IF there is Big 12 Expansion

[UConn990411]

Why does Memphis continue coming up in these threads? They're not getting a P5 invite.

 

[CL82]

I suspect the reality is not a simple as that. B12 presidents may want a presence in Houston simply for alumni relations and recruiting (athletes and non-athletes). And we know UT and OU are clashing as far as their vision for the conference down the road.

Recall - we/the media thought UConn in the ACC was almost a done deal because the Tobacco Road contingent thought they had the votes. Then the politics happened and the FSU/Clemson/Miami contingent won out over Tobacco Road. I suspect that OU and maybe Kansas would be supportive of UConn, but beyond that I have no idea. A lot hinges on UT. And I hope the rumors from the last couple weeks are accurate about Directional Florida being on the B-list, we don't want them being a dark horse.

To recap: If we aren't talked about as an expansion candidate, we're doomed, but if we are talked about as an expansion candidate, we're doomed.

I'm cool with that because we've won 4 men's basketball natties, while we were doomed.

To sum up: We're doomed.

 

[kingdobbs]

In my opinion, the best case scenario is that strong talk of UConn going to the XII spurs the B1G (option 1, especially as the ACC may not survive over the long term) or the ACC (option 2) to grab UConn now.

But, if UConn does join the XII, where do UConn's Olympic sports go? The non-revenue sports, such as baseball, softball, track, women's soccer, etc. would have a devil of a travel schedule. Field Hockey I assume can stay in the Big E and ditto for both hockey teams in Hockey East. The XII does not sponsor men's soccer (West Virginia is the only XII to play soccer and they play in the MAC), so that team would have to find a new home - MAC, stay in the America, Big East?

Many sports would not find trouble at all.

UConn sponsors the following sports that the Big XII does not: men's and women's ice hockey (who would stay in Hockey East), women's field hockey and women's lacrosse (who would stay in the Big East), men's soccer (who would presumably join the Big East). The Big XII sponsors three sports that UConn does not at a varsity level: equestrian, women's gymnastics, and men's wrestling (UConn could be easily convinced to, if not elevate its equestrian program to varsity due to its status as a women's emerging sport and UConn's general goodness at it at a club level, compete against their potential Big XII opponents in the sport: Baylor, K-State, Okie State and TCU).

Football, men's basketball, and women's basketball are also equally irrelevant, as they already would have revenue offsets for the travel due to those sports granting ticket and television revenue.

The remaining sports that both UConn and the Big XII both sponsor:
1) Cross country, women's crew/rowing, swimming and diving, and track and field: the team would compete in the Big XII championships for these sports, but would compete regionally for all of its regularly scheduled competition. Travel impact for these sports: minimal to irrelevant.
2) Golf: the team would compete in the Big XII championships for the sport, and would (because of UConn's home climate) play a predominantly Southern US-based schedule (against a mix of Big XII and non-conference opponents) to begin the season, which is something the golf team already does anyway.
3) Baseball and softball: the teams would compete in a Big XII round-robin or round-robin-alike competition, requiring regular travel to the Southwest and Midwest (and West Virginia); however, because of UConn's home climate, the teams ALREADY play a large portion of its schedule in the South, Southwest and West during February and early March (and a good portion of that is against OTHER Northern colleges who are also playing in Florida or Texas during that portion of the season). No noticeable change to the travel impact.
4) Men's and women's tennis: would play a predominantly regional schedule, and would compete irregularly against Big XII competition. Impact would increase, because UConn would be trading away conference competition against Temple and the "south Atlantic" AAC schools for competition against predominantly schools from Oklahoma and Texas.
5) Women's soccer, and women's volleyball: Impact would increase in a significant but not dramatic fashion (because AAC round-robin competition already sends them to Texas and Oklahoma, as well as Florida and Louisiana).

So between those eleven sports: seven would see no impact, and four would see some.

In other words, the pain UConn would feel is ultimately not a whole lot.

 

[upstater]

I didn't know this stat but, a recent UConn women's bball game did a 6.7 rating in Los Angeles. That is a huge amount of people.

 

[NYUConn]

I didn't know this stat but, a recent UConn women's bball game did a 6.7 rating in Los Angeles. That is a huge amount of people.

That was the UConn-ND women's game I believe, right? I think it preceded the Pac 12 Championship USC-Stanford football game, so that was part of it.

Still impressive, people didn't have to watch, but there's some context for you.

 

[upstater]

That was the UConn-ND women's game I believe, right? I think it preceded the Pac 12 Championship USC-Stanford football game, so that was part of it.

Still impressive, people didn't have to watch, but there's some context for you.

Aha, didn't realize that.

 

[Waquoit]

That was the UConn-ND women's game I believe, right? I think it preceded the Pac 12 Championship USC-Stanford football game, so that was part of it.

Still impressive, people didn't have to watch, but there's some context for you.

I don't think there was that much of a spillover effect. If our game came after, I would say yes.

 

[NYUConn]

I don't think there was that much of a spillover effect. If our game came after, I would say yes.

You've never tuned into ESPN to watch a game 20-30 minutes early and left the previous contest on?

 

[upstater]

You've never tuned into ESPN to watch a game 20-30 minutes early and left the previous contest on?

That's not how ratings work.

Ratings require the user to log what they are watching.

There is no device thingamajigee that tracks your TV usage. When Nielsen requests you to track for them, they send you a $5 bill in the mail and ask that you sign on and keep a log. So you enter what you watch.

 

[NYUConn]

That's not how ratings work.

Ratings require the user to log what they are watching.

There is no device thingamajigee that tracks your TV usage. When Nielsen requests you to track for them, they send you a $5 bill in the mail and ask that you sign on and keep a log. So you enter what you watch.

Right, my understanding was the logs went by hour. So for instance if I want to watch the Pac 12 Title game at 8 p.m. and I flip over to ESPN at 7 p.m. and catch the end of the UConn-ND game, I have to log that. That one hour then is incorporated into the larger broadcast number.

 

[Waquoit]

You've never tuned into ESPN to watch a game 20-30 minutes early and left the previous contest on?

Honestly, no.

 

[upstater]

Right, my understanding was the logs went by hour. So for instance if I want to watch the Pac 12 Title game at 8 p.m. and I flip over to ESPN at 7 p.m. and catch the end of the UConn-ND game, I have to log that. That one hour then is incorporated into the larger broadcast number.

Yes, if you're being that fussy about it. Since it's on the honesty system, maybe people are. I thought I was being honest too when I logged ONLY what I was watching, NOT what the TV is on. After all, it defeats the purpose of logging it if you're not watching it. What the TV is turned to should be irrelevant. The key question is, what are you watching?

 

[NYUConn]

Yes, if you're being that fussy about it. Since it's on the honesty system, maybe people are. I thought I was being honest too when I logged ONLY what I was watching, NOT what the TV is on. After all, it defeats the purpose of logging it if you're not watching it. What the TV is turned to should be irrelevant. The key question is, what are you watching?

Sorry, wasn't implying that they TV was just on in the background. Just that they turned it on because they knew the game was coming up and that they got hooked on Women's game.

 

[noeynox]

Honestly, no.

Maybe when I was younger, and could devote whole blocks of a day to sports. I can't even watch every Pats game on Sundays. Sports once you have kids become appointment TV.

 

[pepband99]

6 months later, here we are. Go time.

The Big 12 wants to expand, and there is some major muscle in the conference behind expansion. The desire for a Big 12 Network is a major driver for expansion, and the last obstacle is Texas' desire to wait for the outcome of the 10 Team Amendment. The Big 12's amendment appears dead on arrival unless Delaney is appeased somehow, which he won't be. There is no way the vote goes against Delaney. He wouldn't have said anything unless he knew he had already blocked it. We don't know if Texas will continue to block expansion regardless of the outcome of the vote.

I agree with others that BYU appears to be out of the picture based on Mendenhall taking a dead-end Virginia job. If he thought there was any realistic chance of BYU getting into a major conference, he would have waited a year. Virginia is where coaches go to finish their careers early.

That leaves us in a face-off with Cincinnati and Houston. Cincinnati seems like a lock, which means Houston vs. UConn, mano y mano. We are not a lock by any means, but I like our odds. It is up to Herbst and Manuel to close the deal.

It also appears that Herbst may be getting a helping hand from the media. There are major sports reporters running with this story, not just basement dwelling, twitter freaks from Appalachia and the northern prairie. Raising UConn's profile with the media helps us out with the Big 12 Presidents, who will feel at least a little pressure to take the best academic school of the options.

More importantly, the open discussion of UConn to the Big 12 must be causing some phones to ring around Tobacco Road. Any hope of an ACC network requires a major NYC presence, and if the Big 12 adds UConn, NYC becomes a 3 conference town. The ACC has a spot for us and we know there is support among many in the league, with our biggest opponents at BCU having retired. The ACC knows it has to add us before the Big 12 does, because the Big 12 offer will most likely be exploding. We will find out real soon if A) there is any real meat behind these rumors and B) whether UConn has enough support in the ACC for an invitation. If either A or B are true, failure is not an option.

The original premise of this thread is still stupid, despite this update.

What it really should read:
A) IF the B12 expands, and if Herbst, WM, or anyone else manages to overcome the massive headwinds (mostly geographical) and get an invite, they should have a statue of them placed next to the Storrs brothers.
B) IF not, we're screwed, but it's not necessarily a dereliction of duty.

 

[whaler11]

That's not how ratings work.

Ratings require the user to log what they are watching.

There is no device thingamajigee that tracks your TV usage. When Nielsen requests you to track for them, they send you a $5 bill in the mail and ask that you sign on and keep a log. So you enter what you watch.

Those days are long over.

It's automated now.

How do you think they get overnights? People fax in their logs?

 

[Kolumbo]

Maybe when I was younger, and could devote whole blocks of a day to sports. I can't even watch every Pats game on Sundays. Sports once you have kids become appointment TV.

I watch everything on DVR, and yes, sometimes sports too by watching the recording 30 minutes after the game starts. I don't have time to waste watching commercials, which often makes me wonder how effective tv advertising is anymore.

 

[upstater]

Those days are long over.

It's automated now.

How do you think they get overnights? People fax in their logs?

This was 2 years ago.

The log I entered stuff into was digital, online.

EDIT: I looked up Nielsen and they now appear to have new metering tech that they didn't have when I did it.

 

[History Geek]

Those days are long over.

It's automated now.

How do you think they get overnights? People fax in their logs?

We were a Nielsen family a few years ago. It definitely is totally automated now. I would also venture to surmise that with digital boxes, the cable/satellite providers have data on what all subscribers are tuned to at all times. If so, they may keep that data internal, or sell it for someone else to aggregate.

 

[NYUConn]

The original premise of this thread is still stupid, despite this update.

What it really should read:
A) IF the B12 expands, and if Herbst, WM, or anyone else manages to overcome the massive headwinds (mostly geographical) and get an invite, they should have a statue of them placed next to the Storrs brothers.
B) IF not, we're screwed, but it's not necessarily a dereliction of duty.

I think it's also important to keep in mind that aside from the school confirming that Herbst and the K-State Prez did meet in November per his Tweets, the school is saying absolutely nothing right now. (Also even Jacobs said that the school said CR was not discussed.)

Journalists, bloggers, fans and "insiders" are talking loudly about us being a possibility, but the school isn't promising anything right now.

So, if this whole thing doesn't shake out in our favor, let's not pretend that the school was out there leading the charge and place the failure directly on them. They are doing their job in what would appear to be a methodical and behind the scenes way, but unlike in past CR failures, they aren't out there talking about this possibility.

 

[whaler11]

We were a Nielsen family a few years ago. It definitely is totally automated now. I would also venture to surmise that with digital boxes, the cable/satellite providers have data on what all subscribers are tuned to at all times. If so, they may keep that data internal, or sell it for someone else to aggregate.

I imagine they hold onto that data like grim death.

 

[junglehusky]

I think it's also important to keep in mind that aside from the school confirming that Herbst and the K-State Prez did meet in November per his Tweets, the school is saying absolutely nothing right now. (Also even Jacobs said that the school said CR was not discussed.)

Journalists, bloggers, fans and "insiders" are talking loudly about us being a possibility, but the school isn't promising anything right now.

So, if this whole thing doesn't shake out in our favor, let's not pretend that the school was out there leading the charge and place the failure directly on them. They are doing their job in what would appear to be a methodical and behind the scenes way, but unlike in past CR failures, they aren't out there talking about this possibility.

argle bargle donuts

 

[uconnphil2016]

I spoke with a friend of mine who is an associate AD at a D1 school, and he said to 'mark his words' that it would be Cincy and BYU

 

[CL82]

I spoke with a friend of mine who is an associate AD at a D1 school, and he said to 'mark his words' that it would be Cincy and BYU

As long as your friend isn't a Manuel or a Big 12 AD, I'm not particularly concerned by his opinion.

 

[uconnphil2016]

As long as your friend isn't a Manuel or a Big 12 AD, I'm not particularly concerned by his opinion.

Not saying that it's definitive proof of anything happening/not happening, but it's a source that probably hears more than the random twitter 'insiders' do considering he's actually in an AD

 

[Jarhead_1775]

Yeah, but then we went and beat them.

That pretty much was their biggest fear. UConn is basically the sleeping giant that the US was in ww2. They know if we are awoken, we will slaughter BC in short order. Instead of taking a few years to become competitive with BCU, we went ahead and beat them the first time out in hockey. That was an amazing night btw.

 

[NYUConn]

That pretty much was their biggest fear. UConn is basically the sleeping giant that the US was in ww2. They know if we are awoken, we will slaughter BC in short order. Instead of taking a few years to become competitive with BCU, we went ahead and beat them the first time out in hockey. That was an amazing night btw.

WOW. Can we pin this post somewhere? This may be the greatest in CR history.

UConn = Pre World War II USA.

 

[Ldandy]

That's not how ratings work.

Ratings require the user to log what they are watching.

There is no device thingamajigee that tracks your TV usage. When Nielsen requests you to track for them, they send you a $5 bill in the mail and ask that you sign on and keep a log. So you enter what you watch.

What you are describing is keeping a "Nielsen Diary." These booklets are/were mass produced and distributed in select markets for use as an additional data point for local affiliates to set ad rates during sweeps periods.

There are however device thingamajigges that are attached to TV's to meter usage. These "people meters", as they're called, are responsible for generating The Nielsen Ratings that everyone likes to reference. One single home's viewership will be considered representative of tens of thousands of homes featuring the same demographics within that area. If anybody here has these devices installed in their home, I suggest watching LOTS of UConn Programming.

Things may have changed a bit technology wise over the last few years, but this is how it was done when I worked for NMR in Eastern PA, Southern NJ, and Upstate NY for many years in the 2000's.

 

[Waquoit]

That pretty much was their biggest fear. UConn is basically the sleeping giant that the US was in ww2.

Bob Ryan has said as much several times. And he's a BCU grad.

 

[Clockshop]

Interesting article here:

Each FBS conference designates a representative to the NCAA council that votes on legislation. They are:

• Mitch Barnhart, AD, Kentucky, SEC
• Tim Day, FAR, Iowa State, Big 12
• Dan Guerrero, AD, UCLA, Pac-12
• John Hartwell, AD, Troy, Sun Belt
• Blake James, AD, Miami, ACC
• Paul Krebs, AD, New Mexico, MWC
• Warde Manuel, AD, UConn, American Athletic Conference
• Jim Phillips, AD, Northwestern, Big Ten
• Judy Rose, AD, Charlotte, Conference USA
• Tom Wistrcill, AD, Akron, MAC

Each FBS conference has one vote, but the votes from the Power 5 conferences (Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12) count double, meaning there are 15 votes total.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...-conference-title-game-byu-houston-cincinnati