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I'm satisfied with past performance, yet I still desperately want excellent present performance. What I'm not going to do is suggest we are in decline, having twice been to the most important set of games in college bball in the past several years.

I think there's ample evidence to suggest increased parity over the last half dozen years. I think there's also some things we are not doing as well as we once did, like blocking shots or boxing out.
 
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Perhaps your mother should have told you she loves you more then she did. You're an embarrassment of a UConn fan. No silver lining? Not that fact we won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP last year!?!? Get over yourself.
We did win. There is no disputing that. It's a fact and not a silver lining. However there is some validity to the posts about our disappointing seasons. We won last year and no one can take that away from us but that doesnt mask the fact that weve somehow become a middle of the road big east team. The conference is way down this year and we got blow by gtown lville cuse at the end Marquette and even seton hall and rutgers. Not beat but destroyed That's bad. That doesnt happen at uconn. For four out the last five seasons weve been a middle of the pack conference team. Clearly we are not some scrub program like some seem to think but there are some major headwinds facing our program.
 
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We did win. There is no disputing that. It's a fact and not a silver lining. However there is some validity to the posts about our disappointing seasons. We won last year and no one can take that away from us but that doesnt mask the fact that weve somehow become a middle of the road big east team. The conference is way down this year and we got blow by gtown lville cuse at the end Marquette and even seton hall and rutgers. Not beat but destroyed That's bad. That doesnt happen at uconn. For four out the last five seasons weve been a middle of the pack conference team. Clearly we are not some scrub program like some seem to think but there are some major headwinds facing our program.

Out of curiosity, whom do you think is disagreeing with the fact that this has been a disappointing season?
 
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This might be the most ridiculous statement ever posted on this site:

"As far as I'm concerned we should win a championship every year and anything less is a dissapointment".

Yes. this season has been a big disappointment, but there are about 300 programs who would gladly trade places and take the 2009 Final Four and 2011 Nationl Championship.
 
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This might be the most ridiculous statement ever posted on this site:

"As far as I'm concerned we should win a championship every year and anything less is a dissapointment".

Yes. this season has been a big disappointment, but there are about 300 programs who would gladly trade places and take the 2009 Final Four and 2011 Nationl Championship.

The quote defines what, on the football board, I've called the "chest thumper" mentality perfectly. Start by demanding unlikely and at times unachievable goals, and then blame everyone you can think of when they're not achieved.
 
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Out of curiosity, whom do you think is disagreeing with the fact that this has been a disappointing season?
Seasons. Plural. Everyone agrees this season has been awful. Some here dot seem to think we've been fairly down the last five or so season save one miraculous tournament run
 
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Out of curiosity, whom do you think is disagreeing with the fact that this has been a disappointing season?
By the way are you with me now on our lack of effort. I was yelling about it early in the season and you took offense and said I was an idiot basically. Well now would you agree that we have no heart or emotion out there?
 
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Seasons. Plural. Everyone agrees this season has been awful. Some here dot seem to think we've been fairly down the last five or so season save one miraculous tournament run

And a final four in 2009. Yeah, its just been horrible for the last 5 years.
 

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The reason we've "been down" the past couple of years is because in 2004 we won a National Title. That team lost some talent so 05 wasn't a great team. Then in 06 we had a ridiculously loaded team that made it to the Elite 8 and ran into a miracle story (would you say Kansas had a down year last year just because they ran into the miracle that was VCU?). That 06 team was so talented that they had like 74 players drafted in the NBA. Therefore, we had nothing but raw freshmen coming in so 07 was a horrible team. The 08 team began to show signs of coming together until AJ tore his ACL in the first round game. You could argue that if they had won that game, they would have won the next one because the matchup would have been favorable (they got beat by the 13 or 12 seed and the 4 or 5 seed lost to the other). So without that ACL tear we probably get a Sweet Sixteen apperance (and get pounded by UNC). Then we make a FF run. They we have a down year. Then we win a national title.

So to recap:
03-04: Title
04-05: Slight rebuilding year
05-06: E8
06-07: Big rebuilding year due to huge losses to the NBA
07-08: Probably a Sweet 16 if our PG didn't tear his ACL in the first round
08-09: FF
09-10: Down year due to Seniors not quite having it
10-11: Title

There aren't too many programs that wouldn't trade that time period with us. And before you say "But mets1090, the point of the thread is that recently we are sliding. You're just selectively choosing more data to support your side." I call shenanigans. There aren't too many programs that would trade their 05-06 to 10-11 time period with us. E8, FF, NC in 6 season. Are you kidding me?

Even the last 5 years. You have a recruiting class that wasn't ready to compete as Freshmen. Then they did ok as sophomores. Clearly left a lot to be desired but really got derailed by the injury to their PG. Then they came together as Juniors and went to a FF, and one could argue they had a shot at making the Championship if Dyson didn't get hurt (please don't ignore the rest of this post and make it all about Dyson). Then a down year followed by a Title.
 
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The 08 team began to show signs of coming together until AJ tore his ACL in the first round game. You could argue that if they had won that game, they would have won the next one because the matchup would have been favorable (they got beat by the 13 or 12 seed and the 4 or 5 seed lost to the other). So without that ACL tear we probably get a Sweet Sixteen apperance (and get pounded by UNC).
I agree with your post.

Quick quibble-we would have matched up with UCLA that year. UCLA made the final four, so they would have likely won. But still, JC knew Howland well...

But, that team did have Kevin Love on it.
 
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This might be the most ridiculous statement ever posted on this site:

"As far as I'm concerned we should win a championship every year and anything less is a dissapointment".

Yes. this season has been a big disappointment, but there are about 300 programs who would gladly trade places and take the 2009 Final Four and 2011 Nationl Championship.

Interpreted literally, that statement is absolutely ridiculous. But I think the sentiment behind it is one that elite programs express and take pride in: the idea that they expect to be in the championship conversation every year. And between the Ray Allen years and the Rudy Gay years, we were in the championship conversation 70% of the time. Lately, it's been closer to 30%.
 
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The Red Sox had a general manager and manager who won 2 world championships, the first in 86 years. They missed the playoffs the last 2 years. The manager was fired and the GM left before he was fired. They could have easily been kept around but even the Red Sox could read the writing on the wall. My point is that if you look only at last year without looking at the trend over the past 5-6 years as on the original post you would think all is fine. I would rather make sure we fix what is wrong than ride the program down into obscurity. Some will be satisfied sleeping in their 2011 championship T shirts but I am concerned about what I have seen the past 5-6 years.
 

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and if Jim Calhoun never came to Storrs, we would never have won anything ever

and then we'd still be playing 1AA football on campus

and if Geno didn't win all those championships, nobody would be following women's basketball

and if Wes Welker didn't drop the pass............................................

we won, we went to two final fours in 3 years, we're the best program in the country the last 13 years in terms of titles and elite eights and WINNING

can't spin that

Don't forget the "Tuck Rule" and eventually the Pats stealing their first Championship
 
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But seriously guys, what if we didn't win World War 2?
We were lucky in that war. The Germans were overrated and had an bad shooting war. If they shot like they normally do we would have lost. It was the most boring war ever. The US army cheated during the recruitment of their soldiers.
 
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By the way are you with me now on our lack of effort. I was yelling about it early in the season and you took offense and said I was an idiot basically. Well now would you agree that we have no heart or emotion out there?

In basketball and football, it is usually impossible to discern the difference between poor play and lack of effort. If, by effort, you mean physically exerting oneself to try to make plays. (Because if you mean by effort making the right play consistently, then we do have a lack of effort but you're defining effort by what I or you want them to do, as opposed to what they think is best, which strikes me as a poor use of the word). Same for "heart." If winning teams have heart and losing teams don't, then we don't have heart but if you mean by heart the players are trying to achieve what they think they are supposed to be achieving or each individual play, then I don't know whether this team does or doesn't.

I don't think the bulk of this team's problem is "effort" or "heart." I think the bulk of this team's problems are lack of confidence, lack of basketball IQ and lack of having any feel whatsoever for how the team as a whole is supposed to be playing, as opposed to individual roles.

That having been said, did the first half look like Marquette just wanted to win more than we did? Heck yes. But I still don't believe that is the primary reason for our underachievment.

And, without doing the research (so forgive me if I'm wrong), as I recall the discussion you were telling me individual players who had rings didn't have "heart" and weren't playing with "effort." And, given evidence to the contrary (i.e., the rights), I still believe that. I think the problem is still that these players don't function as a team. But that Roscoe or AO or Shabazz isn't consciously willing to sacrifice for the good of the team -- I have trouble accepting that because we wouldn't have won last year.
 

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In basketball and football, it is usually impossible to discern the difference between poor play and lack of effort. If, by effort, you mean physically exerting oneself to try to make plays. (Because if you mean by effort making the right play consistently, then we do have a lack of effort but you're defining effort by what I or you want them to do, as opposed to what they think is best, which strikes me as a poor use of the word). Same for "heart." If winning teams have heart and losing teams don't, then we don't have heart but if you mean by heart the players are trying to achieve what they think they are supposed to be achieving or each individual play, then I don't know whether this team does or doesn't.

I don't think the bulk of this team's problem is "effort" or "heart." I think the bulk of this team's problems are lack of confidence, lack of basketball IQ and lack of having any feel whatsoever for how the team as a whole is supposed to be playing, as opposed to individual roles.

That having been said, did the first half look like Marquette just wanted to win more than we did? Heck yes. But I still don't believe that is the primary reason for our underachievment.

And, without doing the research (so forgive me if I'm wrong), as I recall the discussion you were telling me individual players who had rings didn't have "heart" and weren't playing with "effort." And, given evidence to the contrary (i.e., the rights), I still believe that. I think the problem is still that these players don't function as a team. But that Roscoe or AO or Shabazz isn't consciously willing to sacrifice for the good of the team -- I have trouble accepting that because we wouldn't have won last year.

It could be interpreted that Marquette wanted to win more than we did, but to me it looked like they knew how to play together in order to win. They were focused, played aggressive defense, and did not seem to get rattled when the Huskies came back at them. They are a team with its top 2 players being seniors. They had a high level of composure and they kept with their stuff.

Our guys, on the other hand, often seem to lack focus and intensity on defense to start games and they seem to run good offense for the first 5 minutes (lately at least), then forget what they were doing that worked and slip back into not knowing what to do.
 
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So a 16-10 season is bad enough to change us from arguing that we are better than some of the bluebloods to saying the program is spiraling to its demise?
 
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In the past 8 seasons UConn has 2 National Championships, another Final 4 appearance, and an Elite 8. I'd say that stacks up favorably with any program in the country and far outweighs the disappointment of this year.

That said, I would have hope that this team would have gone 19-7 so far and would be firmly in the NCAA Tourney conversation.
 
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So a 16-10 season is bad enough to change us from arguing that we are better than some of the bluebloods to saying the program is spiraling to its demise?
I wanted to highlight this. If any other blueblood school had the down years we've had lately, their coach would be on the hot seat. Around here people still think JC should coach until he decides it's time, even though that leaves Blaney in charge at times. Every school has trouble transitioning when a HOF coach leaves. Kentucky had trouble after Pitino, UNC had trouble after Dean Smith and IU had trouble after Knight. Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach. We need a succession plan and we need it fast. Wait until this time next year when we're 10-17 because our best players go pro or transfer due to us being ineligible, Calhoun is on medical leave and Blaney is in charge again.
 

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I wanted to highlight this. If any other blueblood school had the down years we've had lately, their coach would be on the hot seat. Around here people still think JC should coach until he decides it's time, even though that leaves Blaney in charge at times. Every school has trouble transitioning when a HOF coach leaves. Kentucky had trouble after Pitino, UNC had trouble after Dean Smith and IU had trouble after Knight. Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach. We need a succession plan and we need it fast. Wait until this time next year when we're 10-17 because our best players go pro or transfer due to us being ineligible, Calhoun is on medical leave and Blaney is in charge again.
What did UNC do the season after their most recent NCAA title? I could be wrong but I believe they entered the NIT with a .500 record. It's a shame they fired Roy so soon after a national title. :rolleyes:
 
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Our problem is we have been wildly undercompetitive for four of the last six years, and that's with a HOF coach.

Can you be anymore hyberbolic? The 24-win 2008 team was "wildly undercompetitive"?

The fate of this year's team hasn't been written yet - it's more likely an NCAA tournament team than an NIT team, believe it or not, and you're already calling it "wildly undercompetitive" too?

And guess what? Other coaches would not be on the hot seat for having disappointing years if they go to Final Fours and win National Championships in the non-disappointing years.
 
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One of the main reasons I want this team to start winning--so that the really entitled and annoying posters, who think they're original but who are echoing the sentiments of idiots every time UConn has a down spell, go away.

Idiots were calling for JC to quit last year after they lost 7 of 11 to end the season. They did it the year before that, they did it 2006-07. Over and over again.

Inevitably they decide only to post after losses. Get über-defensive when people point that out (usually pointing out that they've been fans since the 1890s or so), and then invariably go away, because the team starts winning.

There are reasons to be annoyed. But these posters make a mockery of actually talking about the problems with their hyperbolic statements.
 
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If we make the NCAAs its a whole new season and hopefully the team will see it that way.

Making the NCAAs would make this a successful season as well.
 
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One of the main reasons I want this team to start winning--so that the really entitled and annoying posters, who think they're original but who are echoing the sentiments of idiots every time UConn has a down spell, go away.

Idiots were calling for JC to quit last year after they lost 7 of 11 to end the season. They did it the year before that, they did it 2006-07. Over and over again.

Inevitably they decide only to post after losses. Get über-defensive when people point that out (usually pointing out that they've been fans since the 1890s or so), and then invariably go away, because the team starts winning.

There are reasons to be annoyed. But these posters make a mockery of actually talking about the problems with their hyperbolic statements.

You right the season isnt over yet all we have to do is beat villanova, providence, and pitt, and if we cant beat syracuse get 1 win in big east tournament and we will be safely in the NCAA tournament. Its that easy on paper now lets see what will happen.
 
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The down seasons only enhance the good ones. Last season would not have been as enjoyable if we had won the two previous NC's. Winning the NIT was a big deal at the time. Now it would be a disapointment.
 
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