Iona Coach Tim Cluess...

[-Huskiediehard-]

I think if theirs not too many upsets in the conference tourneys then Iona is deserving. They def can beat some BE teams but I don't know how they would fare in the brutal BE schedule. Machado and Mo Mo are a nice combination.

 

[huskyjawz]

just found an article on ESPN http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

only 7 teams with an RPI of 63+ have received an at large bid

none with an RPI over 75

conversely what is the range where teams lower than that rarely get left out?

 

[freescooter]

But so much of that stuff is purely a function of the conference you're in. Just by virtue of being in the MAAC, Iona doesn't get to play top 50 teams. When it gets the rare chance it is on the road. So even if they went undefeated and won every game by 20, their RPI would be significantly lower than most Big East teams.

though the committee always denies it, they give RPI a very high degree of weight in setting the field. One of the other statistical gurus ran an analysis and found a very close statistically significant correlation between tournament seeding and RPI.

 

[tzznandrew]

But so much of that stuff is purely a function of the conference you're in. Just by virtue of being in the MAAC, Iona doesn't get to play top 50 teams. When it gets the rare chance it is on the road. So even if they went undefeated and won every game by 20, their RPI would be significantly lower than most Big East teams.

though the committee always denies it, they give RPI a very high degree of weight in setting the field. One of the other statistical gurus ran an analysis and found a very close statistically significant correlation between tournament seeding and RPI.

Two things:
1. Iona had chances and lost. They did get fewer chances, but I'm not sure what you can do about that. They are playing worse teams, and shouldn't get rewarded more for playing sub-par teams.
2. I imagine there is a high correlation, and that generally seems fine to me. Higher RPIs usually go with more road wins, more top 50 wins, a high SOS, etc. It doesn't shock me that they would correlate, and I don't particularly have a problem with that.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

But so much of that stuff is purely a function of the conference you're in. Just by virtue of being in the MAAC, Iona doesn't get to play top 50 teams. When it gets the rare chance it is on the road. So even if they went undefeated and won every game by 20, their RPI would be significantly lower than most Big East teams.

though the committee always denies it, they give RPI a very high degree of weight in setting the field. One of the other statistical gurus ran an analysis and found a very close statistically significant correlation between tournament seeding and RPI.

1) Harvard plays in the Ivy League and their RPI is still strong.

2) You're right in that small conference teams don't get to play anybody great once conference play starts. But as long as you beat the teams you should beat (see Murray State and possibly the Drexel/VCU loser) you can still find a way to get an at-large if you play a decent non-conference schedule and dominate your league. Iona's problem isn't that they lost to a decent Fairfield team or to Marshall on the road. Their problem is they also lost to a 14-17 Siena team and a 11-22 Hofstra team. Their RPI would be significantly higher if you just take away those 2 losses. Seton Hall may end up getting burned for losing to DePaul - that loss isn't anywhere near as bad as those two losses for Iona.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

Iona has about 10x as much talent as anyone else in their league. Losing it is unacceptable. Coach Clueless is just sad because he knows he screwed up big time.

 

[Druken Friar]

Unfortunately like Will Munny says in Unforgiven " Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." Iona is now a long shot and headed to the NIT. Sorry.

 

[tzznandrew]

Unfortunately like Will Munny says in Unforgiven " Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." Iona is now a long shot and headed to the NIT. Sorry.

Don't lose to Siena and Hofstra. Then you might get in, and deserve to get in.

 

[willie99]

Most teams with high win totals and a lousy RPI are from smaller conferences and haven't beaten anybody all year. Cincy is different in that they've beaten Uconn, Marquette, Louisville, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and even Seton Hall. Nobody else on the bubble has 6 wins as good as those - they'll get in.

I tend to agree with you. I think they're top 50 record should get them in.

However, with an overall SOS of 102 and an absolutely horrific OOC SOS, they're no lock. The committee tends to punish teams with poor OOC SOS. At 318, they better hope the committee is somewhat forgiving, because that's just scary bad

 

[tzznandrew]

I tend to agree with you. I think they're top 50 record should get them in.

However, with an overall SOS of 102 and an absolutely horrific OOC SOS, they're no lock. The committee tends to punish teams with poor OOC SOS. At 318, they better hope the committee is somewhat forgiving, because that's just scary bad

I think Cincy is likely in, but should make sure to win--or lose to a good team--just to make sure.

 

[willie99]

conversely what is the range where teams lower than that rarely get left out?

IDK, but somewhere around 35

 

[tzznandrew]

IDK, but somewhere around 35-40

No major conference team in the modern era has ever been left out with an RPI under 37 (Florida State in 2008 had a 37 and was left out).

 

[Robertelamin]

Has the MAAC ever gotten an at large bid? I feel like Siena and Manhattan may have but I'm to lazy to look.

 

[willie99]

BTW: Iona's RPI as dropped to 42,46 or 48 depending on the service

they're out

 

[huskyjawz]

No major conference team in the modern era has ever been left out with an RPI under 37 (Florida State in 2008 had a 37 and was left out).

so if we beat depaul, and got left out, the committee would be breaking new ground.

 

[businesslawyer]

Has the MAAC ever gotten an at large bid? I feel like Siena and Manhattan may have but I'm to lazy to look.

Yes. But it was at least a decade ago, maybe more.

 

[freescooter]

Has the MAAC ever gotten an at large bid? I feel like Siena and Manhattan may have but I'm to lazy to look.

I thought Iona or St peters and manhattan did around 10 years ago. It might have been Siena...One team I think won a first round game. Manhattan I think lost on a last second shot that went around the rim and out.

 

[Druken Friar]

Right now Iona looks great. Tearing up BYU.

 

[tzznandrew]

Right now Iona looks great. Tearing up BYU.

Good for them--VCU style.

That being said, much like USC last year, BYU had little right to be in this field.

 

[selles]

Good for them--VCU style.

That being said, much like USC last year, BYU had little right to be in this field.

Maybe so, but if I were Buzz I'd be getting a little nervous right now.

 

[hungry husky]

Right now Iona looks great. Tearing up BYU.

Love these epic thread resurrections.

 

[Druken Friar]

Love the way Machado plays on the fastbreak. Win or lose they're fun to watch.

 

[wpq4elamin]

and now, Cluess looks clueless as his team managed to blow a game in which they led by 20+ points....

55 points in the first 16 minutes followed by 17 in the next 24 minutes... just terrible... guy should worry about finishing teams and games before he worried about how many Big East teams he could beat... cuz he just lost to a BYU team that was getting run off the floor in the first half...

 

[mauconnfan]

How you feeling about spouting off now Tim? Nice coaching job losing a 25 point lead.............should have shut up and played in the NIT

 

[NOTaDIME]

They would have only given up a 15 point lead in the NIT.