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I think Nikki McCray is gonna be our coach

mbr33ct said:
Since when has Texas "poached" Miss St/Vic Schaefer? IMO all Vic had to say was what Jeff has been saying all along..."I was never going anywhere". If I'm not mistaken, reading all the threads State fans knew all along Vic would hightail to Texas first chance that arose...the money, the plane and them Texas size steaks expedited his exodus.
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Ha ha, I like the avatar!
 
Now they’re reporting it is not a done deal yet because Mississippi State is trying to add an SEC non compete and McCray isn’t having it.
 
I swear...if John Cohen messes this up! He's had a pretty bad few weeks and the confidence in him as AD gets degraded each week. Just up the buyout. Telling her she can't go to Tennessee is stupid. Cohen left Kentucky to come back to coach Mississippi State (baseball). If the Tenn. job comes open and Nikki can't take it, we're gonna have a very disgruntled coach who doesn't want to be in Starkville anymore.
 
G-Dawg said:
I swear...if John Cohen messes this up! He's had a pretty bad few weeks and the confidence in him as AD gets degraded each week. Just up the buyout. Telling her she can't go to Tennessee is stupid. Cohen left Kentucky to come back to coach Mississippi State (baseball). If the Tenn. job comes open and Nikki can't take it, we're gonna have a very disgruntled coach who doesn't want to be in Starkville anymore.
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First contract is only 4 years. That is the max the state allows for contracts. They routinely get reworked annually to keep coaches max term. If she is balking on the first contract about wanting to be able to leave for Tenn in the first 3 years, I can totally understand why they are still negotiating.
 
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DaBball said:
Now they’re reporting it is not a done deal yet because Mississippi State is trying to add an SEC non compete and McCray isn’t having it.
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McCray is not in such high demand that she needs to be squabbling over such contract details; maybe she's opening eyes that she's not in it for the long haul. It's not like anyone else is offering her 3 times her salary right now.
 
southie said:
McCray is not in such high demand that she needs to be squabbling over such contract details; maybe she's opening eyes that she's not in it for the long haul. It's not like anyone else is offering her 3 times her salary right now.
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Nikki McCray will get snatched up by a power 5 program sooner rather than later. I actually think it's MSU that's not in a position to be demanding such a restrictive provision.

Are these types of non compete clauses common in coaching contracts?
 
Plebe said:
Nikki McCray will get snatched up by a power 5 program sooner rather than later. I actually think it's MSU that's not in a position to be demanding such a restrictive provision.

Are these types of non compete clauses common in coaching contracts?
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I mean, I'm in IT, and I have had to sign non-competes many times.

In coaching, it's commonly a buyout.

For example, Texas Tech's men's hoops coach Chris Beard (who is a Texas grad and was a grad assistant coach to Rick Barnes back in the day), after a national runner-up finish in 2019, received a salary raise and contract extension. His buyout was revised and provided an specifi higher cost if he left for another in-state schools (like Texas), or another Big 12 school (like Kansas). So, Tech has basically blocked his leaving for one of those schools unless they are willing to pay huge buyouts. But, if North Carolina comes calling, the buyout is not as high for them.

With Vic Schaefer, I fully expect Texas to have some sort of contract details specifically as it pertains to Texas A&M. Maybe double the buyout as other schools. We did just fork over $1.25 million to MSU; so, I doubt we'll be left holding the bag for Vic to ever walk away without a financial buyout signed.
 
southie said:
I mean, I'm in IT, and I have had to sign non-competes many times.

In coaching, it's commonly a buyout.

For example, Texas Tech's men's hoops coach Chris Beard (who is a Texas grad and was a grad assistant coach to Rick Barnes back in the day), after a national runner-up finish in 2019, received a salary raise and contract extension. His buyout was revised and provided an specifi higher cost if he left for another in-state schools (like Texas), or another Big 12 school (like Kansas). So, Tech has basically blocked his leaving for one of those schools unless they are willing to pay huge buyouts. But, if North Carolina comes calling, the buyout is not as high for them.

With Vic Schaefer, I fully expect Texas to have some sort of contract details specifically as it pertains to Texas A&M. Maybe double the buyout as other schools. We did just fork over $1.25 million to MSU; so, I doubt we'll be left holding the bag for Vic to ever walk away without a financial buyout signed.
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Yes, I realize non-competes have become very common in other industries and particularly tech. Their enforceability does vary from state to state. (As a personal aside, I despise the notion of non-compete clauses because they're essentially a form of indentured servitude.)

I completely agree that if MSU wants protection against McCray leaving for an SEC school, they should pursue that through the buyout clause.
 
Plebe said:
Yes, I realize non-competes have become very common in other industries and particularly tech. Their enforceability does vary from state to state. (As a personal aside, I despise the notion of non-compete clauses because they're essentially a form of indentured servitude.)

I completely agree that if MSU wants protection against McCray leaving for an SEC school, they should pursue that through the buyout clause.
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I see your point regarding the non compete clauses. As long as the parties are in equal negotiating positions I’m okay with them. However personally it would take a lot of guaranteed money for me to agree to one. You do make a good point that enforceability is key. I’m not even talking about in the legal sense. It all depends on a constantly evolving bargaining position of the respective parties.
 
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Plebe said:
Yes, I realize non-competes have become very common in other industries and particularly tech. Their enforceability does vary from state to state. (As a personal aside, I despise the notion of non-compete clauses because they're essentially a form of indentured servitude.)

I completely agree that if MSU wants protection against McCray leaving for an SEC school, they should pursue that through the buyout clause.
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In the Northeast and many industrialized states non-compete agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on. Basically the only way you can enforce them is pay the employee the same salary you were paying them for the length of time you don't want them to compete. Sometimes the only "enforcement" is the hiring company just doesn't want the fuss of threatened litigation, etc. (especially if they are much smaller than the employee's former company).

When I moved to Arizona (for a job) I found out AZ is a very business-friendly and worker-unfriendly state which totally enforces non-compete agreements. When I filled out my on-boarding paperwork from HR I managed to slip my non-compete form in the trash, and got away with it. If asked to sign one (and you can't get away with tossing it) your policy should be, "Pay me up front for the number of years you don't want me to compete if I leave."

BTW in most businesses one year is plenty of time for the ex-employee's skills & industry relationships to fade. The 5-year thing is way overkill in most cases.
 
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Plebe said:
Yes, I realize non-competes have become very common in other industries and particularly tech. Their enforceability does vary from state to state. (As a personal aside, I despise the notion of non-compete clauses because they're essentially a form of indentured servitude.)

I completely agree that if MSU wants protection against McCray leaving for an SEC school, they should pursue that through the buyout clause.
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As a former owner of a small business, I .realize the value of non-compete agreements. An entity needs its members to be familiar with information vital to being a successful concern and those member at the top of management are critical source required to know the inner working of the entity. The ability to protect an entity essential assets from a competitors is a key to that entities future. As for enforcement associated with the non-compete clause, there are normally constraints put forth on the protected asset, I.e. the buyout clause.
 
I had to remove all non-compete clauses from my contracts in Silicon Valley about 1990.
 
DanishBulldog said:
I had to remove all non-compete clauses from my contracts in Silicon Valley about 1990.
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I had to agree to compensate the employee a certain percent of their salary in order to enforce the non-compete agreement. In the event the employee wanted to go to work for a competitor we had to be notified and consent to him going to work for the competitor and the employee or his new employer had to pay us the fee specified in the agreement. If we did not consent we had to pay him the agreed upon percentage. If the employee wanted to work for a non-competitor, one doing work not related to work we did, he was free to do so.
 
Plebe. You've said you watched some ODU games this year. Some people on an ODU board I read complained about the lack of offensive production, but admitted that they were very sound defensively. What, in your opinion, did they look like overall?
 
Now the question is who stays and if anyone decides to leave.... Closely keeping an eye on Rickea, Matharu and Carter.
 
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SECbbfan24 said:
Now the question is who stays and if anyone decides to leave.... Closely keeping an eye on Rickea, Matharu and Carter.
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Matharu posted McCray on her Instagram, so I’d guess she’s staying.

Seems like everyone but Jackson and Carter have announced they’re staying.
 
DaBball said:
Matharu posted McCray on her Instagram, so I’d guess she’s staying.

Seems like everyone but Jackson and Carter have announced they’re staying.
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Rickea is the most critical player to keep moving forward. That would be a pretty devastating loss but I hope she stays
 
She played for Nikki last summer in the 3 on 3 thing. So she would have a pretty good idea if she wants to play for her or not.
 
G-Dawg said:
Plebe. You've said you watched some ODU games this year. Some people on an ODU board I read complained about the lack of offensive production, but admitted that they were very sound defensively. What, in your opinion, did they look like overall?
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Strengths were guard play, defense and effort.
Weaknesses were 3-point shooting, free throw shooting, lack of size.

Old Dominion hung their hat on guard play, defense and effort. They did not have much size on their team. They had only one "starter" over 5'11, and I put that in quotes because she only played like 15 minutes a game and was a complete non-factor on offense. Their best rebounder was a 5'11" forward. Their scoring was very balanced, in the sense that their other 4 starters all averaged about the same amount of points.

However, ODU wasn't loaded with great shooters. They had one starter (Morris) who could get hot from 3 and one bench player who was decent from range. So overall was a bit of an odd combination -- a very guard-heavy team, but most of the guards weren't very good shooters.

Another problem ODU had on offense was poor free throw shooting. They got to the line quite a bit more than their opponents but only shot about 60% as a team, and (looking at the stats now) the two players who got to the line the most shot only 59% and 50%.

I mean, what little I saw didn't have me jumping up and down about what an offensive genius the coach must be. But considering their significant weaknesses in size and shooting, I thought they compensated well in other areas. McCray at MSU is inheriting MUCH more potent tools, in terms of size and skill, than anything she had to work with at ODU.
 
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Interesting article on ODU's site.

odusports.com

Minium: Even though Nikki McCray is Moving On, The Future Looks Bright for ODU Women's Basketball - Old Dominion University

Everyone at ODU should be grateful for what Nikki McCray did at ODU, and not just because she won 45 games the last two seasons. Her players were stars in the classroom and she also left the cupboard full. ODU returns all but two seniors and has a good recruiting class. This team has the...
odusports.com odusports.com

"Selig surely will act quickly to hire a new coach. Days before Mississippi State made it official, he was hearing from many coaches eager to replace McCray."
 
G-Dawg said:
Well, then do I have the perfect team for her! (Sarcasm). We were horrid last year behind the 3pt line until Matharu got going.
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Lol I will say that for me was probably the biggest surprise watching MSU last year. I was expecting both Bibby and Espinoza to be major threats from deep, and neither could get it going.
 
ScottCT said:
They're trying to build a program, not put it into eternal damnation.
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You have no idea who I was gonna recommend
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