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Text from connected ND fan: "Looks lik you'll steal Mike Elston as well. Poop. "Was DL coach, sounds like Diaco wants him as DC." "Not official yet, but I'd bet he leaves."
 
metsfan2323 said:
I'm sorry, but next year we play Stony Brook, Army, and I'm quite sure a few crappy AAC teams. 5-7 will be a fail. Just like it was a fail for P.
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Whose crappy in the AAC. Rutgers is gone replaced by ECU
Even Tulane is in a bowl.
The weak sisters are South Fla. and
Temple , former Big East teams.
Seven wins would be good
 
TouchdownHusky said:
Or maybe a Doc Blanchard & Glenn Davis type running game. Army used to be a national power, and their fans enjoyed that too. And for the record, the Donald Brown years were filled with 4-8 (1-6), 9-4 (5-2) and 8-5 (3-3) records for a grand total of 21-17 and 9-11 record for in conference. It would appear that the Donald Brown (and I really did enjoy watching BTW) type running game may have eaten up more clock than it did to score points. Keeping opposing O's off the field? How about just out scoring them?
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The crazier thing is that total conference wins under DB = total conference wins under seasons in the PP era.
 
metsfan2323 said:
That is very debatable. P went 5-7 and nobody liked it. Diaco is being handed a competent QB, P was not.
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It is not out of the realm of possibility that Diaco buys an older (but quite nice) house that happens to have paint peeling in the study. Foolishly he eats the paint chips, causing brain damage, leading him to decide our best approach is to field only seven players, all wide receivers, for every play, offense, defense and special teams. Leading us to an 0-12 record in 2014 where we are outscored 11,447 - 0.

Shy of something that drastic, I don't believe we are currently in a position to determine if the 2014 season can be viewed (in advance) as a success or failure based on a speculative middling won-lost record (nearly any won-lost record for that matter). We will be able to give the upcoming season the eye test and afterwards it is every bit as possible that 5-7 looked like a good coaching job as 7-5 (plus bowl game) having looked like a bad one.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
It is not out of the realm of possibility that Diaco buys an older (but quite nice) house that happens to have paint peeling in the study. Foolishly he eats the paint chips, causing brain damage, leading him to decide our best approach is to field only seven players, all wide receivers, for every play, offense, defense and special teams. Leading us to an 0-12 record in 2014 where we are outscored 11,447 - 0.

Wow, had a few of those "chips" yourself? ;) Chuckling as I write this and applaud the creativity to make your point, but your "realm of the possible" seems just a tad On The Far Sidish. ;) Nonetheless, I trust BD is now able to afford a newer home not in dire need of paint.
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Jax Husky said:
That's one example. Every Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, or Ravens title was based on an amazing defense. Of course you have to run a competent offense, but that doesn't mean you have to be throwing the ball all over. Think of Stanford v Oregon this year when the Cardinal stuffed them on D and just ran the ball down their throats at 7 yards a clip. Twas truly a thing of beauty. A strong ball control offense to compliment a smothering D is the recipe I like.
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Save it. Air Cochran, baby. This program hasn't had this much excitement in years. Heck, it hasn't had this much offense in years. Do they need to throw 56 times a game (and in a game their winning and not playing catch up)? Probably not. But 40 passes a game would be a good base. Air UConn! Finally some contemporary offense for fans to see.
 
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TouchdownHusky said:
Save it. Air Cochran, baby. This program hasn't had this much excitement in years. Heck, it hasn't had this much offense in years. Do they need to throw 56 times a game (and in a game their winning and not playing catch up)? Probably not. But 40 passes a game would be a good base. Air UConn! Finally some contemporary offense for fans to see.
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Who are some of the teams you'd like us to emulate? There aren't many good teams that air it out a lot. I can think of Baylor, Okie St, and that is about it.
 
Jax Husky said:
Who are some of the teams you'd like us to emulate? There aren't many good teams that air it out a lot. I can think of Baylor, Okie St, and that is about it.
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Think of it in baseball terms. When a team can't match up offensively from top of the order to bottom of the order, they many times can "ride" a hot pitcher to a win. Pitching in baseball is often times the great equalizer. In football, you can compensate for not having the best talent on the field position for position, by "riding" a hot QB and talented WR's. They often can carry a club. No way Texas A&M is as good or as talent up and down the line as the Alabama team they beat last year, but Manziell and his receivers compensate for the talent disparity
 
TouchdownHusky said:
Think of it in baseball terms. When a team can't match up offensively from top of the order to bottom of the order, they many times can "ride" a hot pitcher to a win. Pitching in baseball is often times the great equalizer. In football, you can compensate for not having the best talent on the field position for position, by "riding" a hot QB and talented WR's. They often can carry a club. No way Texas A&M is as good or as talent up and down the line as the Alabama team they beat last year, but Manziell and his receivers compensate for the talent disparity
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LOL, you aren't often going to have a guy like Johnny Football back there. Also, last year's Texas A&M OL was better than Bama's front 4. They had Joeckel, Matthews, and a couple other OL that were as good as any in the country. A&M ran the ball well last year (over 3000 yards as a team). This year they don't, and they have 4 losses with the best player in the country at QB. Defense tends to be much more reliable, and controlling the football on the the ground is critical to successful football teams. Even teams that like to air it out are at their best when they can run the ball well. I am not suggesting you don't try and score a lot (see my post about Pete Carroll and Nick Saban), just that you don't have to throw the ball 40 times to win titles. No NC team has ever averaged throwing the ball 40 times per game.

Also, the pitcher is "Defense" in baseball, so your analogy sort of reinforces my point.
 
Jax Husky said:
LOL, you aren't often going to have a guy like Johnny Football back there. Also, last year's Texas A&M OL was better than Bama's front 4. They had Joeckel, Matthews, and a couple other OL that were as good as any in the country. A&M ran the ball well last year (over 3000 yards as a team). This year they don't, and they have 4 losses with the best player in the country at QB. Defense tends to be much more reliable, and controlling the football on the the ground is critical to successful football teams. Even teams that like to air it out are at their best when they can run the ball well. I am not suggesting you don't try and score a lot (see my post about Pete Carroll and Nick Saban), just that you don't have to throw the ball 40 times to win titles. No NC team has ever averaged throwing the ball 40 times per game.

Couple of points of clarification are in order:

1. I'm not against having a great defense. I'll take the '85 Bears facsimile in we can get that quality of player. Heck, 3-and-out, 3-and-out, 3-and-out . . . . leaves way more time for offense.

2. If and when the time comes that UConn is attracting the level and depth of talent to contend for the NC, I'll be fine with them throwing less than 40 times per game.

3. Right now though UConn is trying to rebuild what they already had a good start on. They are trying to rebuild (and increase) a fan base, they are attempting to position themselves for an invite to a Power 5 conference and in doing so want to be able to tout widespread interest in an exciting program. Best chance to get there quickest is to be an exciting, high scoring team that more often than not puts more points on the board then their opponents.
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As long as you have a good D and STs if you can run the ball and kill clock you will usually win! Everyone today is obsessed with high flying offense's that look pretty when they click but I'm a traditionalist. I hate all the new rules favoring the O!
 
I haven't read through all of the responses to this thread (so I apologize if I'm repeating), but obviously the OP didn't watch the presser. One of the many, many great moments from Diaco's press conference yesterday was when he described his vision of the offense. He wants to throw the ball down field ALOT. Warde even chimed in with a "that's why I love him" comment that got quite the chuckle. He's the perfect marriage of what we want and need: a great defensive mind that seems to lean more towards an aggressive philosophy on offense. It's nice to score alot of points but what's the point if you have a crummy defense? With Diaco, we hope to have both.
 
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As long as we win no one will be bored. I get bored watching pretty high flying offenses that can't stop anyone! It'll be interesting to see if Boise can keep it going w/o Chris Petersen? Seems Fresno already is passing them by in the MWC? CP see the writing on the wall ?
 
NickyNewark said:
As long as we win no one will be bored. I get bored watching pretty high flying offenses that can't stop anyone! It'll be interesting to see if Boise can keep it going w/o Chris Petersen? Seems Fresno already is passing them by in the MWC? CP see the writing on the wall ?
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And there are people out there who get bored watching all those pesky homeruns in baseball. And don't even get them started about doubles and triples. Raise the pitchers mound and move the fences back is their mantra. Same for soccer, people in this country absolutely love the sport because of the prospects that maybe they'll actually see a goal before the teams pull back on defense to totally stifle any further attacks on goal.
 
TouchdownHusky said:
And there are people out there who get bored watching all those pesky homeruns in baseball. And don't even get them started about doubles and triples. Raise the pitchers mound and move the fences back is their mantra. Same for soccer, people in this country absolutely love the sport because of the prospects that maybe they'll actually see a goal before the teams pull back on defense to totally stifle any further attacks on goal.
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TDH, I enjoy that you can discuss our opposing views rationally. I am sure we both agree that the most fun thing to watch is winning games, regardless of how it happens. Can't wait for August already. Cheers !
 
NickyNewark said:
As long as you have a good D and STs if you can run the ball and kill clock you will usually win! Everyone today is obsessed with high flying offense's that look pretty when they click but I'm a traditionalist. I hate all the new rules favoring the O!
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And this just in from the President of the Woody Hayes: Three yards and a cloud of dust fan club.
 
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Jax Husky said:
TDH, I enjoy that you can discuss our opposing views rationally. I am sure we both agree that the most fun thing to watch is winning games, regardless of how it happens. Can't wait for August already. Cheers !
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Indeed. Happy holidays, Jax.
 
It's not about how we win, it's about how often we win and who we win against.

If Diaco can get this thing turned around, fannies will return to the seats and all the positive mojo the program lost post-Fiesta Bowl will start to come back.
 
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TouchdownHusky said:
And this just in from the President of the Woody Hayes: Three yards and a cloud of dust fan club.
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Very funny....I was thinking more along the lines of a Stanford or MSU in CFB or the NY Giants/Seattle/49er type O in the NFL, not "50s" OSU bland !!.... come on TDHusky expand your mind a little and don't think so narrowly? Lets think B1G. Under cold, gray November sky's in NE the "hawk" ain't real kind to high,tight spiral's spinning downfield in late afternoon or evening!!
 
NickyNewark said:
Very funny....I was thinking more along the lines of a Stanford or MSU in CFB or the NY Giants/Seattle/49er type O in the NFL, not "50s" OSU bland !!.... come on TDHusky expand your mind a little and don't think so narrowly? Lets think B1G. Under cold, gray November sky's in NE the "hawk" ain't real kind to high,tight spiral's spinning downfield in late afternoon or evening!!
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Don't waste your time. TDH would rather score 50 and lose than 10 and win.
 
Jax Husky said:
That's one example. Every Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, or Ravens title was based on an amazing defense. Of course you have to run a competent offense, but that doesn't mean you have to be throwing the ball all over. Think of Stanford v Oregon this year when the Cardinal stuffed them on D and just ran the ball down their throats at 7 yards a clip. Twas truly a thing of beauty. A strong ball control offense to compliment a smothering D is the recipe I like.
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That philosophy failed against Oklahoma.
 
JaYnYcE said:
That philosophy failed against Oklahoma.
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Yeah, it was the philosophy that killed us that game. Yup. Because it's always a bad idea to run the ball with an NFL running back and an NFL fullback blocking for him in an important game (Todman had 121 yards of rushing).

That, or maybe it was the fact that we threw not one but TWO pick-6's to Oklahoma and our quarterback went 19 for 39. It was definitely one or the other...

(that's not an indictment on Frazer; Oklahoma was every bit a top10 team with a lot of pro talent that year and ended the year as the hottest team in football, but it doesn't help when we give away 14 points)
 
No conference chucks it around more than the Big 12. They are the epitome of TDH's fantasy - defense is clearly an afterthought.

How many national championships have the Big12 won of late?
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Yeah, it was the philosophy that killed us that game. Yup. Because it's always a bad idea to run the ball with an NFL running back and an NFL fullback blocking for him in an important game (Todman had 121 yards of rushing).

That, or maybe it was the fact that we threw not one but TWO pick-6's to Oklahoma and our quarterback went 19 for 39. It was definitely one or the other...

(that's not an indictment on Frazer; Oklahoma was every bit a top10 team with a lot of pro talent that year and ended the year as the hottest team in football, but it doesn't help when we give away 14 points)
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If I remember correctly both of those pick six's bounced off our WR's hands (and there were quite a few other drops in that game). Zach was far from perfect when he was here but our pass catchers did very little to help him in that game.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
If I remember correctly both of those pick six's bounced off our WR's hands (and there were quite a few other drops in that game). Zach was far from perfect when he was here but our pass catchers did very little to help him in that game.
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And therein lies some of the issue I have with a pass happy offense. It is often more unpredictable, with many more variables. The passing game was actually what killed UConn in that Fiesta bowl. Add to that, the fact that Oklahoma was just all around a more talented team, and it really isn't a good argument against my point (that I prefer a ball control offense and smothering D).
 
FfldCntyFan said:
If I remember correctly both of those pick six's bounced off our WR's hands (and there were quite a few other drops in that game). Zach was far from perfect when he was here but our pass catchers did very little to help him in that game.
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You're absolutely right about that, no doubt about it. In fact, if I recall correctly, one of the passes bounced off of a chest (an even bigger error than off the hands). That's why I put my disclaimer that I wasn't trying to call out Zach. But my point was that if you have an NFL quality running back (Todman) and an NFL quality fullback (Sherman) and at least two offensive lineman that ended up in the NFL (Zach Hurd - Raiders, Mike Ryan - Bengals)......then you run the ball!!! I know, I know....I shouldn't have fed that troll by responding to his original post, but whatever...
 
Yeah, the head coach "not being invested in the game" was what caused our two WRs to drop catchable balls that resulted in pick 6's to effectively end the game.

Even with nothing but pride on the line late in the game we couldn't punch it in the endzone.

Not because OU was just bigger, faster, and better. But because Edsall had his eyes on Maryland.

:confused::rolleyes:
 
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