If Cincy were to leave...who would replace them???

[buckaineer]

When they were picking schools to add, UConn likely wasn't picked over Rutgers for several reasons.

First, Rutgers is in the NYC market and has demonstrated they are the top draw in NYC for college football.
Second, Rutgers is in the AAU
Third, they have a very large student body -more than 65,000 students which better fits the Big 10 model
Fourth, the State of NJ is larger than the state of Connecticut and has more div 1 recruits that are sought after by major schools
Fifth, in addition to the NYC tv market, Rutgers also has some exposure in the Philadelphia tv market which helps the BTN in efforts to get more money from that market.
Sixth, UConn is a relatively new top level football school whereas RU was the first to play football.

As far as Louisville to the ACC, UConn was coming off a bad performance in the Fiesta, the loss of a coach and a downward trend, while UL had the best year it had had ever in athletics. Plus, politics got involved with BC blocking the move.

 

[TRest]

Football might is exactly why Rutgers and Maryland were invited to the Big 10 and UConn was not. Right.

UConn got outsold. The spot was there for the taking, twice, and UConn couldn't close the deal. The ACC took Pitt and Syracuse teams from dying markets and a community college from Kentucky over UConn. Think about that for a while.

We were never in the mix for the Big 10. I agree we got outsold on the perceived value of football over UL and the others. We were in a death match with UL except we didn't recognize it at the time, probably coasting because UL was such an academic outlier choosing them was previously inconceivable.

 

[Confident Carl]

Rutgers and Maryland being AAU schools was a driving force. Also Rutgers is a more natural NY market. The precedent has already been established with the Jets and Giants. College football also started at Rutgers. Maryland was a little more surprising, especially because of the exit fees. Despite the past 3 years UCONN has been very successful but the newness to D1 and lack of football tradition has hurt us.
UCONN is close to gaining acceptance into the AAU. When that happens it will only aid in our quest to be invited to the B1G.

 

[Confident Carl]

When they were picking schools to add, UConn likely wasn't picked over Rutgers for several reasons.

First, Rutgers is in the NYC market and has demonstrated they are the top draw in NYC for college football.
Second, Rutgers is in the AAU
Third, they have a very large student body -more than 65,000 students which better fits the Big 10 model
Fourth, the State of NJ is larger than the state of Connecticut and has more div 1 recruits that are sought after by major schools
Fifth, in addition to the NYC tv market, Rutgers also has some exposure in the Philadelphia tv market which helps the BTN in efforts to get more money from that market.
Sixth, UConn is a relatively new top level football school whereas RU was the first to play football.

As far as Louisville to the ACC, UConn was coming off a bad performance in the Fiesta, the loss of a coach and a downward trend, while UL had the best year it had had ever in athletics. Plus, politics got involved with BC blocking the move.

I agree and I am from CT . Guess we were writing at the same time.

 

[Confident Carl]

Football might is exactly why Rutgers and Maryland were invited to the Big 10 and UConn was not. Right.

UConn got outsold. The spot was there for the taking, twice, and UConn couldn't close the deal. The ACC took Pitt and Syracuse teams from dying markets and a community college from Kentucky over UConn. Think about that for a while.

Over simplification. TV controls the game now. I hate Syracuse but they have been #1 in Bball most of the year. Also Cuse football has sucked, really sucked for the past ten years but they have Jim Brown and a lot of tradition. Pitt too has a richer football past. From what I have read FSU and Clemson wanted Ville over UCONN.

 

[Fishy]

UConn got outsold. The spot was there for the taking, twice, and UConn couldn't close the deal. The ACC took Pitt and Syracuse teams from dying markets and a community college from Kentucky over UConn. Think about that for a while.

Oh, you are just full of stupid, ain't you?

Nobody freaking knew that the ACC was moving on Syracuse and Pittsburgh until it was a done deal and the ACC took Louisville because they're better at football. And some of the community colleges in the ACC kinda like the company.

Any other spin is idiocy.

 

[billybud]

FSU might have even thought that Louisville's not having a stellar academic rating might be a good thing.

More separation from the UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia crowd.

Louisville was picked up in the middle of a change of guard rebellion in the ACC.

And, if it means anything to the increased media money, Louisville has been ESPN's leading metered market for the past ten years.

 

[buckaineer]

Louisville was clearly an act of desperation in the ACC. It's not anywhere near the Atlantic coast and its academics aren't anywhere near where the ACC previously claimed as its threshold for admittance. Another sign of abrubt decisions from that conference that illustrate clearly how unstable the league is.

 

[billybud]

Fishy posted:

the ACC took Louisville because they're better at football. And some of the community colleges in the ACC kinda like the company.

Any other spin is idiocy.

Kook translation:

"Another sign of abrupt decisions from that conference that illustrate clearly how unstable the league is."

 

[NickyNewark]

Fishy posted:

the ACC took Louisville because they're better at football. And some of the community colleges in the ACC kinda like the company.

Any other spin is idiocy.

Kook translation:

"Another sign of abrupt decisions from that conference that illustrate clearly how unstable the league is."

Talking about kook's maybe you remember the original Ed "Kookie" Burn's and combing his hair back in his Corvette with his vitalis dripping comb? "Kookie, Kookie lend me your comb" on "Rt.66".

 

[buckaineer]

Fishy posted:

the ACC took Louisville because they're better at football. And some of the community colleges in the ACC kinda like the company.

Any other spin is idiocy.

Kook translation:

"Another sign of abrupt decisions from that conference that illustrate clearly how unstable the league is."

Well let's see. Pretty much any normal person can go back and look at the abrubt course change the ACC made in adding Louisville-who didn't meet criteria they previously claimed for admission until-uh, well, until they suddenly had to add someone because they were losing a school.

ACC SPIN demonstrating ACC fan idiocy: UL was added "because they are better at football" based on the fact that in the season they were adding they were having a good year. One good year.

Not surprising since ACC types can't deal with reality. Better to rewrite history after the fact and then play childish name-calling games. LOL!

 

[NickyNewark]

Well let's see. Pretty much any normal person can go back and look at the abrubt course change the ACC made in adding Louisville-who didn't meet criteria they previously claimed for admission until-uh, well, until they suddenly had to add someone because they were losing a school.

ACC SPIN demonstrating ACC fan idiocy: UL was added "because they are better at football" based on the fact that in the season they were adding they were having a good year. One good year.

Not surprising since ACC types can't deal with reality. Better to rewrite history after the fact and then play childish name-calling games. LOL!

Keep you're chin up Buck I sense your getting some ACC backlash from a lot of us old BE guys who always seemed to be on the defensive and I don't see why anyone here would defend the indefensible(ACC) but I admire you're loyalty to you're conference.These ACC guys seemed to show up here out of nowhere when their was a lot of anti ACC feeling here in the NE as though it was a coordinated effort to stem the animosity? I've seen similar moves on other boards too and watch very closely. I wondered why their conference would need to patch PR but isnt it obvious? Then again I've always had a suspicious nature....maybe their just curious but innocuous visitor's here ?

 

[billybud]

Nicky...I do indeed remember Sunset Strip...and Kookie and his comb.

Brylcreem:

"a little dab will do ya, use more only if you dare. The girls will all pursue ya..to get their fingers in your hair.?

 

[NickyNewark]

I'm glad thats what you replied too. After thinking my suspicious nature was unfounded it would have been aroused again.

 

[btstimpy]

Cincy's new AD, Mike Bohn made no bones about wanting out of the American. It's been rumored that they will go to the Big 12, especially with Tuberville's connections as relationship does matter.
So if that happens and UCONN get left behind, then who replaces the Bearcats? The attached article puts UMASS, Southern Miss and Rice as candidates in that order. Thought it was a good read worth sharing.
Always optimistic for a call from the B1G or the ACC but if not the AAC has to grab the best team.
http://conferenceexpansion.com/2013/12/29/if-the-big-12-were-to-expand/

UMass, Southern Mississippi, and Rice are candidates. Others could include Florida International, Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee State, Louisiana Tech, UAB, SUNY Buffalo, and Marshall. It's basically pulling from the C-USA, MAC, or Sunbelt.

UMass, Middle Tennessee State, and Old Dominion are stronger basketball. FIU, Louisiana Tech, and Southern Miss are the better football.

None of these are going to be terribly attractive to UConn. But I think UConn will be in the ACC or Big Ten eventually anyway. So then it becomes what fits best for the AAC long term. With UConn and Cincinnati gone, the league will have shifted more south and west geographically. So one or some of these southern options might be best geographically. The league center could move to Memphis.

 

[NickyNewark]

UMass, Southern Mississippi, and Rice are candidates. Others could include Florida International, Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee State, Louisiana Tech, UAB, SUNY Buffalo, and Marshall. It's basically pulling from the C-USA, MAC, or Sunbelt.

UMass, Middle Tennessee State, and Old Dominion are stronger basketball. FIU, Louisiana Tech, and Southern Miss are the better football.

None of these are going to be terribly attractive to UConn. But I think UConn will be in the ACC or Big Ten eventually anyway. So then it becomes what fits best for the AAC long term. With UConn and Cincinnati gone, the league will have shifted more south and west geographically. So one or some of these southern options might be best geographically. The league center could move to Memphis.

Makes sense stimpy but wouldn't UMass be a better all around fit(after UConn's gone) given that their would be a major geographic hole in the NE plus as a state school have more resourses to offer? Otherwise SMiss makes the most sense to me.

 

[MattMang23]

UMass, Southern Mississippi, and Rice are candidates. Others could include Florida International, Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee State, Louisiana Tech, UAB, SUNY Buffalo, and Marshall. It's basically pulling from the C-USA, MAC, or Sunbelt.

UMass, Middle Tennessee State, and Old Dominion are stronger basketball. FIU, Louisiana Tech, and Southern Miss are the better football.

None of these are going to be terribly attractive to UConn. But I think UConn will be in the ACC or Big Ten eventually anyway. So then it becomes what fits best for the AAC long term. With UConn and Cincinnati gone, the league will have shifted more south and west geographically. So one or some of these southern options might be best geographically. The league center could move to Memphis.

If UConn doesn't leave and the replacements are the schools you are listing, you can just gash me in the eyes with the cavalier's sword. I wouldn't wanna watch this conference anymore. (Not that I really care to now.)

 

[HawkHusky]

What a terrifying scenario...

 

[WestHartHusk]

If Cinci leaves I think we give up on the idea of a championship and throw out Tulsa and Tulane. On a per school basis, UCF/USF/SMU/Houston/Memph/ECU/Temple/UConn has to be worth more than those schools plus Tulsa/Tulane/miscellaneous-crappy-school-listed above. And if that isn't an option, then I really don't see any other option than Indy football, Big East (Fox will be happy to add us to the contract sports) and Hockey East.

 

[MattMang23]

F, I'd rather just keep costs down and play in the NESCAC

 

[btstimpy]

Makes sense stimpy but wouldn't UMass be a better all around fit(after UConn's gone) given that their would be a major geographic hole in the NE plus as a state school have more resourses to offer? Otherwise SMiss makes the most sense to me.

Possibly if they want to maintain a team in the Northeast. The AAC could add UMass and SUNY Buffalo. Along with Temple, that's Massachusetts, New York, and Pennsylania presence. But at the same time I could see Temple going back into the MAC with UMass and SUNY Buffalo for football and back into the Atlantic 10 for everything else allowing the AAC to move out of the NE entirely. Again this would assume UConn and Cincinnati leave.

 

[HawkHusky]

The likelihood of both UCONN and Cincinnati moving to a new conference(s) at the same time is highly unlikely, which means either us or Cincinnati are going to be in a situation like this. Horrible for either program. Let's just hope the B1G chooses further expansion (in the Northeast) before the Big 12 actually goes to 12.