i'm all ears NelsonMuntz

[metsfan2323]

What I'm saying is there is a possible scenario where the big east schools break away with the power 5 and at the same time uconn gets passed over and left in the AAC in a lower division in the NCAA

There is a better chance that we go 13 - 0.

 

[UConnDan97]

There is a better chance that we go 13 - 0.

Of course there is a better chance that we go 13-0, but that's mostly due to the fact that we are going to go 13-0...

 

[pj]

Dan, if that scenario comes to pass, we'll be able to join the new BE for bball and other sports and play football only in the AAC. There's no need to drop football. If the AAC accepts Navy as football only, they'll accept us.

For now, we're better off collecting the exit fees etc in the AAC and positioning ourselves to jump as things shake out. We should be exploring the possibility of football independence or of separating conference affiliations in football and other sports.

There's no guarantee the new BE is going to prove a better basketball league than the AAC. Cincy, Temple, Memphis, Houston have historically been on par with most of the new BE teams; UConn superior; and as the ACC shows, you only really need a steady dose of a few good teams that repeatedly make noise in March to make the whole conference appear good.

I do think we have to get out of ESPN's clutches and build some sort of relationship with Fox and the regional cable channels. UConn needs to take control of its own TV rights and marketing as much as possible. Leaving them in Aresco's hands has not served the school well.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

We would have been better off going independent for football and joining the Big East for hoops than joining the AAC for all sports. This was a mistake in every way possible.

 

[J187Money]

We would have been better off going independent for football and joining the Big East for hoops than joining the AAC for all sports. This was a mistake in every way possible.

You might be right. But what's done is done.

 

[CL82]

There is a better chance that we go 13 - 0.

See now Dan is reading this as "So there's a decent chance" because he always has us at 13 - 0.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I don't think the private schools want to compete with public schools.
So that was never sn option.

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[Pudge]

We would have been better off going independent for football and joining the Big East for hoops than joining the AAC for all sports. This was a mistake in every way possible.

A. This choice was not an option for us. The New Big East would not have taken us.

B. Independent in football??? That's obviously a non-starter.

We make very little over the next few years (excepting the collection of FEES). We build for a time that someone recognizes how really solid we are becoming ... and it's Football that drives this.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Reading the football preview magazines is incredibly depressing. Next football season is going to feel like a wake. I do not see any way to compete in football with the revenue disadvantage that UConn currently has. Our next coach is a second tier assistant that has already been passed over for major jobs. In case you are wondering whether to drink the hemlock or not, I don't think we will even get another HC with a resume as strong as Pasqualoni's.

Ollie will hang around for a while, until he sees how hard it is to recruit in the big cities in the north without conference opponents in those same cities. He also isn't going to enjoy non-stop travel to the south to play mid-major programs that draw 100 fans. Then he will be the next USC coach or some other random Pac 12 program that doesn't care about basketball and the 500 fans that show up are baked out of their minds but the school can afford to pay $3MM a year for coaches to go .500. Auriemma is not going to fall on his sword. La Tech was once a powerhouse in women's hoop, and they just went 9-9 in the WAC. Auriemma will not ride the roller coaster to the bottom, because there is no track back up, just a brick wall. I think Auriemma takes a mid-major men's job before he coaches a mid-major UConn women's team back to mediocrity.

Conference affiliation is painful. The lack of revenue is fatal.

 

[djct1999]

Reading the football preview magazines is incredibly depressing. Next football season is going to feel like a wake. I do not see any way to compete in football with the revenue disadvantage that UConn currently has. Our next coach is a second tier assistant that has already been passed over for major jobs. In case you are wondering whether to drink the hemlock or not, I don't think we will even get another HC with a resume as strong as Pasqualoni's.

Ollie will hang around for a while, until he sees how hard it is to recruit in the big cities in the north without conference opponents in those same cities. He also isn't going to enjoy non-stop travel to the south to play mid-major programs that draw 100 fans. Then he will be the next USC coach or some other random Pac 12 program that doesn't care about basketball and the 500 fans that show up are baked out of their minds but the school can afford to pay $3MM a year for coaches to go .500. Auriemma is not going to fall on his sword. La Tech was once a powerhouse in women's hoop, and they just went 9-9 in the WAC. Auriemma will not ride the roller coaster to the bottom, because there is no track back up, just a brick wall. I think Auriemma takes a mid-major men's job before he coaches a mid-major UConn women's team back to mediocrity.

Conference affiliation is painful. The lack of revenue is fatal.

Agreed Nelson, for the most part. Very quickly, the lack of revenue will prove unsustainable. Something has to give but we have gone down this road a million times. Football in the AAC long-term will destroy the UCONN brand and the few programs that are still elite. I do think as long as Ollie continues to win, continues to get guys in the NBA, and continues to be a national storyline(all doable even in the aac) the basketball team can remain elite. As far as the UConn women and Geno are concerned, it doesn't really matter what conference they are in. They are women's hoops. I can't imagine what that sport will look like without Geno and a dominant Husky team, but I am sure most people won't even care at that point.

College sports has changed. Its less competitive on the field and more a war on tv ratings. My hope is that there will be a clear winner and loser, a network that does penetrate NYC and one that clearly doesn't. If so, one would think the loser would have to jump on adding UConn. We have 3-5 years for this to play out. If I am wrong, my last hope is for Ollie to see this through. At that point, I don't see any choice but to euthanize football and join the big east in hoops. Anything else will be unsustainable.

 

[RS9999X]

Basketball will survive OK. UConn will need to do the Gonzaga thing: Book great tourneys and book great OOC teams appealing to ESPN and Network TV.

Football is much tougher. The good news is the recruiting was never good in football. I doubt it gets much worse. I do expect we will see coaches lured away every 5 years.

By 2020 UConn will be available on Xbox as a separate 24/7 Channel' and other teams will be pushing for their own team channels complete with Forums and Social Networks and apps and a subscription fee and a merchandise store and games to be played on devices and in bars.

 

[coachcap]

Agreed Nelson, for the most part. Very quickly, the lack of revenue will prove unsustainable. Something has to give but we have gone down this road a million times. Football in the AAC long-term will destroy the UCONN brand and the few programs that are still elite. I do think as long as Ollie continues to win, continues to get guys in the NBA, and continues to be a national storyline(all doable even in the aac) the basketball team can remain elite. As far as the UConn women and Geno are concerned, it doesn't really matter what conference they are in. They are women's hoops. I can't imagine what that sport will look like without Geno and a dominant Husky team, but I am sure most people won't even care at that point.

College sports has changed. Its less competitive on the field and more a war on tv ratings. My hope is that there will be a clear winner and loser, a network that does penetrate NYC and one that clearly doesn't. If so, one would think the loser would have to jump on adding UConn. We have 3-5 years for this to play out. If I am wrong, my last hope is for Ollie to see this through. At that point, I don't see any choice but to euthanize football and join the big east in hoops. Anything else will be unsustainable.

Euthanize football? If it gets to that point, heads will roll. With the dollars involved (eg. the Burton & Shenckman donations, Rent construction), killing off the football team will cause a major purge in the University's administration.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Euthanize football? If it gets to that point, heads will roll. With the dollars involved (eg. the Burton & Shenckman donations, Rent construction), killing off the football team will cause a major purge in the University's administration.

The football team has three choices:

1) Lose $5MM a year to stay competitive.

2) Go 2-10 every year selling the non-conference schedule to SEC teams and playing in front of crickets at home.

3) Shut the football program down.

You tell me which they will pick.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The football team has three choices:

1) Lose $5MM a year to stay competitive.

2) Go 2-10 every year selling the non-conference schedule to SEC teams and playing in front of crickets at home.

3) Shut the football program down.

You tell me which they will pick.

Where does your $5M come from? Serious question.

 

[uchusky32]

Where does your $5M come from? Serious question.

Where farts come from.

 

[whaler11]

Where does your $5M come from? Serious question.

He was the most vocal person about the Big East turning down $12 million a team and going to market. We saw what a winning strategy that was. The more negative he is about the path UConn is taking the more likely it is the right road.

 

[woomba]

He was the most vocal person about the Big East turning down $12 a team and going to market. We saw what a winning strategy that was. The more negative he is about the path UConn is taking the more likely it is the right road.

I thought the Big East simply didn't have the votes to approve the deal due to multiple members already having talks with the ACC at the time and were on their way out?

I'm not sure if there are any current members in the AAC who voted against the original deal...

 

[whaler11]

I thought the Big East simply didn't have the votes to approve the deal due to multiple members already having talks with the ACC at the time and were on their way out?

I'm not sure if there are any current members in the AAC who voted against the original deal...

According to the stories talks with Pitt and Syracuse hadn't started yet.

Who knows because it doesn't matter. Nelson was banging a drum to go to market no matter what - NBC was going to be sitting and waiting with a pot of gold.

 

[itgoeslike]

The football team has three choices:

1) Lose $5MM a year to stay competitive.

2) Go 2-10 every year selling the non-conference schedule to SEC teams and playing in front of crickets at home.

3) Shut the football program down.

You tell me which they will pick.

#3 would generate a greater overall net loss than #1, so go with #1, but don't treat it as a loss, but rather treat it as an investment that staves off greater losses.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The football team has three choices:

1) Lose $5MM a year to stay competitive.

2) Go 2-10 every year selling the non-conference schedule to SEC teams and playing in front of crickets at home.

3) Shut the football program down.

You tell me which they will pick.

During the Korean War the 1st Marine Div was encircled by Chinese troops. Outnumbered 10-1 they fought their way back to safety.
The weather was sub zero and they suffered great casualties.
I worked with a veteran of that battle.
The only pride he took from that famous battle was the fact that they didn't leave any of their killed or wounded behind.
Leaving behind the weak is a profound act of cowardice.
We are not cowards.

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[whaler11]

#3 would generate a greater overall net loss than #1, so go with #1, but don't treat it as a loss, but rather treat it as an investment that staves off greater losses.

Killing football also takes any conference improvement of the table permanently.

I'm not sure how one concludes that no football is better than AAC football. It's not like it's really any different than the last decade in the Big East.

All for the incremental improvement of playing Georgetown and Villanova instead of Memphis and Temple. Nothing like being the only public school in a league dominated by Catholic schools. What a great fit.

 

[itgoeslike]

Killing football also takes any conference improvement of the table permanently.

I'm not sure how one concludes that no football is better than AAC football. It's not like it's really any different than the last decade in the Big East.

All for the incremental improvement of playing Georgetown and Villanova instead of Memphis and Temple. Nothing like being the only public school in a league dominated by Catholic schools. What a great fit.

Agreed. Ditching football is not going to make us more attractive to other conferences (accept maybe NBE, A10, etc.). Playing in the AAC is not desirable (no matter what ESPN says), but it is our best option at the moment. Plus, you have to look at where UCONN want's to go. $5M (if it is $5M), is still a drop in the bucket if we want grow our research expenditures to $500M, grow our endowment to $1B, become a top 10 public research university, etc. I think our athletics and our national brand is an important piece of the puzzle and worth investing in.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Whaler keeps making the same argument about how turning down the ESPN deal was a bad idea for the Big East. For 14 of the 17 members of the league in 2011, turning down ESPN has looked like genius.

 

[Adios]

We are not cowards.

Apparently, there's at least one here.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Killing football also takes any conference improvement of the table permanently.

I'm not sure how one concludes that no football is better than AAC football. It's not like it's really any different than the last decade in the Big East.

All for the incremental improvement of playing Georgetown and Villanova instead of Memphis and Temple. Nothing like being the only public school in a league dominated by Catholic schools. What a great fit.

This is a prototype of a Whaler post.

1) Conference improvement is on life support as is, and the school will have to fund millions in losses to find out that neither the B1G or ACC want them in 2018.

2) The last decade of Big East football was pretty amazing. The AAC is not awful as a football conference, but whereas the Big East was winning about half its games against major conference opponents (just about every year but 2010), the AAC will win about 1/3.

3) The difference in fan interest between the middle and bottom of the Big East and the middle and bottom of the AAC is enormous. ECU, Houston, SMU and Tulsa are bad programs that play in front of crickets.

4) We are a northern school in a southern mid major league where we have not been in a league with any program more than 8 years. I would say we are a pretty awful fit in the AAC.

 

[CAHUSKY]

This is a prototype of a Whaler post.



3) The difference in fan interest between the middle and bottom of the Big East and the middle and bottom of the AAC is enormous. ECU, Houston, SMU and Tulsa are bad programs that play in front of crickets.

ECU averages 47,000 (would have been third in big east)
Houston averages 27,000
That's better than "crickets"
SMU and Tulsa suck. About 21,000 each

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Conference_USA_football_season#Attendance

 

[zls44]

For 14 of the 17 members of the league in 2011, turning down ESPN has looked like genius.

Especially the part where the Catholic BB schools are making less now than the ESPN offer, on a smaller network AND lose games against Louisville, UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh. Freaking genius.

 

[whaler11]

This is a prototype of a Whaler post.

1) Conference improvement is on life support as is, and the school will have to fund millions in losses to find out that neither the B1G or ACC want them in 2018.

2) The last decade of Big East football was pretty amazing. The AAC is not awful as a football conference, but whereas the Big East was winning about half its games against major conference opponents (just about every year but 2010), the AAC will win about 1/3.

3) The difference in fan interest between the middle and bottom of the Big East and the middle and bottom of the AAC is enormous. ECU, Houston, SMU and Tulsa are bad programs that play in front of crickets.

4) We are a northern school in a southern mid major league where we have not been in a league with any program more than 8 years. I would say we are a pretty awful fit in the AAC.

Yes my post is reasonable and makes sense.

Only you Waylon could possibly try to argue that UConn is a better fit with 10 tiny private schools, 9 of them Catholic.

The Big East football conference was pretty amazing? There is one person who has that opinion. You.

You are just lost. ECU plays in front of crickets?

For some reason you are hard for playing Providence and Seton Hall. Since you'd clearly prefer not having a football program to having one why don't you just stop paying attention and commenting now?

 

[whaler11]

Whaler keeps making the same argument about how turning down the ESPN deal was a bad idea for the Big East. For 14 of the 17 members of the league in 2011, turning down ESPN has looked like genius.

LOL you truly are just dim and will lie to support any ridiculous argument.

You were the staunchest supporter of the hybrid on the planet besides the dopes in Providence.

Now your angle is that taking it to the market was the right strategy because somehow your strategy was for each school maximizing it's individual standing - not what was best for the league? That's worse than half the crap you come up with in the Cesspool.

 

[djct1999]

Agreed. Ditching football is not going to make us more attractive to other conferences (accept maybe NBE, A10, etc.). Playing in the AAC is not desirable (no matter what ESPN says), but it is our best option at the moment. Plus, you have to look at where UCONN want's to go. $5M (if it is $5M), is still a drop in the bucket if we want grow our research expenditures to $500M, grow our endowment to $1B, become a top 10 public research university, etc. I think our athletics and our national brand is an important piece of the puzzle and worth investing in.

If preserving our athletic brand was so important, where was the administration when we had an acc invite all but lockedd up? Don't think for one minute this was about competition on the field. It was politics. And like lobbyists in politics, Warde and Herbst should have been in Tallahassee buying FSUs vote by assuring them an alliance and giving FSU the sense of power they coveted. Secondly, eliminating the football program is a last resort. We can win every game and sell out the Rent all we want, and that may help or may not, but in the end it comes down to one thing: money generated(or in UConns case in 4 years, money lost) primarily from our tv contract. The current AAC tv contract is unsustainable long term and the longer UConn remains in that conference, the more likely we all will see a major deterioration in the atheltic program trickle down and that elite national brand be a thing of the past. It comes down to money, nothing else. This idea that UConn will be less desirable to a major conference if we don't have football is a joke. UConn would only do this if it becomes very clear that an invite isn't coming!!!