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If you could travel back in time and give one piece of advice to a UConn AD regarding Conference Realignment, when and what?

The first ACC expansion was in 2003. UConn had played 3 years of FBS football and had an FBS record of 11-23 and they were not on the ACC's radar. During the second ACC expansion, UConn had a shot. UConn never had a shot at getting a Big 10 invite.
I have no idea whether Connecticut was "on the ACC radar" or not for the 2004 departures. One would think so, given that we were the reigning national champs at the time of the move.

We do know that in 2011 Connecticut was the original target to move to the ACC with Syracuse until Boston College objected.

I don't think anyone has ever speculated that we were ever a serious candidate to move to the Big Ten although I have heard numerous fanbase talk that they would've preferred us to Rutgers. Rutgers was the better choice, though, it was physically located within the NYCDMA, New Jersey is wedged between two major cities, New York and Philadelphia, and it has significant population density with 9 million in total population. The Rutgers move was about cable boxes, and given that, Rutgers was the right choice.
 
Since you guys are traveling in Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine, let me as a question. :) Were UConn fans happy and following the team when it was in the Yankee Conference? What would have happened to your athletic department if you had stayed there? Would the fans have continued to support it when all the football moves took place. I think your basketball program would still become the outstanding success it is, but what about football?
Well, I can't speak for everybody, but I enjoyed the football rivalries in the Yankee conference. I'm not sure Connecticut's basketball dominance happens if we had stayed in a New England regional conference. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have. In all likelihood Jim Calhoun would've never come to Connecticut.

How about you guys? If you had one trip in the way back machine where you could only give one piece of advice to a past athletic Director, what would it have been?
 
It's larger than 4 current schools in the ACC and equal to 3 others in the ACC. That puts us almost smack dab in the middle, and noticeably better than their current additions of SMU and Stanford. But enjoy your time rooting for BC...
It's cute you think I give a damn about BC. I don't. I'd rather UConn have their spot.
 
I think this discussion is missing 2 key things: 1) why are we telling our AD anything - he had one foot out the door to Michigan when Louisville took our spot. 2) I agree that the media and random perception has done no favors. VT lost to Stanford by the same that UConn lost to Oklahoma that year in its BCS bowl. No one ever talks about VT not being a real team who didn't deserve to be there. We were also within 2 possessions up until the 4th quarter and even had the ball on their side of the field before they blew the game open. Given how Edsall coached to keep games close, that game was never out of reach until the OK drive in the 4th quarter TD with 7+ minutes left. It just sucks that people latch onto the final score and the story they already had in their heads.
 
It's cute you think I give a damn about BC. I don't. I'd rather UConn have their spot.

It’s cute that you can come here and lecture us as if we don’t understand college football.
 
The first ACC expansion was in 2003. UConn had played 3 years of FBS football and had an FBS record of 11-23 and they were not on the ACC's radar. During the second ACC expansion, UConn had a shot. UConn never had a shot at getting a Big 10 invite.

The blackballing is taking DeFillipo at his word. Why would anyone do that? We should have been lobbying hard beginning in 2004 with anyone who would listen.
 
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Does anyone know the answer to this question?
I think the answer was that back in the late 1960s, schools had to classify their football program as either "University Division" or "College Division" of Division 1 and UConn chose the College Division as that was appropriate at the time. When football split into Division 1 and Division 1AA in 1978, there were criteria for D1 which included having a stadium >30k, attendance of 17k, and scholarship levels. I believe many MAC schools did not meet the criteria, but they somehow got to go D1.

Here is something that may be of interest to people.

John Toner had a storied career at UConn including getting UConn into the Big East, hiring Calhoun and Geno, overseeing the building of Gampel, and coached UConn football to 2 Yankee Conference football titles.

What is most interesting is his career timeline:

UConn football head coach 1966 to 1970
UConn Athletic Director 1969 to 1987
NCAA Secretary-Treasurer 1981 to 1983
NCAA President 1983 to 1985

As you can see, while he was AD at UConn, he also served as NCAA Secretary-Treasurer and later as NCAA President.

Clearly, he was wired in to what was happening with college sports, but I'm not sure he had the power or ability to do anything about it and, honestly, UConn wasn't ready. UConn back in the 1970s and 80s was not the UConn we know today especially when it comes to fundraising and state support.
 
It’s cute that you can come here and lecture us as if we don’t understand college football.
Stop acting like you don't, then. It's obvious some folks here get it. Others.... Not so much. Hell, UConn opted to focus on basketball instead of staying in the American. Staying in the American didn't hurt Cincinnati, Houston, UCF... Memphis and Tulane are more rumored to join a power conference. Didn't hurt them. UConn's lot in life currently starts and stops at how you guys have severely bungled the sport most care about.
 
Making it easier for UConn to become an AAU university would have been one of the benefits of a better location. How many other major college flagships are located in the middle of nowhere? Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, UCLA, Cal, all in or near a big city. There are some remote main campuses, like Penn State, but the majority of premier public universities are in urban areas. Few are in areas so remote and isolated that the location is considered a joke within the state.

Through the 80's, all the Northeastern state schools suffered from the problem of being in a region flooded with private schools there were the alma maters of many of the people deciding how much money the state schools were going to get. For the first 100+ years of Europeans being in the Northeast, Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell and Princeton were the colleges of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, New York City, upstate New York and New Jersey respectively. Other elite and kind-of-elite colleges grew up in the area, and by the time the state schools really started to become important after World War I, and really after World War II, UConn and the other Northeastern schools had to run a gauntlet of Ivy and Little Ivy and other private school graduates in their respective state houses, and their constituents, that did not feel like the state needed to invest in their own public universities. That didn't really change until the 90's. I went to UConn in the 90's, and while its reputation was improving rapidly, prior to UConn 2000 in 1995 or 1996, the campus looked like a place that no one cared about. UConn was not put out in some empty forest 15 miles from the nearest highway because anyone thought it was a good idea to put it there. UConn was put out in Storrs because no one cared where it went. The reality is that without the basketball programs exploding on the national scene in the early 1990's, UConn would not have gotten the funding to become the major university that it is today.

Ideas like "investing millions more into the football program in the 60's" sound fun, but the money was never there for that kind of investment. Arguing for investing in a New England state college football program in the 60's is like arguing for investing in unicorns and time travel. It would be fun if it was remotely possible. If you keep the dollars relatively even over the last 60 years, one of the few decisions that would have really made a difference for UConn, and the state of Connecticut, would have been to move the main campus to Hartford in the 90's.
So, Storrs is unbelievably small. But there are plenty of flagship universities where the city is defined by its flagship university, and not the other way around. This is one of those ideas that sounds good in theory, but I honestly don't think it moves the needle one bit.
 
D1-AA was actually an upgrade for the Yankee conference (UNH, Maine, UMass, BU, UCONN & URI) schools, when they moved from D2 (formerly the NCAA College Division) to the 1-AA classification when it was created in 1978.

I’m not going to look it up, but wasn’t I-AA created because schools had to have all sports competing in the same division.
 
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D1-AA was actually an upgrade for the Yankee conference (UNH, Maine, UMass, BU, UCONN & URI) schools, when they moved from D2 (formerly the NCAA College Division) to the 1-AA classification when it was created in 1978.
That is correct. In 1973, the Yankee Conference was designated Division 2 as were all of the College Division D1 football schools. When 1AA was formed, the Yankee Conference moved to 1AA.
 
Stop acting like you don't, then. It's obvious some folks here get it. Others.... Not so much. Hell, UConn opted to focus on basketball instead of staying in the American. Staying in the American didn't hurt Cincinnati, Houston, UCF... Memphis and Tulane are more rumored to join a power conference. Didn't hurt them. UConn's lot in life currently starts and stops at how you guys have severely bungled the sport most care about.
And he moves on to trying to be insulting/provocative in the next stage of the life cycle of a troll. Up next: feigned victimhood.:D
 
D1-AA was actually an upgrade for the Yankee conference (UNH, Maine, UMass, BU, UCONN & URI) schools, when they moved from D2 (formerly the NCAA College Division) to the 1-AA classification when it was created in 1978.
We only had 12 football scholarships in 1973. There is a reason we started beating Yale later in the early 80s...
 
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Well, I can't speak for everybody, but I enjoyed the football rivalries in the Yankee conference. I'm not sure Connecticut's basketball dominance happens if we had stayed in a New England regional conference. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have. In all likelihood Jim Calhoun would've never come to Connecticut.

How about you guys? If you had one trip in the way back machine where you could only give one piece of advice to a past athletic Director, what would it have been?
AD Jake Crouthamel was a driving force in the creation of the oBE, probably one of the most successful conferences in pre-realignment history. He was nearing the end of his career at SU and didn't like (along with Jim Boeheim) the idea of SU leaving the oBE with its great BB rivalries. When the 3-member ACC committee came to vet SU, Jake's response was somewhat less that welcoming. It wasn't difficult then for the ACC to replace SU with VT in the selection process. If SU had been accepted in 2003, the money would have started to flow and new facilities and higher coach salaries would have resulted. Perhaps SU wouldn't have wandered in the wilderness for more than a decade.
 
AD Jake Crouthamel was a driving force in the creation of the oBE, probably one of the most successful conferences in pre-realignment history. He was nearing the end of his career at SU and didn't like (along with Jim Boeheim) the idea of SU leaving the oBE with its great BB rivalries. When the 3-member ACC committee came to vet SU, Jake's response was somewhat less that welcoming. It wasn't difficult then for the ACC to replace SU with VT in the selection process. If SU had been accepted in 2003, the money would have started to flow and new facilities and higher coach salaries would have resulted. Perhaps SU wouldn't have wandered in the wilderness for more than a decade.

You’re not out of the woods yet.
 
AD Jake Crouthamel was a driving force in the creation of the oBE, probably one of the most successful conferences in pre-realignment history. He was nearing the end of his career at SU and didn't like (along with Jim Boeheim) the idea of SU leaving the oBE with its great BB rivalries. When the 3-member ACC committee came to vet SU, Jake's response was somewhat less that welcoming. It wasn't difficult then for the ACC to replace SU with VT in the selection process. If SU had been accepted in 2003, the money would have started to flow and new facilities and higher coach salaries would have resulted. Perhaps SU wouldn't have wandered in the wilderness for more than a decade.
Interesting! My guess was going to be to tell the A.D. not to keep Paul Pasqualone after Donovan McNabb left.

It's a shame that Syracuse was faced with a choice between revenue and conference affiliation. I feel like it was at its best basketball wise in the big east.
 
Maybe stop antagonizing? I've been nothing short of respectful and honest and offered a different perspective. You've harassed me from jump because you're more worried about who I cheer for than discussing realignment on a realignment board.
Lol, and there it is, right on time: "feigned victimhood."
 
AD Jake Crouthamel was a driving force in the creation of the oBE, probably one of the most successful conferences in pre-realignment history. He was nearing the end of his career at SU and didn't like (along with Jim Boeheim) the idea of SU leaving the oBE with its great BB rivalries. When the 3-member ACC committee came to vet SU, Jake's response was somewhat less that welcoming. It wasn't difficult then for the ACC to replace SU with VT in the selection process.
I remember Boeheim being very much against the move... that said VT was going to replace someone or there wasn't going to be expansion that year, the question was would it be BC or Syracuse that got left out. The ACC Expansion vote hinged on UVA accepting to get the necessary majority and the state intervened forcing a UVA no vote, until Virginia Tech was accepted (this is also where the theory that X State will be forced to be with X University to allow the move theory began)
 
If I remember right, didn't former ACC Commissioner John Swofford's son work at Boston College back when BC joined the ACC in 2003?

I would go back to 2002 and tell UConn to hire Swofford's son.
 
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If I remember right, didn't former ACC Commissioner John Swofford's son work at Boston College back when BC joined the ACC in 2003?

I would go back to 2002 and tell UConn to hire Swofford's son.
Doesn't always work out. Mark Emmert used to work at UConn, and there were very few people who screwed UConn harder than him...
 
Maybe stop antagonizing? I've been nothing short of respectful and honest and offered a different perspective. You've harassed me from jump because you're more worried about who I cheer for than discussing realignment on a realignment board.
I dunno. It seems to me you’ve been pretty condescending. When shown where you’re wrong, you just decide to attack from another angle.

Louisivlle fan, hmm?
 
AD Jake Crouthamel was a driving force in the creation of the oBE, probably one of the most successful conferences in pre-realignment history. He was nearing the end of his career at SU and didn't like (along with Jim Boeheim) the idea of SU leaving the oBE with its great BB rivalries. When the 3-member ACC committee came to vet SU, Jake's response was somewhat less that welcoming. It wasn't difficult then for the ACC to replace SU with VT in the selection process. If SU had been accepted in 2003, the money would have started to flow and new facilities and higher coach salaries would have resulted. Perhaps SU wouldn't have wandered in the wilderness for more than a decade.
You forgot the part where Jake Crouthamel collapsed in his kitchen when he learned that Syracuse had been passed over for Virginia Tech.
 
I would go back in time to the 1980s, and implement a plan to move the entire Storrs campus to Hartford by 2010. Investing billions over the last few decades into a campus in the woods of eastern Connecticut that the locals do not even want there while also investing billions into a small city like Hartford was wasted investment dollars. If UConn was in the state capital, 1) it would be higher ranked academically, 2) it would be a more desirable conference partner, 3) Hartford would be a much nicer city, and 4) the state of Connecticut would have saved billions over the last 35 years.

I have been told that this was actually discussed in the late 80's and early 90's among state legislators, but after some rough budget cycles, the will to make a big change never developed.

I agree. Even better, go farther back in time and make New Haven the capital and put UConn in New Haven. With proper investment (along with Yale's money) New Haven could have been a large city and kept its NHL hockey team.
 
With proper investment (along with Yale's money) New Haven could have been a large city and kept its NHL hockey team.
Ummm, so we would've had the New Haven Whalers instead of the New Haven Nighthawks...okay, that's a fair trade. I like your idea.
 
Connecticut has just screwed up its cities by not having county government. There’s no way to really fix our cities under this system.
 
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