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Percentage of plays is nearly irrelevant with a QB who ducks and takes sacks before reading a defense, or checking down his receivers.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Didn't see this before. The assumption you're making ist aht Williams isn't already practicing quite a bit with the offense. I don't ahve any inside info, but based on what I see on the field during games, I have reason to believe that Williams is already getting a whole bunch of time in practices with the #1 offense in the passing game.

maybe I shouldn't have written all that stuff on play calls and route trees, I just thought it would be infomative to folks that care about the sport, and might not be aware. There's a hell of a lot more to a passing game than drawing up a square in and a post pattern on the palm of your hand in the huddle, and working things like end arounds and trick plays into an offense takes a ton of work in practices.

I also did not mean to imply that Williams is not understanding the offense, all evidence to the contrary. Again, just trying to point out that it's not as simple as just lining up and throwing the guy the ball.

when you're looking at numbers there, you're seeing problems that aren't really there.

It's actually not easy at all to spread out an offense as evenly as we have, and the fact that you can't look at paper and identify any one thing that stands out in the passing game, except for williams 7 catches, is actually the only real strength in the passing game we've got right now.

Consistency from the QB positiion is certainly not the strenght of our passing game.
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Uconnfan13 said:
Percentage of plays is nearly irrelevant with a QB who ducks and takes sacks before reading a defense, or checking down his receivers.
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I prefer not to speak badly about any player that puts everything they've got on the field for my blue and white.

But I do wish that we could have a passing game with that most important piece on the chess board able to compelte passes at a decent clip. We've been stuck at right around 50% completions out of the QB position for many years now. This is not something new to this year.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Where are you getting your stats from? I saw Nebrich gain 10 yards on just one carry, after he saw his receivers were all covered, AND get a 1st down in the process, and that was the last time I saw him play in a UCONN game. The kid is an excellent runner, and yes...LIGHT YEARS ahead of McEntee (aka Stephen Hawling).
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http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND

Nebrich has gained 27 yards rushing and lost 20. His NET rushing total is 7 yards on the year.
 
Carl Spackler said:
I prefer not to speak badly about any player that puts everything they've got on the field for my blue and white.

But I do wish that we could have a passing game with that most important piece on the chess board able to compelte passes at a decent clip. We've been stuck at right around 50% completions out of the QB position for many years now. This is not something new to this year.
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The issue with JM is not once the ball leaves his hands. He throws the ball basically as well as any one since Dan O left (single exception of the few games when Cody got hot in '09). The problem with JM is everything that happens prior to his release. His footwork. His decisionmaking. His fear of and inability to avoid the pass rush. None of this is unusual for someone who is not only a first year starter, but wasn't groomed to be one before taking over. But it is problematic.
 
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businesslawyer said:
The issue with JM is not once the ball leaves his hands. He throws the ball basically as well as any one since Dan O left (single exception of the few games when Cody got hot in '09). The problem with JM is everything that happens prior to his release. His footwork. His decisionmaking. His fear of and inability to avoid the pass rush. None of this is unusual for someone who is not only a first year starter, but wasn't groomed to be one before taking over. But it is problematic.
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I agree with most of that, not the fear part, and not the inability to avoid the rush part, the rest of it I agree.

I alwasy go back to the three basics of QBs. Toughness. Leadership. Accuracy.

the perception of a QB in fear comes from teh toughness aspect of being a QB, mentally and physically tough. It's not easy, not easy at all, to keep your eyes and mental attention on what's happening down field and ignore the 10-12 300 lb monsters fighting all around you, and understand that you're going to get leveled at any moment, and need to get back up again.

Johnny has gotten rolled in the dirt a bunch of times, and he's shown signs of taking that focus off what happens down field. Totally expected from a frist year QB, that probably ahsn't had any real physical harm done to him by a defense in 4 yaers. That said, he's got to keep the eyes and brain downfield, and be tough.

as for leadership, I don't think there's a question as to that. Johnny Mac is the team's guy, and they got his back too. That's something that has a lot to do with being an upperclassman and all that other stuff that happens on football teams. Becoming that leader for a team takes time and circumstance.

Accuracy. McEntee's problem is not being accurate, it's being CONSISTENTLY accurate. McCummings? Accuracy is the issue.

We haven't had a QB put all three together consistently on the field of play during games in a very, very long time.

Johnny Mac has all three qualities, I think. In fact I'm sure he's got all three, or he wouldn't be the starter.

The problem is taht he's not putting all three together consistently. I hope to see a consistently good Mac in all three qualities of a QB, for 4 quarters on saturday.
 
We always overestimate what freshman can do. We see a new face and we immediately think that he is the savior. Already folks have Dobbs penciled in to start with McCombs. Highly doubt that and I would not be surprised if he red shirts, despite the the prep year.
 
rich1122 said:
We always overestimate what freshman can do. We see a new face and we immediately think that he is the savior. Already folks have Dobbs penciled in to start with McCombs. Highly doubt that and I would not be surprised if he red shirts, despite the the prep year.
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Some people have him starting ahead of McCombs...of course they also have Cochran starting next season, too, and if Nebrich is the starter next September, I wonder how many games it will be before palatine tells us that if Cochran was playing we'd be #1? As the old saying goes, the best player on any team is the back up quarterback.
 
rich1122 said:
We always overestimate what freshman can do. We see a new face and we immediately think that he is the savior. Already folks have Dobbs penciled in to start with McCombs. Highly doubt that and I would not be surprised if he red shirts, despite the the prep year.
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You mean like what Rutgers did with Huggins?
 
huskyrob1 said:
Where are you getting your stats from? I saw Nebrich gain 10 yards on just one carry, after he saw his receivers were all covered, AND get a 1st down in the process, and that was the last time I saw him play in a UCONN game. The kid is an excellent runner, and yes...LIGHT YEARS ahead of McEntee (aka Stephen Hawling).
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http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND
i got them from UConn's website, which are the same stats as CBS. like i said earlier, i think stats are overrated, but the numbers are what they are. he had 27 positive yards rushing minus 20 negative yards rushing. voila 7 yards on 6 carries. i don't want to come off like i'm against Nebrich b/c aside from Grant i was probably his biggest fan as a recruit, but nothing's happened on the field to indicate he's any better than our other options at this point in time.

to be honest, McEntee's production at QB has been in the ballpark of what we've gotten from any of our QBs over the last few years. we'd all like it to be better of course, and some times he really blows what should be an easy play, but i'm used to that from years of watching (insert name of any UConn QB since DanO). i think the bright side is that we're getting it from someone that was never intended to see the field, and we have some young options that look to push him for time next season.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
You mean like what Rutgers did with Huggins?
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You guys do this stuff all the time. On occassion there is a freshman who is ready to step in and be a regular, even a star as a true freshman. For the most part, though those guys are rare. How many true freshmen are starting for Big East teams and making an impact? Huggins. Maybe the Rutgers quarterback, though he is back on the bench last I looked. Maybe there's a wideout somewhere since that's a position where you can get away with it if you have skills. but I bet there aren't 100 true freshmen (that would be about 6% of all starters on both sides of the football)starting in the BCS leagues this year. And I bet you can count quarterbacks and running backs on one hand.
 
NutmegState said:
http://7220report.com/2011/08/16/by-the-numbers-true-freshman-quarterbacks/
"how have true freshman starting quaterbacks fared the past few seasons in college football?
These stats were accumilated from the official NCAA website for the 2009 and 2010 seasons and here is how the numbers look:"
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Fair analysis if that's the list. Some of these guys have very low yardage so I looked up Wenning. He had about 2/3's of their yardage and Pass Efficiency Rating of 111.3 for the year. He was I thought a generally low performer for the group shown above given the yardage. JMc's passing efficiency rating to date is 113. Also, looked to see if the freshman is still playing this year. Low and behold, a year of experience has helped Wenning. Has PER of 125.3, 2,478 yards passing, 17 TD's and 9 Int so far this year.
How about a lits of RS Junior walkons who have not played a meaningful snap their 1st 3 years and start their 4th year and see how they do as a group? Make sure you show only those who ran the scout team all three of those years. Would like to see that list. Talk about MN not having played against anyone but high school kids, JMc had not played in a game (well maybe a snap here or there) with refs, against an opponent who is not his teammate since 2007. And those guys in 2007 were high school kids.
 
mattp said:
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND
i got them from UConn's website, which are the same stats as CBS. like i said earlier, i think stats are overrated, but the numbers are what they are. he had 27 positive yards rushing minus 20 negative yards rushing. voila 7 yards on 6 carries. i don't want to come off like i'm against Nebrich b/c aside from Grant i was probably his biggest fan as a recruit, but nothing's happened on the field to indicate he's any better than our other options at this point in time.

to be honest, McEntee's production at QB has been in the ballpark of what we've gotten from any of our QBs over the last few years. we'd all like it to be better of course, and some times he really blows what should be an easy play, but i'm used to that from years of watching (insert name of any UConn QB since DanO). i think the bright side is that we're getting it from someone that was never intended to see the field, and we have some young options that look to push him for time next season.
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Wow some of you in-the-know fans amaze me. Palantine is at least clsoer to correct than most because one thing is for sure the Huskies would have at least as many wins as they do now if Neibrich were QB. McEntee is putrid, simply put. I have run into UConn fans everywhere - at the Cuse game, at the golf course, at work and besides the Boneyard I have never heard a good thing about this kid other than the fact he is a nice kid (and that means something). But he's not even close to the "fair" QB's of recent past such as Endres, Frazier and others, not close. He might be smart based on his veteranship on the playbook and that does count for something I guess, especially with the staff. But he's really unathletic, hardly throws moving into the pass as he's always scared (admittedly makes good throws when he does but it's too rare) and is real lucky DB's and LB's can't catch or he'd be running away with that national title of interceptions. I'mnot an expert and sholdnt have been hired any faster than Palantine - but it's obvious Johnny Mac is not the Qb of now or the future and if he is the Huskies are in deep doo doo!!! I think they're looking at a possible bowl with either Neibrich or McCummings having played the majority as the offense hasn't won any games except maybe McCombs. How can anyone see improvement - it's impossible to find it!!??
 
Why don't they have Mac throw out of the shotgun more often? As far as McCummings, he seems to have a chronic problem putting the ball on the ground at too high a rate yet for him to be getting 50-60 snaps a game.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Wow some of you in-the-know fans amaze me. Palantine is at least clsoer to correct than most because one thing is for sure the Huskies would have at least as many wins as they do now if Neibrich were QB. McEntee is putrid, simply put. I have run into UConn fans everywhere - at the Cuse game, at the golf course, at work and besides the Boneyard I have never heard a good thing about this kid other than the fact he is a nice kid (and that means something). But he's not even close to the "fair" QB's of recent past such as Endres, Frazier and others, not close. He might be smart based on his veteranship on the playbook and that does count for something I guess, especially with the staff. But he's really unathletic, hardly throws moving into the pass as he's always scared (admittedly makes good throws when he does but it's too rare) and is real lucky DB's and LB's can't catch or he'd be running away with that national title of interceptions. I'mnot an expert and sholdnt have been hired any faster than Palantine - but it's obvious Johnny Mac is not the Qb of now or the future and if he is the Huskies are in deep doo doo!!! I think they're looking at a possible bowl with either Neibrich or McCummings having played the majority as the offense hasn't won any games except maybe McCombs. How can anyone see improvement - it's impossible to find it!!??
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You're either extremely ignorant or just love taking a dump on Mcentee
 
IMHO, we've needed to make a change at WR coach for years now. I've always been frustrated that the one position we've struggled most with is WR. They don't get separation, create space, or develop during their time here. Easley is an outlier, and he sat on the bench for the bulk of his time here. I really do hope PP and GD look to make a change here during the off season. We kill our QB's , but Zach, Cody, and even JMc have been victimiszed by a lot of dropped passes, as well as WR's not getting open. Just my opinion.
 
mattp said:
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND
i got them from UConn's website, which are the same stats as CBS. like i said earlier, i think stats are overrated, but the numbers are what they are. he had 27 positive yards rushing minus 20 negative yards rushing. voila 7 yards on 6 carries. i don't want to come off like i'm against Nebrich b/c aside from Grant i was probably his biggest fan as a recruit, but nothing's happened on the field to indicate he's any better than our other options at this point in time.

to be honest, McEntee's production at QB has been in the ballpark of what we've gotten from any of our QBs over the last few years. we'd all like it to be better of course, and some times he really blows what should be an easy play, but i'm used to that from years of watching (insert name of any UConn QB since DanO). i think the bright side is that we're getting it from someone that was never intended to see the field, and we have some young options that look to push him for time next season.
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Then you should also have pointed out that so far McEntee has gained 72 yards rushing and lost 170 yards rushing on 47 attempts, for a total of minus 98 yards rushing.
 
uconnflyer88 said:
You're either extremely ignorant or just love taking a dump on Mcentee
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I guess there is no option for, is correct. JMc is not a Div 1, never mind BCS level QB, is not athletic and has thrown many passes that defenders have flat out dropped. So JMc is the QB for next year? I sure hope not.
 
mauconnfan said:
But he's not even close to the "fair" QB's of recent past such as Endres, Frazier and others, not close. quote].
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i don't care how many uconn fans youve run into or what they thought of anybody, but McEntee has averaged 168 passing yards/game compeleting 52% of his passes with 1.5 TDs/IN with 6.4 yds/attempt. if you don't think that's in the same ballpark as the production we've gotten over the last 5 years i suggest you spend less time talking to other fans and more time watching games. i never said McEntee was as good as Endres or anyone else, i said he was about as productive, and he was, and he did it without Donald Brown, Todman or Dixon to hand off too. McCombs is good, but he's not those guys yet
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Then you should also have pointed out that so far McEntee has gained 72 yards rushing and lost 170 yards rushing on 47 attempts, for a total of minus 98 yards rushing.
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why would i point that out? i never said McEntee can run the ball. he's averaging -2 yards/attempt. he's not mobile. we all know this. you're the one that said Nebrich was light years ahead of McEntee which is just fiction.
 
SAMCRO said:
IMHO, we've needed to make a change at WR coach for years now. I've always been frustrated that the one position we've struggled most with is WR. They don't get separation, create space, or develop during their time here. Easley is an outlier, and he sat on the bench for the bulk of his time here. I really do hope PP and GD look to make a change here during the off season. We kill our QB's , but Zach, Cody, and even JMc have been victimiszed by a lot of dropped passes, as well as WR's not getting open. Just my opinion.
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WRs have been our biggest issue by far. i think we're recruiting good ones, they're just not developing. does anyone know who our WR coach was in the DanO years? it seems odd that we got so much production out of Keron Henry, Feldheisen, ONeill Wilson, etcetera, but can't get squat out of the Moores, Williams and company now. even Kanuch seemed to get worse every year (even accounting for the injuries he seemed to regress). the one great WR we've had didnt' really get to show his stuff off until halfway through his senior year. i know that players seem to like Coach Sos, but there's obviously some kind of deficency in how we develop WRs
 
mattp said:
i don't care how many uconn fans youve run into or what they thought of anybody, but McEntee has averaged 168 passing yards/game compeleting 52% of his passes with 1.5 TDs/IN with 6.4 yds/attempt. if you don't think that's in the same ballpark as the production we've gotten over the last 5 years i suggest you spend less time talking to other fans and more time watching games.
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I can't agree, matt. You cite stats to make your case than you end by using the eye test. JMac is far behind the others using the eye test. And from watching the games in person where you can see the whole field, JMac has had many, many more open recievers to throw to than his predecessors. And I don't think it's much of a surprise that the recievers looked better when we had a top flight QB.
 
all i said was that for all of McEntee's shortcomings, he's produced about the same as any of the other QBs we've had lately, and i stand by that. it's not like the bar was set very high. i said it was a reason to be optimistic because i think that speaks more for our improved playcalling. i think if we still had Frazer or Endres we'd have well over 2000 yards passing by now. i never said McEntee was as good as our past QBs, only that he's been as productive.
 
hey folks, there's a game in 48 hours. Our team needs to be consistent. That means every player from the QB to the Strong Safety to the place kicking unit.

Our problem at QB is simple. Consistency. McEntee, when he's on, looks a lot better than any QB we've had out there in a long time. The drive to open up the second half in Morgantown was a thing of beauty, right up to the point where he tried to do too much and lost the ball.

In the second half against Cuse, he had it going again.

I don't know what he needs to get it going in the first half, and stay consistent for a full game, maybe an Espresso or something, or maybe somebody needs to give him a real good head butt or something to get the ass in gear, I don't know. Maybe he's got a little too much California in him and doesn't wake up until 4 oclook in the afternoon. Whatever it is, we need the best of what he's capable of for four quarters and it starts at 12:00, not 3:30pm.

So, I hope he finds a way to kick that play into gear and keep it consistent for a four quarters.

THe kid starts to do that, and play well CONSISTENTLY, and there's nothing to talk about except post season travel plans.

And you can insert any one of our players names into that last sentence for "kid".

We start doing what we're capable of consistently for four quarters as a team, and things are going to be just fine.
 
JM throws the ball a little better than Zach did. Better at some throws, not as good at others, but as a thrower he is as good to slightly better. Zach was far, far superior to JM at the decision making and moving in pocket prior to throwing the ball. And I didn't think Zach was particularly good at those aspects.

But I agree with Carl. It is what it is, and where we are is 12 good quarters from defending our conference championship. All I need from JM Saturday is turnover free football. I don't need him to turn into an average Big East QB.
 
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