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If we had not won the National Championship last season

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This might be the most ridiculous statement ever posted on this site:

"As far as I'm concerned we should win a championship every year and anything less is a dissapointment".

Yes. this season has been a big disappointment, but there are about 300 programs who would gladly trade places and take the 2009 Final Four and 2011 Nationl Championship.

Interpreted literally, that statement is absolutely ridiculous. But I think the sentiment behind it is one that elite programs express and take pride in: the idea that they expect to be in the championship conversation every year. And between the Ray Allen years and the Rudy Gay years, we were in the championship conversation 70% of the time. Lately, it's been closer to 30%.
 
The Red Sox had a general manager and manager who won 2 world championships, the first in 86 years. They missed the playoffs the last 2 years. The manager was fired and the GM left before he was fired. They could have easily been kept around but even the Red Sox could read the writing on the wall. My point is that if you look only at last year without looking at the trend over the past 5-6 years as on the original post you would think all is fine. I would rather make sure we fix what is wrong than ride the program down into obscurity. Some will be satisfied sleeping in their 2011 championship T shirts but I am concerned about what I have seen the past 5-6 years.
 
and if Jim Calhoun never came to Storrs, we would never have won anything ever

and then we'd still be playing 1AA football on campus

and if Geno didn't win all those championships, nobody would be following women's basketball

and if Wes Welker didn't drop the pass............................................

we won, we went to two final fours in 3 years, we're the best program in the country the last 13 years in terms of titles and elite eights and WINNING

can't spin that

Don't forget the "Tuck Rule" and eventually the Pats stealing their first Championship
 
But seriously guys, what if we didn't win World War 2?
We were lucky in that war. The Germans were overrated and had an bad shooting war. If they shot like they normally do we would have lost. It was the most boring war ever. The US army cheated during the recruitment of their soldiers.
 
By the way are you with me now on our lack of effort. I was yelling about it early in the season and you took offense and said I was an idiot basically. Well now would you agree that we have no heart or emotion out there?

In basketball and football, it is usually impossible to discern the difference between poor play and lack of effort. If, by effort, you mean physically exerting oneself to try to make plays. (Because if you mean by effort making the right play consistently, then we do have a lack of effort but you're defining effort by what I or you want them to do, as opposed to what they think is best, which strikes me as a poor use of the word). Same for "heart." If winning teams have heart and losing teams don't, then we don't have heart but if you mean by heart the players are trying to achieve what they think they are supposed to be achieving or each individual play, then I don't know whether this team does or doesn't.

I don't think the bulk of this team's problem is "effort" or "heart." I think the bulk of this team's problems are lack of confidence, lack of basketball IQ and lack of having any feel whatsoever for how the team as a whole is supposed to be playing, as opposed to individual roles.

That having been said, did the first half look like Marquette just wanted to win more than we did? Heck yes. But I still don't believe that is the primary reason for our underachievment.

And, without doing the research (so forgive me if I'm wrong), as I recall the discussion you were telling me individual players who had rings didn't have "heart" and weren't playing with "effort." And, given evidence to the contrary (i.e., the rights), I still believe that. I think the problem is still that these players don't function as a team. But that Roscoe or AO or Shabazz isn't consciously willing to sacrifice for the good of the team -- I have trouble accepting that because we wouldn't have won last year.
 
In basketball and football, it is usually impossible to discern the difference between poor play and lack of effort. If, by effort, you mean physically exerting oneself to try to make plays. (Because if you mean by effort making the right play consistently, then we do have a lack of effort but you're defining effort by what I or you want them to do, as opposed to what they think is best, which strikes me as a poor use of the word). Same for "heart." If winning teams have heart and losing teams don't, then we don't have heart but if you mean by heart the players are trying to achieve what they think they are supposed to be achieving or each individual play, then I don't know whether this team does or doesn't.

I don't think the bulk of this team's problem is "effort" or "heart." I think the bulk of this team's problems are lack of confidence, lack of basketball IQ and lack of having any feel whatsoever for how the team as a whole is supposed to be playing, as opposed to individual roles.

That having been said, did the first half look like Marquette just wanted to win more than we did? Heck yes. But I still don't believe that is the primary reason for our underachievment.

And, without doing the research (so forgive me if I'm wrong), as I recall the discussion you were telling me individual players who had rings didn't have "heart" and weren't playing with "effort." And, given evidence to the contrary (i.e., the rights), I still believe that. I think the problem is still that these players don't function as a team. But that Roscoe or AO or Shabazz isn't consciously willing to sacrifice for the good of the team -- I have trouble accepting that because we wouldn't have won last year.

It could be interpreted that Marquette wanted to win more than we did, but to me it looked like they knew how to play together in order to win. They were focused, played aggressive defense, and did not seem to get rattled when the Huskies came back at them. They are a team with its top 2 players being seniors. They had a high level of composure and they kept with their stuff.

Our guys, on the other hand, often seem to lack focus and intensity on defense to start games and they seem to run good offense for the first 5 minutes (lately at least), then forget what they were doing that worked and slip back into not knowing what to do.
 
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So a 16-10 season is bad enough to change us from arguing that we are better than some of the bluebloods to saying the program is spiraling to its demise?
 
In the past 8 seasons UConn has 2 National Championships, another Final 4 appearance, and an Elite 8. I'd say that stacks up favorably with any program in the country and far outweighs the disappointment of this year.

That said, I would have hope that this team would have gone 19-7 so far and would be firmly in the NCAA Tourney conversation.
 
So a 16-10 season is bad enough to change us from arguing that we are better than some of the bluebloods to saying the program is spiraling to its demise?
I wanted to highlight this. If any other blueblood school had the down years we've had lately, their coach would be on the hot seat. Around here people still think JC should coach until he decides it's time, even though that leaves Blaney in charge at times. Every school has trouble transitioning when a HOF coach leaves. Kentucky had trouble after Pitino, UNC had trouble after Dean Smith and IU had trouble after Knight. Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach. We need a succession plan and we need it fast. Wait until this time next year when we're 10-17 because our best players go pro or transfer due to us being ineligible, Calhoun is on medical leave and Blaney is in charge again.
 
I wanted to highlight this. If any other blueblood school had the down years we've had lately, their coach would be on the hot seat. Around here people still think JC should coach until he decides it's time, even though that leaves Blaney in charge at times. Every school has trouble transitioning when a HOF coach leaves. Kentucky had trouble after Pitino, UNC had trouble after Dean Smith and IU had trouble after Knight. Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach. We need a succession plan and we need it fast. Wait until this time next year when we're 10-17 because our best players go pro or transfer due to us being ineligible, Calhoun is on medical leave and Blaney is in charge again.
What did UNC do the season after their most recent NCAA title? I could be wrong but I believe they entered the NIT with a .500 record. It's a shame they fired Roy so soon after a national title. :rolleyes:
 
Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach.

Can you be anymore hyberbolic? The 24-win 2008 team was "wildly undercompetitive"?

The fate of this year's team hasn't been written yet - it's more likely an NCAA tournament team than an NIT team, believe it or not, and you're already calling it "wildly undercompetitive" too?

And guess what? Other coaches would not be on the hot seat for having disappointing years if they go to Final Fours and win National Championships in the non-disappointing years.
 
One of the main reasons I want this team to start winning--so that the really entitled and annoying posters, who think they're original but who are echoing the sentiments of idiots every time UConn has a down spell, go away.

Idiots were calling for JC to quit last year after they lost 7 of 11 to end the season. They did it the year before that, they did it 2006-07. Over and over again.

Inevitably they decide only to post after losses. Get über-defensive when people point that out (usually pointing out that they've been fans since the 1890s or so), and then invariably go away, because the team starts winning.

There are reasons to be annoyed. But these posters make a mockery of actually talking about the problems with their hyperbolic statements.
 
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If we make the NCAAs its a whole new season and hopefully the team will see it that way.

Making the NCAAs would make this a successful season as well.
 
One of the main reasons I want this team to start winning--so that the really entitled and annoying posters, who think they're original but who are echoing the sentiments of idiots every time UConn has a down spell, go away.

Idiots were calling for JC to quit last year after they lost 7 of 11 to end the season. They did it the year before that, they did it 2006-07. Over and over again.

Inevitably they decide only to post after losses. Get über-defensive when people point that out (usually pointing out that they've been fans since the 1890s or so), and then invariably go away, because the team starts winning.

There are reasons to be annoyed. But these posters make a mockery of actually talking about the problems with their hyperbolic statements.

You right the season isnt over yet all we have to do is beat villanova, providence, and pitt, and if we cant beat syracuse get 1 win in big east tournament and we will be safely in the NCAA tournament. Its that easy on paper now lets see what will happen.
 
The down seasons only enhance the good ones. Last season would not have been as enjoyable if we had won the two previous NC's. Winning the NIT was a big deal at the time. Now it would be a disapointment.
 
caw I like Calhoun and am thankful for what he has done for UCONN. The point is he has made big mistakes this year with this team. Last year he had a hungry group of guys who had a lot to prove and an all time great in kemba who nurtured he team and inspired them to give it their all. This year we dont have that and the coahing staff has not done a good job even you would admit this.

Right, that may or may not be the case. I know that is your opinion.

I am simply saying any perceived mistakes this year do not reflect on his coaching of last year's team.

This year the coaching staff has been hampered by Boatright's suspension (9 games is a ton for a top 5/6 player) and Calhoun's illness/suspension. If Boatright wasn't suspended and Calhoun healthy, would this team be better off. I believe they at least would have a better record.
 
I'll get blasted for this but had we not had the APR penalties and the Miles fiasco we would have had additional scholarships, which means we would have had a better backup PG than Allen. If we had those schollies we would have been in a much better situation to handle the boat fiasco. To say the coaching staff was hampered by that situation is fair, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
Right, that may or may not be the case. I know that is your opinion.

I am simply saying any perceived mistakes this year do not reflect on his coaching of last year's team.

This year the coaching staff has been hampered by Boatright's suspension (9 games is a ton for a top 5/6 player) and Calhoun's illness/suspension. If Boatright wasn't suspended and Calhoun healthy, would this team be better off. I believe they at least would have a better record.
 
I'll get blasted for this but had we not had the APR penalties and the Miles fiasco we would have had additional scholarships, which means we would have had a better backup PG than Allen. If we had those schollies we would have been in a much better situation to handle the boat fiasco. To say the coaching staff was hampered by that situation is fair, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
You are correct.

Don't see why you should get blasted for wondering about not having 2 schollies while others wonder what it would be like with less NCs.
 
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I'll get blasted for this but had we not had the APR penalties and the Miles fiasco we would have had additional scholarships, which means we would have had a better backup PG than Allen. If we had those schollies we would have been in a much better situation to handle the boat fiasco. To say the coaching staff was hampered by that situation is fair, but they have no one to blame but themselves.

I agree, it's also on the coaches (and the players who lost points) that there wasn't enough follow up on players finishing up. Back to the original point though, I don't see how last year's leadership by Calhoun/Kemba can be reflected in by any mistakes this year.
 
I agree, it's also on the coaches (and the players who lost points) that there wasn't enough follow up on players finishing up. Back to the original point though, I don't see how last year's leadership by Calhoun/Kemba can be reflected in by any mistakes this year.
I thought the point was that if we didn't win last year we would see that the program was I'm decline. My point is that EVEN with last year's NC we are a program in decline from the Ray - Rudy glory years.
 
I thought the point was that if we didn't win last year we would see that the program was I'm decline. My point is that EVEN with last year's NC we are a program in decline from the Ray - Rudy glory years.

The Ray - Rudy glory years? Rudy Gay? Exactly how many Final Fours did he go to? How many national championships did he win? How many Big East Championships? Because his doughnuts across the borad compare to two Final Fours, one Big East Championship and one National Championship in just the last three seasons.

Yes, if you mean we haven't won as many regular season games consistently as we used to you are right. But there are reasons for that besides what we do == the Big East is a lot deeper than it was, and the country is much more balanced and players leave more quickly making consistency more difficult (there are a lot of programs that don't consistently win as many games every year as they used to). And, to be certain, we have not maintained the year in and year out regular season performance that we used to.

But this remains a silly discussion. Were you on Wall Street screaming at the Giants parade that the team shouldn't be celebrated and Coughlan should be fired because he doesn't win enough regular season games? I would suggest that had you done that, you would either have been institutionalized or, more likely, had real fans, who respect championships, beat the crap out of you.
 
I thought the point was that if we didn't win last year we would see that the program was I'm decline. My point is that EVEN with last year's NC we are a program in decline from the Ray - Rudy glory years.

See, you can say "we're going to be in decline" because of the NCAA actions and Calhoun's future. I don't see how anyone could not be worried about that.

But to essentially say that we have been in decline over the past several years despite a final four and a title is ignorant. It shows a basic ignorance of our history since the Dream Season. Do you not recall '92? '93? '97? 2000? '01?

Do you not recall, the year after losing to Miss. St. in the Sweet 16 to end the Ray era without a final 4, the horror of the 1997 struggles? The surfer dude from Miami who hit 3 after 3 on us? Do you not recall the devastation at Michigan State in 2000?

We've always been a cyclical team. To have concern for the future given the NCAA and Calhoun's status is legit. But to say that a 4 year period in which we've tied our number of prior Final Fours is a period of decline? Well that's just stupid. Beyond stupid.
 
If we make the NCAAs its a whole new season and hopefully the team will see it that way.

Making the NCAAs would make this a successful season as well.

I totally disagree. This team returned 6 players from a national championship squad and added arguably our biggest recruit ever and two other big time recruits. A final four would make this a successful season, not just making the tournament.
 
Biz, get it through your head that we're not a consistent title contender year in and year out like we once were. And I sense frustration on your end with Rudy, you know Ray never went to a final four either, right?

I'm guessing that fans over thirty are ok with our last six years because they remember the down years, while those of us under 30 are used to UConn basketball being a national championship contender year in and year out. Maybe we're spoiled, but the new video says it best, "we don't come here to practice basketball, we come here to practice perfect."
 
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Biz, get it through your head that we're not a consistent title contender year in and year out like we once were. And I sense frustration on your end with Rudy, you know Ray never went to a final four either, right?

I'm guessing that fans over thirty are ok with our last six years because they remember the down years, while those of us under 30 are used to UConn basketball being a national championship contender year in and year out. Maybe we're spoiled, but the new video says it best, "we don't come here to practice basketball, we come here to practice perfect."

Ray won two Big East Championships. And did far, far more in his college career than Rudy Gay.

You're going to have to explain to me what makes you more of a title contender -- actually getting to a Final Four or winning a lot of regular season games. Because I can live with less regular season wins if we get to the Final Four every other year.
 
Biz, get it through your head that we're not a consistent title contender year in and year out like we once were. "

Uconn Final Fours from 2009-2011: 2
Uconn Final Fours in the glory days when we were "consistent title contenders year in and year out": 2

Kemba Walker is the only player in Uconn history to go to multiple Final Fours, and he left the program 10 months ago.
 
Uconn Final Fours from 2009-2011: 2
Uconn Final Fours in the glory days when we were "consistent title contenders year in and year out": 2

Kemba Walker is the only player in Uconn history to go to multiple Final Fours, and he left the program 10 months ago.

No. Donnell Beverly was on the same two Final Four teams.
 
two of the last three final fours, defending national champs

and we're a program in decline!!!! LOL

I'm telling you, you can't make this stupid up
 
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