OSU & Baylor in men's hoops?

As far as being "clearly" ahead of those programs...that's Kansas territory and that's it. So I guess by that admission the answer would likely be no. Again i don't expect world domination, I just want a consistent top type program in the Big 12, and so far Hoiberg is creating that resume.

ISU was included with OSU, Baylor, and Texas in top 25-30 recruiting class rankings for 2013. So I feel that Fred can recruit that type of talent, albeit with a transfer and juco slant which the other programs won't necessarily attach themselves to. That class for ISU featured a couple top 100 freshmen recruits so it's not just transfers pushing that ranking up.

Again as I pointed out, the 2nd most Big 12 wins over the last 3 years points to ISU at least having equal footing against some of the more prominent named programs such as OSU/Texas.

 

[HuskyHawk]

In all sincerity, Iowa really isn't that bad of a place. It's different from here, no question, but it's a good place with lots of nice people. It has a nice sort of laid-back no pressure kind of feel to it, at least compared to the Northeast.

An attorney I worked with here outside Boston quit his job at the Fortune 150 company we both work for, and took a job in Iowa. Pay was comparable, cost of living was about half. Unlike me (born in Johnson Cty. KS) he had no history in the midwest, but visited and thought it would be a great place for him and his family. Let's not imagine that being 1-2 hours from NY is some magic elixir. Anyone can fly there when they want, and I think most Americans wouldn't want to live in metro NY, with its cost, congestion etc.

 

[joober jones]

An attorney I worked with here outside Boston quit his job at the Fortune 150 company we both work for, and took a job in Iowa. Pay was comparable, cost of living was about half. Unlike me (born in Johnson Cty. KS) he had no history in the midwest, but visited and thought it would be a great place for him and his family. Let's not imagine that being 1-2 hours from NY is some magic elixir. Anyone can fly there when they want, and I think most Americans wouldn't want to live in metro NY, with its cost, congestion etc.

Quite true. I grew up in Oakbank, Manitoba which basically Canada's equivalent of our Midwest. It's much more developed now but growing up it had that quiet, roll-up-you-sleeves-and-do-it-yourself type of feel. I have to say I miss it at times, but I guess you can't go back in time.

 

[Giscombe12]

Doomed.

 

[Davidm]

The next motherf---er who drags a thread over here from another board is gonna go on vacation.

Sounds nice.. Where would you be sending one of us!?