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Hypothetical situation: suppose Uconn had a choice between accepting a B1G ten offer or an ACC with Notre Dame all in for football and nobody else leaving ACC offer. Which one would you take if you were Uconn?
 
BlueWhiteOrange said:
Hypothetical situation: suppose Uconn had a choice between accepting a B1G ten offer or an ACC with Notre Dame all in for football and nobody else leaving ACC offer. Which one would you take if you were Uconn?
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Nobody else ever leaving? As a basketball fan, I'd choose ACC. I think it would be more fun. I don't care about football.

From a money perspective, and from a university prestige factor, I'd wager they'd go B1G. And that would probably be the right choice.
 
tzznandrew said:
Nobody else ever leaving? As a basketball fan, I'd choose ACC. I think it would be more fun. I don't care about football.

From a money perspective, and from a university prestige factor, I'd wager they'd go B1G. And that would probably be the right choice.
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This. I should have fleshed out my answer more but these are my feelings, too.
 
Better $$ choice? B1G. But I live in Tobacco Road and married a Tar Heel so I'm praying for an invite to ACC.
 
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B1G hands down....the money is too much to pass on.

Should add that I just can't see a hypothetical where everyone stays put....

However, our rivals all reside in the ACC so maybe I should think harder on this....screw it....turkey is calling very soon. Sticking with B1G. Basketball is not so horrible and travelling to OSU and Michigan wouldn't be so bad!
 
with ND full member in ACC... Don't think it's close.
ND would get the ACC up to $25M range as constituted...
Better locations, better fit, better everything.

Without ND all in, Big10 hands down.
 
The B1G, easily.

Now, if the $$$ and stability were equal, and it was a choice of current ACC w/ ND all in or the B1G, I would say ACC.
 
Marty Jackson said:
with ND full member in ACC... Don't think it's close.
ND would get the ACC up to $25M range as constituted...
Better locations, better fit, better everything.

Without ND all in, Big10 hands down.
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I agree with all of this. ND all in and everybody else guaranteed not to leave would be more money and closer travel distances. I'd go with the ACC in that case. If ND is not all in or continues their flirty, non-commital ways, then I'd go B1G.
 
My heart says ACC cause I feel like its a good fit, but B1G is way to good to turn down
 
Expansion is a shipwreck.

The Big East is a piece of wood that bobbed up after the ship sank. We're clinging to that. In the end, some chubby broad will watch us slowly sink out of sight.

The ACC is a perfectly nice lifeboat. If we get to that, at worst we'll survive and at best, we'll do quite well.

Big Ten is a Disney cruise ship barreling through the debris. Those people are blissfully unaware of folks like us and our pieces of wood. If we get there, there are no worries about anything. We're not getting there, though.
 
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If the ACC can redo their contracts and get as much as or more than the B1G, the ACC. I'd rather stay on the east coast.
 
ACC is the more natural fit geographically. I would also like the rivalries. The thought of playing Minnesota or Winsconsin does not excite me. N.C. or Duke, however . . . . Not to mention Syracuse and Pitt again.
 
In football, I'm far more interested in watching Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska than anything the ACC has.

And with Maryland and Rutgers there, there are regional rivals to play.

Basketball, though, is what I care about, and an ACC lineup of UNC, Duke, Syracuse beats Michigan State, Indiana, and whatever else by a lot.
 
tzznandrew said:
In football, I'm far more interested in watching Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska than anything the ACC has.

And with Maryland and Rutgers there, there are regional rivals to play.

Basketball, though, is what I care about, and an ACC lineup of UNC, Duke, Syracuse beats Michigan State, Indiana, and whatever else by a lot.
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Most ACC football programs are very well supported. UMD, BC, Duke, and WF are/were probably the only exceptions. And maybe Miami as of right now. Duke just resigned their coach to an extension though. There is plenty of history in ACC football programs, even including Duke.
 
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If the move to the ACC includes a contract increase due to ND, then ACC. We'd have Cuse, Pitt and BC as local rivals. Basketball would be incredible, m and w. Our baseball program would move to the biggest stage. The potential for road trips to Miami, Atlanta etc in the late fall/winter would be nice.

In the B1G, you'd get the occasional visit from Michigan and OSU. We'd have regional opponents in RU, UMD and PSU. We'd have an extra 5 million or so (maybe more) per year to play with. Solid basketball. We'd have a home for hockey as well, although HE is a much better fit.
 
I'd want to see the contract of ND being all in. Are they still allowed to have their own NBC contract money, or are they shifting all in to ESPN with the rest of the ACC? If it's the latter, and it's not laced with loopholes galore, all current ACC schools are in, there is a GOR as well as an astronomical exit fee (and MD pays the full $50 million), the ACC would have to the ability to rework the deal with ESPN, and team 16 would be a solid choice, either UL or some other school, I'd say ACC. You cannot discount the value of ND all in. They boost the value more than anyone in the country, especially with them now being a national player again. If they make the title game, watch how high the TV ratings are. While the B1G would be solid, travel would be higher, we'd have no natural rivals except for RU, the basketball quality comparison would not even be close - and the ACC would likely make a play at MSG for the tournament - B1G hockey would be bad for UConn in comparison to HE - airplanes as opposed to bus league (if you're a fan, you can easily see EVERY game of the season except for ND without boarding a plane), better top to bottom competition, deal with NBC Sports Network and NESN, it's not even close. Ask BC hockey fans if they want to stay in HE or go B1G hockey, they'll say HE.

That said, the scenarios I laid out all are fairly unlikely to happen, so if by the grace of god we have a choice of ACC or B1G and ND is not all in, it's not even close, B1G.
 
Dooley said:
I agree with all of this. ND all in and everybody else guaranteed not to leave would be more money and closer travel distances. I'd go with the ACC in that case. If ND is not all in or continues their flirty, non-commital ways, then I'd go B1G.
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While I have some sympathy for this position, I wonder what would keep the Irish from jumping ship from the ACC whenever they felt it was in their best interest? I think just from a stability standpoint I would go BiG (of course the status and money wouldn´t be bad either).
 
ACC hands down, with or without ND.

Those that say BiG are acting just like the conference commissioners and some school presidents - just chasing the money.

UConn belongs in the best bb conference, one where fb has an even chance to excel, one where away games are relatively close, and one where college rivalries (remember those) can be both revisited and initiated.

Over time its old fashion rivalries and a bunch of schools, not just 3 or 4, having a chance at winning that encourage fan support. For short periods other variables may dominate but the tried and true old rivalry wins all the time.
 
Big 10 on University CIC and Bowl lineup alone. The money would be a bonus.
 
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BiG- It seems like theres a possibility that any combination of FSU, Clemson, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and UNC could and would leave the ACC if offered by the BiG or Big 12. Then we would be in the same situation in the ACC as we are now except with a $50 million dollar exit fee.
 
NEforceUConn said:
UConn belongs in the best bb conference, one where fb has an even chance to excel, one where away games are relatively close, and one where college rivalries (remember those) can be both revisited and initiated.
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Outside of the rivalries aspect, I don't get this argument from people. Is the BB in the ACC better, yes. Is it lightyears better than the B1G, I don't think so. Indiana, Ohio St, and Michigan are in the Top 5, Michigan St is 15. I count 4 ACC teams in the Top 16 and that's including Syracuse into that count. So while the B1G may not play the most up-tempo style basketball, it's still quality.

As for Football, why settle for the ACC level of football when we can push ourselves to higher heights in the B1G. Would we suck for awhile, probably. However, it's not unreasonable to think we could compete with all those teams down the road. However, you need to be there to reach those heights.

Do I truly believe we will be in the B1G, no I don't. I see us in the ACC and will be very happy with that because of the whole Rivalry aspect. However, I don't think it's a bad situation for us like some people here think from a BB aspect.
 
Fishy said:
Expansion is a shipwreck.

The Big East is a piece of wood that bobbed up after the ship sank. We're clinging to that. In the end, some chubby broad will watch us slowly sink out of sight.

The ACC is a perfectly nice lifeboat. If we get to that, at worst we'll survive and at best, we'll do quite well.

Big Ten is a Disney cruise ship barreling through the debris. Those people are blissfully unaware of folks like us and our pieces of wood. If we get there, there are no worries about anything. We're not getting there, though.
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So Fishy, if I am interpreting your post correctly, only a fat broad is interested in your wood.
 
I don't think this is nearly as clear a choice as many in this thread think. If Notre Dame did go all in with the ACC, the ACC financials should alter dramatically. To what extent remains a mystery, but I'd think it could easily become comparable to the Big 10. at that point the fit and geography of the ACC would like make more sense.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
if the $ was anything close then md wouldn't have made the move. md knows all hell is going to break lose in the acc and they got out before hand.
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I think it was the exact opposite. Md isn't seeing any changes on the horizon. Meaning they don't see a date where nd is joining for FB.

Just spent time at Foxwoods so here's how I see it...
The acc has an ace showing with nd. But md was dealt '21' with the big10 offer. I think md just took even money. Who knows what nd is going to do. If they joined, md and the acc could be sitting pretty, maybe even better than the big10 now. What if they don't join. No risk in accepting the big10 offer, and the payout is now. Also important for a cash strapped school.
Even if nd wanted to join, I doubt NBC will let them out now. Not when nd is peaking. And financially, nd is about to get their BCS payday so I doubt they really want to. Unless forced, I really don't think anyone really knows if or when nd would join the acc.
 
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