Denver has 27 wins. Teams in front have 29,30,32,33. Show me someone on a team with 20 wins and I'll believe. Uconn has 27 wins, thus 27 win shares to divide among players. Iowa has 20, which is 35% less. So Paige with say 7 win shares (out of 27) would be the same contribution as Caitlin with 4.55 shares (out of 20)
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Two kids each dealing with a ton of pressure on a big stage. Amazing that they played as well as they did which although not their best games was pretty good
What ‘other’ things?
I dont see your point in this post. If you are just trying to argue with me that Clark is a better player, I will stop that.
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I forget - who was #1 in assists all time when DT graduated?
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Like TN? - Oh wait you actually have to develop the talent to win titles.
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As good as Caitlin is and she surely is, how wonderful an experience was it for her to have that extended conversation with the greatest and most successful coach in the history of women's basketball??? That may be the highlight of her young basketball life and a moment she'll someday be telling her kids and grandkids .... How this legend took the time to convey his respect for her talent and her moxie right after his team had played a really impressive TEAM game and defeated a very tough opponent ... he could have hustled into the team's locker room to congratulate his winning team but instead of immediately focusing on his teams victory, he took the time to congratulate her on a well played game despite being the major focus of the Huskie's defense and fighting through early shooting issues .... Geno really showed an awful lot of class and thoughtfulness and I'm sure it meant the world to that young lady!
Hmm. I wonder who the uncoachable player is in the game today... Could it be Clark? It's not like Bluder could really force her to do things she doesn't want to do. Bluder has to know that Clark is the goose that laid the golden egg for her program.
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He does but usually only briefly .... Once in a while, if it's a player he had recruited but lost out on, it may be a bit longer but I have never seen him talk to an opposing player for anywhere near the length of time that he talked to Caitlin ...
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Ha ha. I believe that, since Jefferson is #1 and Taurasi is #2, then one can infer that Taurasi had to be #1 at the time she graduated.
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I remember Geno and Chiney having a hug as she was subbed out of her last game at the FF in 2014 - she actually initiated it on her way to the bench.
I think one of the reasons for the leading questions in sports reporting at the college level especially is partly due to quite a few players answering questions with one word replies or just a few, and they are trying to get a better answer. Uconn players tend to have CD training behind them before they get in front of a mike and are generally better at it, but I have seen quite a few post games where the players are pretty silent. It is getting better overall probably because kids are more media savvy in HS will all the internet platforms. But I think the older reporters are having a hard time breaking old habits.
I think one of the reasons for the leading questions in sports reporting at the college level especially is partly due to quite a few players answering questions with one word replies or just a few, and they are trying to get a better answer. Uconn players tend to have CD training behind them before they get in front of a mike and are generally better at it, but I have seen quite a few post games where the players are pretty silent. It is getting better overall probably because kids are more media savvy in HS will all the internet platforms. But I think the older reporters are having a hard time breaking old habits.
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UConn gets way more than their fair share of talent, but not by outspending everyone. We don’t have a Phil Knight sugar daddy, so we make due. Napheesa Collier recently said she chose UConn despite the superior facilities of some of the other suitors. Kelly Graves, Jose Fernandez and Jeff Walz were recruiting the same international players UConn recently signed, and obviously had the resources to do so. These kids just wanted to play for Geno.
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Interesting little tidbit that never gets stated but may become relevant for Paige since she has a rather short (games) freshman season: the career leader in assists per game at Uconn is Sue Bird at 4.96 - she had a career of only 118 games because of her injury as a freshman.
Behind her are:
Jen at 4.71 (135 games)
DT at 4.50 (144)
Danger at 4.47 (134)
Moriah at 4.25 (155)
Rene at 4.21 (150)
Paige right now is at 6.07 (27)
Birds best season as a senior she was at 5.92 (39)
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UCONN had some unforced turnovers too.
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Tuck in her last 2 years better than Edwards. Not saying Edwards won't be better. She probably will.
1--- With Tuck you didn't have to worry too much about foul trouble.
2-- Edwards doesn't hit ft's as well. With Tuck you could low post her and even if team had to give fouls she was a better converter. Edwards needs to be more opportunistic because of the quality of guards she plays with - though she has been but that's the benefit of playing with offensively filthy passing guard play.
3-- As counter to Edwards being so good at OREB and converting more on the inside-- Tuck in big games - like the nickname that James Worthy had-- "Big Game James" - so was Tuck "BIG" - and some of it - was on the perimeter in which she at least equals Edwards inside effectiveness because Tuck helped open the floor. That allows her team to have a flow of movement on the inside. Or in some cases --bigs just couldn't guard her. Thus UCONN's offense got a good shot any time they wanted. Which is why for example Rebecca would say for example vs SC that they couldn't beat UCONN because they can't score enough. SC was a 3 or 4 team.
4-- Tuck was a a better passer.
1--- With Tuck you didn't have to worry too much about foul trouble.
2-- Edwards doesn't hit ft's as well. With Tuck you could low post her and even if team had to give fouls she was a better converter. Edwards needs to be more opportunistic because of the quality of guards she plays with - though she has been but that's the benefit of playing with offensively filthy passing guard play.
3-- As counter to Edwards being so good at OREB and converting more on the inside-- Tuck in big games - like the nickname that James Worthy had-- "Big Game James" - so was Tuck "BIG" - and some of it - was on the perimeter in which she at least equals Edwards inside effectiveness because Tuck helped open the floor. That allows her team to have a flow of movement on the inside. Or in some cases --bigs just couldn't guard her. Thus UCONN's offense got a good shot any time they wanted. Which is why for example Rebecca would say for example vs SC that they couldn't beat UCONN because they can't score enough. SC was a 3 or 4 team.
4-- Tuck was a a better passer.
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We went seven deep, all with serious contributions, not many teams can do that. If Nika is able to play it gives us another defensive notch up, more steals and disruption with a press option. Our coaches have prepared our defensive plans well and aren't afraid of resting a player for a few minutes. We have quick hands and great field vision, another missing element for many teams. Shooting well can come or go but when you have Liv, Edwards and the guards looking to clean up misses we are a tough out!
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Yes, a number of them but at each higher level of this these games, the opposition has things we haven't seen for our young team. In some cases these teams also have played quite a few more games than we have. This is valuable experience for them.
We do adjust well with the coaching staff watching the fine points. I love that Liv is willing to distribute, going from 19 points to 4 with a big smile on her face, happy to help! She also pulled down a number of key rebounds. Williams was beyond great, perhaps her best game as a Husky. She was everywhere. Westbrook had another Hugh game and seems to read, as does Paige, what the team needs. This can't be taught. This is leadership. We are blessed fans, what a wonderful package to watch.
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Wait. I'm sure many other Yarders can back me up with data, however UConn does not go the international route as much as USF and other schools. Nika seemed to be a surprise to many, and some even discounted that she would make a difference at UConn, and we've seen how that turned out.
I'd argue that for 2020, the #1, 23, and 25th ranked players (Paige, Aaliyah, Mir), along with 2018 #1, 5 (Christyn, Olivia) and 2017 #2 (Evina) is more indicative of UConn's talent pool.
Then add 2021 #1, 5, 15, 30 (Fudd, Ducharme, DeBerry, Poffenbarger), 2022 #3, 5 (Patterson, Brady) and there's the recruiting depth. Remember that a mere few years ago, we had chicken little, sky is falling, Geno/UConn has lost his recruiting touch and then bam, 2020 and 2021 happen.
Technically, Kia Nurse and Kelly Schumacher are foreign players from Canada, however the last non-NA foreign player to make a significant impact was Abrosimova (97-01).
2017 was an odd year. We got #1, 13, 16, 29 (Walker, Coombs, Espinoza-Hunter, Gordon), and only Walker played 3 years.
Lastly, Raoul (WBB blogger) noticed that half of the top 10 recruits in the 2018 recruiting class will have transferred, and 11 of the top 25 (44%).
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and ps, Geno threw a comment out there about yesterday's officiating, saying something along the lines of he thought it was fine, let the kids play, so just maybe he's greasing the wheel for more of the same Monday.
Gee, maybe the reason is that this is a UConn fan board? Right or wrong, fans on this board should be given the opportunity to support UConn players in debates about “who is better”. You call it a lie, I call it an opinion, and as such those opinions should be expected on a UConn fan board.
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Schumacher is actually American but had gone to high school in Canada.
JUCO transfers Tihana Abrilic and Rashidat Sadiq were also nonUS.
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Both teams shot the ball really well. UConn went on a run and Iowa answered with some great clutch treys. Great game and great for WCBB. UConns defense is what caused Iowa to shoot from deep and they made alot of shots. UConn stepped up and Iowa stepped up. Give everybody credit.
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Childhood, I mean no disrespect in my comments. Win shares was being used to measure Paige vs Clark. I said it was not valid. I explained why I do not think it is a great statistic for such comparison: number of "team" wins is the bedrock of the equation. I just took a fast look at the calculation. The defensive piece of the equation appears to be dependent on points allowed by the 'team'. Uconn plays great team defense, the best in the game. This year they also played some pretty inferior opponents. I would be curious as to how many win shares Paige earned from defense? Maybe somebody has that info?
Anyway, the whole win shares thing has piqued my interest: looks like a good afternoon with Excel, which I will undertake some rainy day.
As an aside: is this info is coming from herhoopstats? If I am remembering correctly, I looked at their stats for PER (which I did spend a few hours putting a spreadsheet together) and they appeared way high, with numerous players in the 30's.
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Yes, I saw that, but I was trying to make the point of significant contributors irt the comment of "Uconn has a very costly but effective international talent and recruitment program"
To be clear, I am not a TN/Pat Summit fan, going back to the days they were the evil empire.
When Tennessee had Holdsclaw, Catchings, Lawson and Parker they won the Championship. Name one Tennessee player since Parker who is close to these players in ability? Did Pat lose her ability to develop great talent or did Pat lose her ability to recruit great talent?
The Uconn-TN rift came to a head over Maya Moore, where Uconn 'recruitment' practices came under question. (UT filed NCAA complaint alleging UConn violations). Maybe if Pat had Maya, she would have a couple more titles and Geno a couple less? Who knows.
This may be true, but neither you or I know. Sitting on the bench and watching will do wonders for players needing to get with the program.
This is why once Geno retires, one significant advantage disappears. Geno is as close to a celebrity/spokesperson for WCCB (possibly basketball in general) as there is. Let’s hope he stays for another ten years.
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Lawson didn’t win a ncaa championship
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