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Then, here's a frame-by frame of the contact that Breeding calls a hold. Ross is anticipating the entry pass and starts to try to jump the passing lane. The Columbia player actually moves back into Ross, initiating contact. The Ball has been passed & in the air at Frame #4. Note that in Frame #6, Ross's arm is under the Columbia player's arm. He's not grabbing or hooking the player, but from Breeding's view, it could definitely be seen as that. Then, by Frame #8, the Columbia player starts to push off of Ross's body and starts to release towards the hoop. Frame #9 & #10, the ball is directly over Ross/Columbia player. Again, there may be some possible arm-holding/intertwining going on, but the arm-to arm contact was initiated just as much by the Columbia player as Ross going after the ball. And the Columbia player clearly elbows into Ross, pushes off, then moves to the basket. Breeding blows the whistle and raises his hand for a foul call off of this contact after the ball tips off the Columbia player's hand.

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auror said:
He blows the whistle ~0.8 seconds after the contact. He's dribbling as the contact happens, and then the contact causes him to make a loose 2nd dribble backwards which is one of the things the ref sees and causes him to make the call.

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To me, looks like the excessive leaning/elbow into Ross's torso coupled with the ball/his dribble arm getting behind his body/a loose handle causes him to lose control of his dribble :)

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Well we're going to need Ross defending either AJ or Saunders as Ross is our best, tallest defender. For Saunders, Solo gives up a lot in height and defense. For AJ we either risk Alex or Stewart on him else Ross.
 
I think the overarching main point is, Ross isn't out there committing silly fouls from a lack of discipline or doing something unnecessary.

These are 50/50 calls that can go either way most of the time. It's not a sign of bad or undisciplined defense.

But again, since he's earning a consistent role and playing time to the point he's on the court more he’ll have to adjust to going out of his way to make sure he's not even giving refs a chance to make a 50/50 call.
 
This is a dumb conversation. He committed fouls but overall I think he’s looked much more composed defensively this year. There will be games like this. It’s fine, especially as Mullins works back in and his minutes shrink a bit. He’s going to be brought in for defensive intensity. If he can bring that, I’ll live with foul trouble every once in a while.
 
Inyatkin said:
Glad to see we're going Zapruder film on whether our ninth guy is committing dumb fouls, good use of everyone's time
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It's either that or doing boring work work. Seems like an easy decision.

It's like you don't even know us here. Step up your game, please.
 
Inyatkin said:
Glad to see we're going Zapruder film on whether our ninth guy is committing dumb fouls, good use of everyone's time
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People on this board have gotten so goshdarn strange over Ross to the point they think there's a conspiracy against him. He arm bars a dribbler in the neck and the refs are out to get him.
 
superjohn said:
People on this board have gotten so goshdarn strange over Ross to the point they think there's a conspiracy against him. He arm bars a dribbler in the neck and the refs are out to get him.
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You have one person to thank as it comes to the Ross hypersensitivity.

6 Am GIF
 
superjohn said:
People on this board have gotten so goshdarn strange over Ross to the point they think there's a conspiracy against him. He arm bars a dribbler in the neck and the refs are out to get him.
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What would a BY thread be without the addition of a SJ over-extrapolation or hyperbolic statement? Now we can say it's complete!

No one in this thread said said "the refs were out to get Ross". Many have said he played lousy in the 2nd half (up for debate as to whether it was "lousy", but clearly it was not great)...and/or that he committed "stupid fouls".

If you review the game tape (see GIFs, frame-by-frames in this thread), it turns out 3 of his 2nd-half fouls were 50/50 foul calls that got called. We've all seen games where those called fouls were not called fouls (either on UConn or our Comp) based on the whims of the refs on that particular evening.

That's all that's going on in this thread from my end.
 
JustbrewitMan said:
If you review the game tape (see GIFs, frame-by-frames in this thread), it turns out 3 of his 2nd-half fouls were 50/50 foul calls that got called. We've all seen games where those called fouls were not called fouls (either on UConn or our Comp) based on the whims of the refs on that particular evening.
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No they weren't, that's the point and your Zapruder breakdown doesn't change that.
 
superjohn said:
No they weren't, that's the point and your Zapruder breakdown doesn't change that.
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LOL. Here you go with more SJ absolute-isms.

Those fouls that were called on Ross that we're discussing/debating absolutely do not get called 100% of the time in every game. And you know it. Stop being disingenuous. If they did, every single player in every single NCAA basketball game would foul out before the final horn blew.
 
JustbrewitMan said:
LOL. Here you go with more SJ absolute-isms.

Those fouls that were called on Ross that we're discussing/debating absolutely do not get called 100% of the time in every game. And you know it. Stop being disingenuous. If they did, every single player in every single NCAA basketball game would foul out before the final horn blew.
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Arm bar to a guy's neck is a 50/50 call. Ok, bud
 
Palatine said:
I watched Furphy in that international tournament. He missed many, many shots in the lane. Yes, it was a small, couple of games, sample size. He is a volume scorer. He will have to be much more efficient to get playing time with Hurley.
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Well, he’s a freshman and let’s give him some time
 
JustbrewitMan said:
LOL. Here you go with more SJ absolute-isms.

Those fouls that were called on Ross that we're discussing/debating absolutely do not get called 100% of the time in every game. And you know it. Stop being disingenuous. If they did, every single player in every single NCAA basketball game would foul out before the final horn blew.
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That's an obvious foul that almost certainly doesn't get called if he doesn't reach across his body and put his right arm into the Columbia player's chest. What are we even doing with this?
 
People want to be right about Ross so bad they're arguing why 50/50 calls should've been made on a guy we root for.

I want him to get going offensively just for the pure entertainment of seeing the board react to him earning a full time starting role.
 
HW611 said:
People want to be right about Ross so bad they're arguing why 50/50 calls should've been made on a guy we root for.

I want him to get going offensively just for the pure entertainment of seeing the board react to him earning a full time starting role.
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And you wonder why people argue with you. There is 0 chance Jayden Ross is becoming a full time starter and it has nothing to do with Ross being good or bad. He is not passing Braylon Mullins as the starter
 
navery12 said:
And you wonder why people argue with you. There is 0 chance Jayden Ross is becoming a full time starter and it has nothing to do with Ross being good or bad. He is not passing Braylon Mullins as the starter
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Well this is an improvement from you thinking there was a slim chance Ross would get playing time over Furphy.
 
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