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I thought Saniya played very well again last night against SMU. Very little for th coaching staff to be upset about, I would think !
Yep, even if she missed all her threes and scored less points than last game, she dealt out a huge 6 assists, and her teammates know that their is now another point guard on the team who can be relied on to help out if another team has some kind of mutant defender who can stay with MoJeff. Saniya's defense is also very active, and good to see her pick up another block, and she's also getting to the FT line a bit.
 
What Geno says publicly about a player or the team as a whole is generally an amalgam of what he really thinks and what he thinks will be effective motivationally, being aware that the player or team will hear or read what he says. The gist of what he said about Saniya, as I read it, is that she is doing quite well for a freshman, but has the potential to be much better. He does not want her thinking that she is doing badly, but neither does he want her to think that she is achieving the best of which she is capable. I doubt that this surprised her.
 
Saniya's main problem imo is deferring to her more accomplished teammates which is natural when you join a team with the talent this team has. While the injuries are not good news for Uconn for Saniya it will help her by giving her plenty of time to just play her game and gain her confidence. The last couple of games she has been pretty good to me. With the margin of victories we are rolling up at this time she can make whatever mistakes she's going to without much of an effect on the team. Will be surprised if she's anything but terrific the rest of the way
 
Still passing when she should be shooting. Better, but not what is needed yet. Signs of breaking out of it for sure.
 
What Geno says publicly about a player or the team as a whole is generally an amalgam of what he really thinks and what he thinks will be effective motivationally, being aware that the player or team will hear or read what he says. The gist of what he said about Saniya, as I read it, is that she is doing quite well for a freshman, but has the potential to be much better. He does not want her thinking that she is doing badly, but neither does he want her to think that she is achieving the best of which she is capable. I doubt that this surprised her.

He also "tells" us things "without speaking." The main thing he told all of us when Chong didn't play but 3 minutes vs. Baylor that he didn't quite trust her yet. If she was playing "well enough" to Geno's "standards," she would have seen more time.

I do agree though- she's been doing fine.
 
Still passing when she should be shooting. Better, but not what is needed yet. Signs of breaking out of it for sure.
I guess we can all have different opinions on that, as 6 assists with some of them semi-spectacular makes me think that she could be passing more and UConn would be better off. She tried three reasonably open threes and missed them all, so I think her teammates might well feel that some great passes to them for buckets is better than tossing up more threes that clang away. She's mainly a point guard right now and took 1 less shot than MoJeff last night, so 6 shots seems to me a decent amount. And yeah, with 6 assists, I think she's pretty broken out.
 
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He also "tells" us things "without speaking." The main thing he told all of us when Chong didn't play but 3 minutes vs. Baylor that he didn't quite trust her yet. If she was playing "well enough" to Geno's "standards," she would have seen more time.

I do agree though- she's been doing fine.
Overall, yeah, but with a Baylor it was likely more the situation with trying to handle Sims, who is very good at getting fouls. It's probably that part of it that Geno didn't trust, that Saniya plays strong defense but was not experienced enough to handle a wily Sims. Saniya saw 27 minutes against MD and 17 minutes against Stanford, so there are likely some high-level match-ups that she is very trusted for.
 
that Saniya plays strong defense

Wasn't it but a short few weeks ago that Geno was saying that Saniya didn't play defense at all?
She's made great progress in that regard.
 
Wasn't it but a short few weeks ago that Geno was saying that Saniya didn't play defense at all?
She's made great progress in that regard.
It was also several weeks ago (ok maybe a couple months ago) that he said "I never worry about Saniya Chong." And my guess is that fundamentally that hasn't changed, regardless of what he might say in prodding her to get even better.
 
He also notoriously said that Kalana couldn't guard a chair. You think he meant it?
 
It was also several weeks ago (ok maybe a couple months ago) that he said "I never worry about Saniya Chong." And my guess is that fundamentally that hasn't changed, regardless of what he might say in prodding her to get even better.

We actually may be speaking of the same interview on SNY
 
Wasn't it but a short few weeks ago that Geno was saying that Saniya didn't play defense at all?
She's made great progress in that regard.
I'm sure he absolutely meant it too since she was in for such long stretches against top opponents, and he'd certainly want a player in there who couldn't play defense at all so that Stanford wouldn't feel bad. It's the same with Stewie, who he's always saying doesn't have a clue about playing defense, so when three no-good defenders like Stewie, Chong, and KLM are on the court at the same time, that's when the opponents have been lighting the Huskies up for 70 to 80 points.
 
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I guess we can all have different opinions on that, as 6 assists with some of them semi-spectacular makes me think that she could be passing more and UConn would be better off. She tried three reasonably open threes and missed them all, so I think her teammates might well feel that some great passes to them for buckets is better than tossing up more threes that clang away. She's mainly a point guard right now and took 1 less shot than MoJeff last night, so 6 shots seems to me a decent amount. And yeah, with 6 assists, I think she's pretty broken out.

Nah, She's just getting started. Awesome potential in this lady. In another year you may not believe the difference.
 
Overall, yeah, but with a Baylor it was likely more the situation with trying to handle Sims, who is very good at getting fouls. It's probably that part of it that Geno didn't trust, that Saniya plays strong defense but was not experienced enough to handle a wily Sims. Saniya saw 27 minutes against MD and 17 minutes against Stanford, so there are likely some high-level match-ups that she is very trusted for.

I think it was a big part of it. I took the title of your thread and the subejct matter to indicate "significant critcism unfair" not a random post or two. Therefore, I don't think there was any significnat criticism early in the year, was there? . And the recent criticsm was highlighted b Geno. We just have to "listen." He only gave her 3 minutes -- and she didn't have to guard Sims. The other guards could have guarde Sims while she was in.

Therefore - we have heard Geno speak of a Freshman Wall. We did hear "Geno speak" in the game we were most challenged. He "spoke to all of us" most importantly Chong that he wants more from her.

For me, I'm happy with what he is getting. It just comes down to if she is needed -can she be produce at near optimal level? No one can "know." But I hope she can. You'd never believe she coul with a certain rating she had during the summer.

Heck "HOOPGULRZ" had her rated at 75 I believe. They didn't rate Faris very well did they? ANd they aren't rating Eckmark that well I believe. And they underrated Dolson, didn't they? Anyway - I'm happy.
 
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I loved when Geno said that what they need from her is for her to just relax and be herself because they know what she is and can do.
 
He only gave her 3 minutes -- and she didn't have to guard Sims. The other guards could have guarde Sims while she was in.
Obviously many points about that.
  • First, if Saniya's in it may well be to give Bria or MoJeff a rest, so there are may well be only one other guard in the game at that point, not "guards."
  • Who a player starts off guarding is one thing, but after a screen or transfer around the perimeter guards have to switch off. It doesn't take much for an experienced ball handler and decent 3-pt shooter to work a screen to find the defender she wants to go against.
  • Sims would likely have tried actively to "find" the less experienced freshman for a foul, as she played the whole game looking to get fouled with some crazy out of control shots.
  • Sims saw action from multiple defenders during the game, though it was often a herding action toward a post player.
  • UConn has been playing a lot of zone this year, which precludes a one-on-one situation with a picked defender, and even if that was not the main defense in the Baylor game, you have to have the personnel in to switch things up in key moments.
And lastly, as the troll noted during the thread on the Baylor game action, UConn's bench players are terrible and have never seen any meaningful minutes in a big game, so how could Saniya be in there? Gotta glue'em to that bench.
 
I'm sure he absolutely meant it too since she was in for such long stretches against top opponents, and he'd certainly want a player in there who couldn't play defense at all so that Stanford wouldn't feel bad. It's the same with Stewie, who he's always saying doesn't have a clue about playing defense, so when three no-good defenders like Stewie, Chong, and KLM are on the court at the same time, that's when the opponents have been lighting the Huskies up for 70 to 80 points.
There you go, Dobbs, using sarcasm again. You are getting to be a regular Doug Piranha!
 
Obviously many points about that.

  • [ ]First, if Saniya's in it may well be to give Bria or MoJeff a rest, so there are may well be only one other guard in the game at that point, not "guards."
    [ ]Who a player starts off guarding is one thing, but after a screen or transfer around the perimeter guards have to switch off. It doesn't take much for an experienced ball handler and decent 3-pt shooter to work a screen to find the defender she wants to go against.

    [ ]Sims would likely have tried actively to "find" the less experienced freshman for a foul, as she played the whole game looking to get fouled with some crazy out of control shots.
    [ ]Sims saw action from multiple defenders during the game, though it was often a herding action toward a post player.

    [ ]UConn has been playing a lot of zone this year, which precludes a one-on-one situation with a picked defender, and even if that was not the main defense in the Baylor game, you have to have the personnel in to switch things up in key moments.

Don't take this the wrong way my friend - nearly all of us UCONN fans and love these players past and present to death. But I say this-- I think you are a very angry poster. But that's okay. To each his own. I do disagree with much of what you said (not all) but it's unimprotant and the game is long over. Just a few points:

Did you really think when I meant "guards" you couldn't deduce I didn't want to type out "Mo Jeff and Bria" then after I typed their names out you expected me to go on to say when one of them is out they would be the one to guard to Sims and then Chong would guard the other? I had to spell that out that one of the two who predominantly guarded Sims would be in the game with Chong when I referred to Mo Jeff and Bria as "guards?" Really?

Secondly, I know you and sawx got into a battle. You know you're reasoning of Chong not playing is extremely similar to his? He spoke of Chong's inexerperience when someone posted to bring in Chong. And here is what you said: "Sims would likely have tried actively to "find" the less experienced freshman for a foul . . ." Yet you title the thread about Saniya. Sawx on the thread you just referenced was agreeing with you regarding Saniya!


Third, sawx did say the bench of Stokes and Banks are "good players." Yet you are making a joke "about "the troll and the bench players not being any good" in a sarcastic manner. Sawx- like you - thinks they are good - at least on that thread. He just didn't want to see them (3 of them) in the game. Geno didn't want to see two of them in the game and it sure sounds like you didn't want to see Saniya in the game. So who are you "revolting" against?


Anyhow I'm done with this thread. Let's go Huskies!!
 
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Some don't suffer the stupidity of others well. Dobbs, however, I think has been very patient. I don't think he is angry at all.
 
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Too bad there is not a Professional Psychologist posting on The BoneYard, for surely he or she would see and passionately proclaim that Dodds is filled with humor, not anger. Just saying...
 
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Some don't the stupidity of others well. Dobbs, however, I think has been very patient. I don't think he is angry at all.

Did you mean to say, "Some don't take the stupidity of others well"
 
Did you mean to say, "Some don't suffer the stupidity of others well"
Nah, I had typed in "suffer" but somehow it got dropped. Thanks for catching that.
 
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Don't take this the wrong way my friend - nearly all of us UCONN fans and love these players past and present to death. But I say this-- I think you are a very angry poster.
We can all get in to throwing epithets around, and I could do so for you with a few choice adjectives, but the BY mods usually try to discourage posters like you from trying to sidestep the facts that are given to you by using innuendos. By all means, stoop away. Angry, frustrated, yeah, yeah. Those things can come from neuronically challenged posts.

Sorry if I wasn't astute enough to understand that your inability to type out names somehow meant that I should understand what you meant and that it somehow meant anything. Again as noted, Sims is the type of player that requires two guards (and post players eventually) to give her some attention together, and there is a lot of switching off during the action that can force a second guard to be the main defender on her at any one moment. Only in your world of video games with strict one-on-one matchups is there a "predominant defender" that is glued to Sims all the time.

Now since you are the sawx champion, let's just say that anyone who posts during a game thread such things as "Who? Chong a freshman? Stokes or Banks who have zero meaningful minutes in their lives?" in commenting on the use of bench players in the Baylor game, and that followed it up by ranting at everyone who disagreed with him, "Oh and by the way I have forgotten more about this game then you will ever know. Don't stoop to calling names you look like a child." So perhaps even your friend sawxsie would think that calling other posters "angry" is a little childish, though he's probably already forgotten he said that since he seems to have forgotten so much. And if you really believe that Sawx believes that two players who have never gotten, as he says, any meaningful minutes are, as you say "good players," I do think a visit to the pharmacy might be in order to take care of the strange delusions.

As to whether Saniya should have been "trusted" to handle Sims, I will certainly go with whatever Geno believed on that point. She was probably too inexperienced for that particular matchup. That does not mean however that she is an "underperformer" as Sawx has claimed or that she has not seen big minutes in a lot of big games this season. It just means she's a freshman and needs a bit more seasoning before she can be asked to play any major role in containing Odyssey Sims. That's no crime or indictment.

But I still hope there's a place in the world for us angry old men with our Husky clad ties and our radical plans.
 
Dobbs you just cant give it up can you? HOW PATHETIC!!!! You are misquoting me so stop. If you happened to read the post after I said I mistyped and meant to say "zero minutes in meaningful games" which applied to the Baylor game. And as far as "I have forgotten more about this game then you will ever know" that is true. If you happen to read in this very thread I said that Saniya Chong is "way too tlented a player to have stats like that" but I don't think she is "good"? Then I talked up Kiah and said "If she remains confident she will be unstoppable"! DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND MAKE STUFF UP. Your the one that needs to go to the pharmacy my friend. We agreed one time to drop this and you just cant seem to do it. Both Geno and Chong herself stated that she was "underperforming" but you cant accept that. The very person we are argueing about agrees with me and Geno the person who watches that person the most also agrees with me and you still cant admit that YOU ARE WRONG. The definition of INSANITY is doing the same thing{in this case winning the argument} over and over and expecting different results{in this case you acknowledging you ARE WRONG} so this is the end for me.
 
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