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UConn990411 said:
Notre Dame would have zero say in who else the ACC chooses.
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That I disagree with. We know that ND is negotiating "terms" with the ACC, Big Ten and Big XII, and will then make a decision. If ND wants the terms to the ACC to include who comes in with it and what the northern division looks like, that will be bargained for along with everything else ND wants.

Not saying ND will make the choice, but surely they will express their desires and the leagues will consider them since they are in effect bidding on the Irish.
 
I'm afraid if ND goes to ACC all sports, ACC will select Rutgers based on FB potential as far as fan base and recruit market.

Ct is not much of a base for FB recruits compared to NJ, and I don't think we'll see a waiting list for season tickets or stadium expansion anytime soon.

ACC does not need UConn for basketball......they are doing fine right now.
 
businesslawyer said:
That I disagree with. We know that ND is negotiating "terms" with the ACC, Big Ten and Big XII, and will then make a decision. If ND wants the terms to the ACC to include who comes in with it and what the northern division looks like, that will be bargained for along with everything else ND wants.

Not saying ND will make the choice, but surely they will express their desires and the leagues will consider them since they are in effect bidding on the Irish.
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Agreed. If ND said to ACC, we will come but we want Uconn (or Rutgers or some school that is reasonable as a member), I can't imagine the ACC would not take that into account and pass on ND over the issue.
 
tduconn said:
I'm afraid if ND goes to ACC all sports, ACC will select Rutgers based on FB potential as far as fan base and recruit market.

Ct is not much of a base for FB recruits compared to NJ, and I don't think we'll see a waiting list for season tickets or stadium expansion anytime soon.

ACC does not need UConn for basketball......they are doing fine right now.
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All possible, but:

1. I don't know that there is a material difference between RU's fanbase and ours. What is their average attendance -- 5k more than us? With them having just finished stadium expansion and us having plans to expand? I can't see that small a difference being meaningful.

2. All the ACC schools from North Carolina up already recruit Jersey. Making RU their partner is increasing Rutger's prestige, and making them more of a force in NJ recruiting. I don't think recruiting will drive the decision, but if I'm Maryland or Syracuse I'd much rather have UConn in the league than Rutgers precisely because I think it will help me pull recruits out of NJ.
 
My magic 8 ball says if ND goes to the ACC, it's UConn "Outlook good". If ND goes to the Big 10, Rutgers "You may rely on it".

The magic 8 ball is never wrong.
 
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Druken Friar said:
My magic 8 ball says if ND goes to the ACC, it's UConn "Outlook good". If ND goes to the Big 10, Rutgers "You may rely on it".

The magic 8 ball is never wrong.
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The magic 8 ball is likely correct. Unless of course, the B1G pulls the rabbit out of its hat and sweeps in ND, RU, UConn and Missouri.
 
RS9999X said:
Moving product is what it's all about.
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Nope. Ever see how royalties impact the bottom line compared to TV $$$. There's a 10 to 1 difference. If you have a good product, and you advertise well, you should be able to sell more with more eyeballs. And that's what TV $$$ are all about.

That's why Silver's exercise is odd. We already know the Nielsen ratings.
 
if BCU adds no value to the ACC, couldnt they just pull the same thing that the big east did to temple, and just show them the exit?

the ACC would then be able to add UConn, Rutgers, and Notre Dame and they would win on all levels

1. secure the notre dame football brand
2. bring in UConn basketball, lock up the "top" college basketball conference
3. secure the New York/New England market with the addition of all three schools (ND has a huge following in the area, Connecticut obviously locks up CT, and Rutgers delivers NJ and part of NYC)
4. Locks up the East Coast from CT all the way down to Florida...creates continuity and stability for the conference
5. Everybody happy
 
1999.2004.2011 said:
if BCU adds no value to the ACC, couldnt they just pull the same thing that the big east did to temple, and just show them the exit?

the ACC would then be able to add UConn, Rutgers, and Notre Dame and they would win on all levels

1. secure the notre dame football brand
2. bring in UConn basketball, lock up the "top" college basketball conference
3. secure the New York/New England market with the addition of all three schools (ND has a huge following in the area, Connecticut obviously locks up CT, and Rutgers delivers NJ and part of NYC)
4. Locks up the East Coast from CT all the way down to Florida...creates continuity and stability for the conference
5. Everybody happy
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I would literally jump up and do a happy dance if this ever came to fruition.
 
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Temple was never a "member" of the Big East. They were an associate member that only participated in football decisions. It is not the same thing and, as funny as it would be, it's not going to happen.
 
tduconn said:
I'm afraid if ND goes to ACC all sports, ACC will select Rutgers based on FB potential as far as fan base and recruit market.

Ct is not much of a base for FB recruits compared to NJ, and I don't think we'll see a waiting list for season tickets or stadium expansion anytime soon.

ACC does not need UConn for basketball......they are doing fine right now.
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ND, and any other national program, does not need to have a conference partner in NJ in order to recruit NJ.

Penn State, ND, and many other schools have been taking the best kids out of NJ for decades. In fact, Rutgers NOT playing BCS football will guarantee that continues indefinitely.

FB potential, fanbase size, and who is more popular in NYC is all debatable. Recruiting, however, will have no impact on the decision.
 
Vuce said:
Football is equal. We are light years ahead of Rutgers and right there with Dook and UNC in hoops. Tops in women's hoops. We also bring top notch men's and women's soccer which ND and the ACC care about to a degree. I think ND will push for UConn with them. I also think that the Flipper hurt BCU in that other AD's/Presidents were puzzled by his vitriol after all these years. In short, ND will be Uconn's ally if it comes to the ACC.

The ACC football schools will be happy with ND. The hoops schools will be satisfied with Uconn. It is a nice balance for each side. Rutgers nrings very little to either side. They are a filler.
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Our baseball and Track teams aren't too shabby either. It's just a good academic and athletic fit, and the geography ain't bad either. But if they don't want us, or choose to listen to the Chestnut Hill gang then we move on.
 
with regards to academics, UCONN has been on the rise big time the past 5 years. we are up to 58 in US News rankings, and RU is down to 68. not a huge deal maybe, but add in the $450 million health center partnership at the UCONN Medical Center in Farmington and the other investment projects on campus UCONN is involved with and i have to imagine our rankings will continue to slowly rise.

not saying that would be a deciding factor, but when you compare everything about the 2 schools currently, then look at the future potential, and i think UCONN is a much better choice.
 
Calhoun is Irish. ND will want UConn to join them in the ACC. See how simple that was?
 
Hoophound said:
I worry that Rutgers could be the choice but, I think my fears are unfounded. UConn is a marquee name in both men's and women's basketball. If you leave UConn out, you miss the opportunity to completely and indisputably wrap up the "best basketball conference" title. If ND goes somewhere other than the ACC, the ACC should take UConn and seriously consider Louisville as well. Rutgers just doesn't have any cache. UConn will own more NYC market share as the football program evolves. UConn will win in football. Winning is a choice. You make the investment and commitment to it and Herbst is clearly ready to do that.
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"UConn will win in football"
Hope you are right about that but if they are going to win recruiting better pick up.
 
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BC: (To ND) "Yo, we are all for Jesus right? Listen, the Jesuits would really like to add RU because we really want to own all of New England for...well...Jesus. You like right?"
ND: "I do like Jesus and I know you would do the same for us if OSU or Mich was on the table. No, we're cool RU, no problem. I'll just tell them we will join if we go in with RU".
 
Huskymaniac said:
Is there a more anti-Christ state than NJ? Well, maybe MA.........
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The bluest state in the nation (CT) is also the 3rd most Catholic state in the Nation.

RI, MA, CT, NI, NY in that order.

Bluest states by Presidential elections
Bluest states by Congressonal Delegation
1) Connecticut

Catholics are green. The SEC and ND don't have much in common. Either does the B12 if you take away the border immigrant Catholics

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My feeling is that Notre Dame has made a huge miscalculation. Notre Dame is who they are because of independence. If they join a conference like the Big 10 and expect to keep any of their big OOC games they are borderline bowl eligable every year. They are just not that good. Their best shot was joining the Big East where they would compete for BCS bids every year. No matter what league they end up in now they are the 4th or 5th best team at best and would have to schedule easy wins for the OOC. For Notre Dame they need to be Independant but they are going to be forced into a conference and they will cease to be relevent. ACC is their next best shot at having any chance to remain relevent. They will only survive on reputation for so long in a conference where they are just another team. Thats why them joing the ACC in a North Division is UConns best hope. Thats the Only way ND remains with any kind of football strength, by allowing them to at a minimum compete for a shot at the ACC title every year. I understand the Fit of the Big 10 for them but it would leave them as an also ran for years to come.
 
businesslawyer said:
All possible, but:

1. I don't know that there is a material difference between RU's fanbase and ours. What is their average attendance -- 5k more than us? With them having just finished stadium expansion and us having plans to expand? I can't see that small a difference being meaningful.

2. All the ACC schools from North Carolina up already recruit Jersey. Making RU their partner is increasing Rutger's prestige, and making them more of a force in NJ recruiting. I don't think recruiting will drive the decision, but if I'm Maryland or Syracuse I'd much rather have UConn in the league than Rutgers precisely because I think it will help me pull recruits out of NJ.
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Something that plays against Rutgers is that their university is in an uproar over the impact of sports on their academic budget. There is a strong anti-football sentiment on campus right now. That could make them less appealable (if that's possible ...) to any conference.
 
ericsandiego said:
with regards to academics, UCONN has been on the rise big time the past 5 years. we are up to 58 in US News rankings, and RU is down to 68. not a huge deal maybe, but add in the $450 million health center partnership at the UCONN Medical Center in Farmington and the other investment projects on campus UCONN is involved with and i have to imagine our rankings will continue to slowly rise.

not saying that would be a deciding factor, but when you compare everything about the 2 schools currently, then look at the future potential, and i think UCONN is a much better choice.
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Unfortunately, this won't mean anything for about 10-20 years, when those bright young students are in hiring positions at major corporations. It takes time to improve an academic reputation, which is based in large part on the people working in positions of power in various industries.
 
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IthacaMatt said:
Something that plays against Rutgers is that their university is in an uproar over the impact of sports on their academic budget. There is a strong anti-football sentiment on campus right now. That could make them less appealable (if that's possible ...) to any conference.
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Good point. Here's a USA Today article on the subject with a nifty link to an interactive chart a quarter of the way down.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-28-rutgers-athletic-department-subsidies_n.htm
 
It is one thing to call yourself a Catholic or a Christian and another thing to actually live your life as a Catholic or Christian. I don't see a lot of people in NJ, CT or MA "doing what Jesus would do" (just drive on the highways or get in line at the grocery store on a weekend) or voting in accordance with the catechism set forth by the pope. I have an aunt who is a preachy "look at me" Catholic but when asked how she can vote for a pro-abortion democrat when the pope says that life is the #1 issue upon which Catholics should base their votes, she immediately goes into the "a woman should be allowed to do what she wants with her body" liberal talking points. What really matters to her are the entitlement programs that she will get from the government. So while NJ, CT and MA may be the greenest states, they are also loaded with the highest percentage of hypocrites. If you want to be a pro-abortion liberal, fine. Just don't claim to be a devout Catholic too because that just isn't possible.

RS9999X said:
The bluest state in the nation (CT) is also the 3rd most Catholic state in the Nation.

RI, MA, CT, NI, NY in that order.

Bluest states by Presidential elections
Bluest states by Congressonal Delegation

1) Connecticut

Catholics are green. The SEC and ND don't have much in common. Either does the B12 if you take away the border immigrant Catholics

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Huskymaniac said:
It is one thing to call yourself a Catholic or a Christian and another thing to actually live your life as a Catholic or Christian. I don't see a lot of people in NJ, CT or MA "doing what Jesus would do" (just drive on the highways or get in line at the grocery store on a weekend) or voting in accordance with the catechism set forth by the pope. I have an aunt who is a preachy "look at me" Catholic but when asked how she can vote for a pro-abortion democrat when the pope says that life is the #1 issue upon which Catholics should base their votes, she immediately goes into the "a woman should be allowed to do what she wants with her body" liberal talking points. What really matters to her are the entitlement programs that she will get from the government. So while NJ, CT and MA may be the greenest states, they are also loaded with the highest percentage of hypocrites. If you want to be a pro-abortion liberal, fine. Just don't claim to be a devout Catholic too because that just isn't possible.
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I don't get it. Wasn't the previous poster's point about the fact that many self-identified catholics were in those states, and thus were naturally attracted to Notre Dame? I'm not entirely sure how states "doing what Jesus would do" have to do with that. Whether or not they live up to their ideals (and we all fail at that, it's what makes us human), his point is right. More self identified Catholics do statistically live in those NE states.

While I'm not at all trying to start something that belongs on the Cesspool (seriously, I'm not). There is no state government (or federal government) that is in accordance with Jesus. Go with abortion in the Northeast, death penalty down South and Texas, a super desire for money just about everywhere, everyone judging everyone, a lack of concern about the poor, the Vatican against "enhanced interrogation" that many people are okay with. Nobody lives up to the J-Man, and no government is supposed to. He was apolitical (render unto Caesar what is his), and no party can really encompass all of what he did without contradictions.
 
tzznandrew said:
I don't get it. Wasn't the previous poster's point about the fact that many self-identified catholics were in those states, and thus were naturally attracted to Notre Dame? I'm not entirely sure how states "doing what Jesus would do" have to do with that. Whether or not they live up to their ideals (and we all fail at that, it's what makes us human), his point is right. More self identified Catholics do statistically live in those NE states.

While I'm not at all trying to start something that belongs on the Cesspool (seriously, I'm not). There is no state government (or federal government) that is in accordance with Jesus. Go with abortion in the Northeast, death penalty down South and Texas, a super desire for money just about everywhere, everyone judging everyone, a lack of concern about the poor, the Vatican against "enhanced interrogation" that many people are okay with. Nobody lives up to the J-Man, and no government is supposed to. He was apolitical (render unto Caesar what is his), and no party can really encompass all of what he did without contradictions.
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I don't disagree. I was just pointing out that it is one thing to self-identify and another to actually walk the walk. But if we get back to ND, I'm not sure the Jesuits really give a damn about living up to the J-Man, as you said, either. Something about the Jesuits..........
 
Druken Friar will you check:

Will aliens abduct Marinatto so that the BE can appoint a decent league president?
 
Ted's Cheeseburger grinders pretty much did away with my no meat on Friday's thing for me. I think even the Pope would chow one of those after a Thursday night of Busch quarts at Ted's.
 
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