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This thread is probably the biggest mojo loss of the offseason.
 
scrappy2.0 said:
If you have a belief that

A Hamilton is a top 5 pick
B Purvis is a first round pick
C Amida is first round pick
D Jalen Adams is a future lottery pick
E Enosch is a future nBA player
F Shonn Miller is a future 2nd round nBA pick
Then we have a darn good team.
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I would set the line at 1.5 of those things being true. And if one of them is D it's not likely to be next year anyway, so it still doesn't really help your case.
 
scrappy2.0 said:
Weve had some really great teams--some of the teams that did not win championships had more talent man for man than some that did.

But this team next year might just be a freak team.

I think last years team was a good team that didnt play all the way to its potential for a variety of reasons. But I think ultimately the loss of Daniels in addition to the guys we lost was just to much changeover--especially from the offense.

I may be by myself--but I'm a huge believer in Brimah. It looked like he ran out of gas end of season--Ollie wasnt thrilled with him--but he's a guy who can dominate games on the defense by HIMSELF. We had that before with Okafor but I think Amida--now with the ability to put some muscle/power on and hone his game--may be a stronger rim protector than even Oak. Then we add in Miller at PF who was one of the best defenders in the nation at PF and you throw in the rather lengthy Hamilton who was an incredible re-bounder--and you have the making of an incredibly lengthy athletic frontline that will have much more balance than it had this year. Then our back ups 6-10 Nolan 6-11 Enosch 6-9 Facey--the team is just enormous upfront almost like Kentucky was in some respects this year. And guys like Facey Calhuon Nolan and Samuel are due for a level up in play. If we get Gibbs--look at our backcourt--we could start Gibbs and Purvis and rotate them with Adams and Samuel. A combination of athleticism experience 3 point shooting that I think Duke had this year. The n finish it off with a role player like Calhoun --I mean think about it!
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You're kidding around, right? You're UConn's version of Rutgersal.

Forget the Gibbs stuff. I think the team as currently constituted should be better than last year's team. At least that's my hope. But best team ever at UConn? Not even close.
 
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scrappy2.0 said:
Weve had some really great teams--some of the teams that did not win championships had more talent man for man than some that did.

But this team next year might just be a freak team.

I think last years team was a good team that didnt play all the way to its potential for a variety of reasons. But I think ultimately the loss of Daniels in addition to the guys we lost was just to much changeover--especially from the offense.

I may be by myself--but I'm a huge believer in Brimah. It looked like he ran out of gas end of season--Ollie wasnt thrilled with him--but he's a guy who can dominate games on the defense by HIMSELF. We had that before with Okafor but I think Amida--now with the ability to put some muscle/power on and hone his game--may be a stronger rim protector than even Oak. Then we add in Miller at PF who was one of the best defenders in the nation at PF and you throw in the rather lengthy Hamilton who was an incredible re-bounder--and you have the making of an incredibly lengthy athletic frontline that will have much more balance than it had this year. Then our back ups 6-10 Nolan 6-11 Enosch 6-9 Facey--the team is just enormous upfront almost like Kentucky was in some respects this year. And guys like Facey Calhuon Nolan and Samuel are due for a level up in play. If we get Gibbs--look at our backcourt--we could start Gibbs and Purvis and rotate them with Adams and Samuel. A combination of athleticism experience 3 point shooting that I think Duke had this year. The n finish it off with a role player like Calhoun --I mean think about it!
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Great out look. I really like your enthusiasm! But Adams is our future. Not Gibbs.
 
Husky25 said:
Who cares? Paper means nothing. A win on the first Monday in April is all that matters. The 2006 team could run circles around every UConn team except for 2004 and they have nothing to show for it. Kentucky's 2015 bench would start as a group for 99.5% of any other program in the country and in 5 years, no one will remember them either.
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1999 would beat 2006 nine times out of ten. Ricky on Marcus is pretty much ball game right there - and 2006 has nobody to defend KEA or Rip. Rudy would have a nice size advantage over Rip, but he didn't know how to use it. The big, big difference between the teams is that the 1999 team always get stops when they needed them - 2006 couldn't get them.

I also don't know who on 2006 has a chance of guarding Kemba or Ray. They couldn't guard Patrick Sparks.

The answer to the OP's question is of course no. The 1994 team had a one seed on its bench for example (Ray-Rudy-Kirk-Travis).
 
I'll have what he's having!

It's nice to see a lot of optimism for once, it gets tough to come on here at times.
 
This thread has some potential.

For the record the 3 best UConn teams for my money are (in no particular order): 1996, 2004, and 2006. Only one team won it all. The 99 championship team isn't that far behind IMO.

Even if we got Gibbs, which we won't, that team wouldn't crack the top 15 teams since 1990.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
This thread has some potential.

For the record the 3 best UConn teams for my money are (in no particular order): 1996, 2004, and 2006. Only one team won it all. The 99 championship team isn't that far behind IMO.

Even if we got Gibbs, which we won't, that team wouldn't crack the top 15 teams since 1990.
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If you are talking about teams on paper though definitely the 2012 team with Drummond, Lamb, SN, RB, AO, DD, NG and RS has to be one of the best talking about pure talent. Even Enosch was on that team as a third teamer. Of course they didn't totally click for chemistry reasons but that was a whole lot of talent on one team.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
This thread has some potential.

For the record the 3 best UConn teams for my money are (in no particular order): 1996, 2004, and 2006. Only one team won it all. The 99 championship team isn't that far behind IMO.

Even if we got Gibbs, which we won't, that team wouldn't crack the top 15 teams since 1990.
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Do you mean '95? Ollie, Sheffer, Ray, Donny, Travis, Rudy etc etc .......beat by UCLA in Elite 8. I think the 96 team was beaten by Miss St when Ricky got hurt vs Colgate a couple games prior. They were also good but 95 was tremendous - Toby Bailey made money off that game.
 
Gurleyman said:
1999 would beat 2006 nine times out of ten. Ricky on Marcus is pretty much ball game right there - and 2006 has nobody to defend KEA or Rip. Rudy would have a nice size advantage over Rip, but he didn't know how to use it. The big, big difference between the teams is that the 1999 team always get stops when they needed them - 2006 couldn't get them.

I also don't know who on 2006 has a chance of guarding Kemba or Ray. They couldn't guard Patrick Sparks.

The answer to the OP's question is of course no. The 1994 team had a one seed on its bench for example (Ray-Rudy-Kirk-Travis).
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I recall Williams being more of a facilitator than a scorer. I'd put Moore on Rashad Anderson and Williams was plenty quick enough to guard Khalid.

El-Amin would also have a hard time putting up that little floater in the lane as well with Boone and Armstrong both very capable of guarding the rim. The difference between the two teams, IMO, was in the post. The 2006 team was bigger and a bit more athletic, but a little too much finesse. The 1999 teams could bruise it up and still play Hamilton on the wing.
 
3rdbass said:
If you are talking about teams on paper though definitely the 2012 team with Drummond, Lamb, SN, RB, AO, DD, NG and RS has to be one of the best talking about pure talent. Even Enosch was on that team as a third teamer. Of course they didn't totally click for chemistry reasons but that was a whole lot of talent on one team.
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Think the problem with those guys is most ended up a heck of a lot better than they performed that year so not really.

Drummond was good for a frosh but not as much as an impact as he could have been
Lamb was good, solid and probably could have been better if the team found its way.
Bazz had a sophomoric slump shall I say. Needed to grow up, turned it over but grew from that year.
Boat was still maturing and had a ways to go but wasn't bad.
AO - well he was one of the problems no need to rant about anyone that goes backwards in performance.
DD - he wasn't DD yet and very inconsistent.
NG - see DD
RS - somehow got shoved into the chemistry issues although he wanted to play and play hard. Tough year for him.

All in all not a very good team, amazing they were able to squeeze into the tourney actually. But overall, we will always wonder how good they could have been if everyone was on the same page. As many have pointed out, also a bad year for JC but he was in for one with some of the personalities.
 
mauconnfan said:
Do you mean '95? Ollie, Sheffer, Ray, Donny, Travis, Rudy etc etc ..beat by UCLA in Elite 8. I think the 96 team was beaten by Miss St when Ricky got hurt vs Colgate a couple games prior. They were also good but 95 was tremendous - Toby Bailey made money off that game.
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No I think the 96 team was better with Sheffer and Allen a year older and wiser.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Think the problem with those guys is most ended up a heck of a lot better than they performed that year so not really.

Drummond was good for a frosh but not as much as an impact as he could have been
Lamb was good, solid and probably could have been better if the team found its way.
Bazz had a sophomoric slump shall I say. Needed to grow up, turned it over but grew from that year.
Boat was still maturing and had a ways to go but wasn't bad.
AO - well he was one of the problems no need to rant about anyone that goes backwards in performance.
DD - he wasn't DD yet and very inconsistent.
NG - see DD
RS - somehow got shoved into the chemistry issues although he wanted to play and play hard. Tough year for him.

All in all not a very good team, amazing they were able to squeeze into the tourney actually. But overall, we will always wonder how good they could have been if everyone was on the same page. As many have pointed out, also a bad year for JC but he was in for one with some of the personalities.
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Yes, I was just pointing out on paper that team definitely looked better than what we have coming in this year. The OP did say on paper the best team. I mean as far as pure talent you can't argue that team was loaded. So sad to not see them gel in JC's last year.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
No I think the 96 team was better with Sheffer and Allen a year older and wiser.
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I liked them and if Ricky didn't get hurt and Sheffer wasn't playing with a bad hammy they may have gone the distance. But the 95 team made teams play their way, ran people off the court. The Maryland, Cincy and UCLA games were a treat.
 
3rdbass said:
Yes, I was just pointing out on paper that team definitely looked better than what we have coming in this year. The OP did say on paper the best team.
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Fair enough then you are correct.
 
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scrappy2.0 said:
If you have a belief that

A Hamilton is a top 5 pick
Maybe if he stays 2 years, but definitely not after next season

B Purvis is a first round pick
With 2 more years...maybe

C Amida is first round pick
On potential but still really needs all 4 years

D Jalen Adams is a future lottery pick
Key word, future

E Enosch is a future nBA player
Enoch. And as of now he's basically facey 2.0 coming in until proven otherwise

F Shonn Miller is a future 2nd round nBA pick
more likely to go the way of Jeff adrien
Then we have a darn good team.
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Husky25 said:
I recall Williams being more of a facilitator than a scorer. I'd put Moore on Rashad Anderson and Williams was plenty quick enough to guard Khalid. El-Amin would also have a hard time putting up that little floater in the lane as well with Boone and Armstrong both very capable of guarding the rim. The difference between the two teams, IMO, was in the post. The 2006 team was bigger and a bit more athletic, but a little too much finesse. The 1999 teams could bruise it up and still play Hamilton on the wing.
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The offense ran entirely through MW, so Ricky would be used to "cut off the head of the dragon", which was his specialty. It wasn't necessarily to lock down the best scorer, it was to stop the other team from running it's offense through the channels it wanted to go. Putting him on Rashad, who never had the ball in his hands other than to catch and shoot, would be a waste.

Trying to get a bucket on the 1999 team in crunch time was like trying to get through a pack of lions to a wildebeest carcass. By contrast, the 2006 team let Gerry McNamara simply step into a clean look at a tying three and couldn't stop George Mason once. To get a little sidetracked, I've noticed a trend here on the yard where 1999 is getting less and less respect over time in threads like this. This isn't addressed to anyone in particular, but maybe we have too many yarders now too young to remember watching them, who are only looking at NBA success beyond to gauge how talented they were. The 1999 team lost only one game when it had at least four starters. They beat a pair of two seeds on the road (SJU, Stanford) in back to back weekends, the second time without Rip. They won both the BET and the NCAA with signature performances - "they pimped us, yo" and "we shocked the world". The 2006 team was just 3-2 in the postseason and struggled for the 3 wins they did get. The signature win of 2006 was either getting the split with Nova at home (1999 also beat a 1 seed at home thoroughly when Michigan State visited) or Gonzaga at a neutral site. There's absolutely nothing that 2006 has over 1999, other than an edge on players who had cups of coffee in the NBA (4 to 2). Even there, Rip had a better NBA career than Rudy, Voskuhl lasted longer than Boone or Hilton, and KEA and MW are pretty much a wash, although MW's wash lasted slightly longer.

I think the 1999 v 2004 debate is an excellent one. The 2004 team was a two seed, but injury issues contributed to that, and they reached a wrecking ball level in the tourney that none of our other teams have. I still have a hard time betting against 1999 though. That team just was so cohesive and it simply won games.
 
I don't think Im way off in anyway--I think next year is a validation year and we are going to be great. Last years team was hurt with inconsistency because we had a lack of scoring from the 4 position. It just put too much pressure up and down the line up--you put Daniels on that team and we wouldve been a contender with his 17-9-2.--everyone wouldve had more spacing and we wouldve scored 10 more points game with a better brand of defense.

Now we HAVE a Daniels type back and while he may not be as pure and consistent 3 point shooter as Daniels--he's everything else and more with all the rest of the mobile 4 skills. We lose Boatright and thats big loss BUT we bring in a bigger just as athletic PG who seems like he is a big winner--brings a winning mentality and I think will have similar characteristics of what Jones had for Duke. If you look at the entire 2015 NBA draft--is there 1 PG who plays like Adams? I mean an above the rim triple threat PG? Did anyone watch Purvis curve towards the end of the season--his play looks like it can be incredible--we have seen the Ferrari and Hamilton is also a budding superstar--a guy who at 6-8 has PG skills and can get his own shot at will---but still is a team player and ball mover. We have size all over our frontcourt--we must have a top 5 rim protector--maybe top 3 or even 1?? Maybe Lee from Kentucky and that 7-5 kid from UCD? but Amida is right there. IF we get Gibbs--then were on a different plateau--he would be the difference between a team that has top 10 potential to top 3. Forget hype--this is going to be a great team and we have some rel talent on it. Big athletic and skilled all over.
 
Husky25 said:
I recall Williams being more of a facilitator than a scorer. I'd put Moore on Rashad Anderson and Williams was plenty quick enough to guard Khalid.

El-Amin would also have a hard time putting up that little floater in the lane as well with Boone and Armstrong both very capable of guarding the rim. The difference between the two teams, IMO, was in the post. The 2006 team was bigger and a bit more athletic, but a little too much finesse. The 1999 teams could bruise it up and still play Hamilton on the wing.
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If you put Moore on Williams, it compromises the entire offense. That's why Moore so often covered the other team's point guard that year. I remember him manhandling Vonteego Cummings and Mateen Cleaves within a few weeks of each other, and both teams saw their offense really struggle. Rashad Anderson isn't getting those open looks if Williams is struggling to get past Moore.
 
scrappy2.0 said:
I don't think Im way off in anyway--I think next year is a validation year and we are going to be great. Last years team was hurt with inconsistency because we had a lack of scoring from the 4 position. It just put too much pressure up and down the line up--you put Daniels on that team and we wouldve been a contender with his 17-9-2.--everyone wouldve had more spacing and we wouldve scored 10 more points game with a better brand of defense.

Now we HAVE a Daniels type back and while he may not be as pure and consistent 3 point shooter as Daniels--he's everything else and more with all the rest of the mobile 4 skills. We lose Boatright and thats big loss BUT we bring in a bigger just as athletic PG who seems like he is a big winner--brings a winning mentality and I think will have similar characteristics of what Jones had for Duke. If you look at the entire 2015 NBA draft--is there 1 PG who plays like Adams? I mean an above the rim triple threat PG? Did anyone watch Purvis curve towards the end of the season--his play looks like it can be incredible--we have seen the Ferrari and Hamilton is also a budding superstar--a guy who at 6-8 has PG skills and can get his own shot at will---but still is a team player and ball mover. We have size all over our frontcourt--we must have a top 5 rim protector--maybe top 3 or even 1?? Maybe Lee from Kentucky and that 7-5 kid from UCD? but Amida is right there. IF we get Gibbs--then were on a different plateau--he would be the difference between a team that has top 10 potential to top 3. Forget hype--this is going to be a great team and we have some rel talent on it. Big athletic and skilled all over.
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Nobody is saying we won't have talent and can be considered a pretty good team going into next year. Though there are too many variables as we are going to still need to have guys develop to reach their potential(AB, RP and DHAM). Definitely posters aren't getting carried away saying this is the most talented team we have ever had at UCONN on paper like you. It is nice to be optimistic but can you at least make a reasonable post and not one just to get hits.

Remember we just missed the tourney and we lost the heart and soul of the team. We really don't know what kind of team we will have as far as chemistry next year. Definitely on paper even with Gibbs they probably aren't even in the top 5 greatest UCONN all time teams as far as pure talent. We have had some great teams at UCONN as far as talent under JC.
 
3rdbass said:
Nobody is saying we won't have talent and can be considered a pretty good team going into next year. Though there are too many variables as we are going to still need to have guys develop to reach their potential(AB, RP and DHAM). Definitely posters aren't getting carried away saying this is the most talented team we have ever had at UCONN on paper like you. It is nice to be optimistic but can you at least make a reasonable post and not one just to get hits.

Remember we just missed the tourney and we lost the hear and soul of the team. We really don't know what kind of team we will have as far as chemistry next year. Definitely on paper even with Gibbs they probably aren't even in the top 5.
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You dont know that-- just by itself the Adams Purvis combination will be the most athletic tandem and if we consider Hamilton a 3rd guard--it might be the best backcourt we have ever had talent wise.(Gibbs locks it as the best)
 
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