Hurley on Ross

[El Obrero]

I don’t know, I’m kind of done at this point with Hurley being all inside his own head with these pointless musings about how these boys just can’t measure up to his high standards and tough love like those superheroes of the past two years.
Shut the hell up, you sound like John Calipari after his roster full of one-and-dones gets blown out in the sweet sixteen. Your coaching this season has been ass, and you know it. So why is it necessary to throw your players under the bus before saying so? You lost this locker room because your head got too big to fit inside it.
Worry about your book release in April for gods sake. Sheesh

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I think 611 has crazy takes as much as anyone else, but he’s pretty much only provided objective information in this thread and also actually contributed meaningfully to the discussion.

Can’t say the same for most of the people complaining about him.

Picked out 1 game against Marquette where he played good defense, made like two good passes, and rolled out a BARNSTORMING statline of 2 pts, 1blk, 2asts, 1reb in 27(!!!!!) minutes.

Sure, some things aren’t told by the stats, but good god, are we really going to write a fictional story about Ross based on that? I think the more telling story is the 20 other games where he really hasn’t done a thing, but, 611 is right somehow. Lmao.

 

[Dogdeacon]

7 pages or really any major analysis of Hurley's statement seems absurd. We all think the team needs to get more out of EVERYONE not named Liam McNeeley. So just cuz Hurley mentions getting more outta Ross the implication effects virtually every player?! They need to get more out of the majority of the roster and this statement is one way to get more out of one player. Reading way too much into it.

 

[Colin G]

I trust Hurley implicitly but man I just don’t see it. Another tweener who can’t dribble or shoot isn’t what the team has been missing these last few games

A player who at their best could lock down another teams best player and has the physical gifts to do that.....the team that is known for being solid offensively but bad defensively??

 

[CardiacAndre7]

7 pages or really any major analysis of Hurley's statement seems absurd. We all think the team needs to get more out of EVERYONE not named Liam McNeeley. So just cuz Hurley mentions getting more outta Ross the implication effects virtually every player?! They need to get more out of the majority of the roster and this statement is one way to get more out of one player. Reading way too much into it.

Liam isn’t exempt here. Last 3 he’s shooting 12-39 and has 12 turnovers. Gotta call a spade a spade.

 

[yungdowork]

Picked out 1 game against Marquette where he played good defense, made like two good passes, and rolled out a BARNSTORMING statline of 2 pts, 1blk, 2asts, 1reb in 27(!!!!!) minutes.

Sure, some things aren’t told by the stats, but good god, are we really going to write a fictional story about Ross based on that? I think the more telling story is the 20 other games where he really hasn’t done a thing, but, 611 is right somehow. Lmao.

Pretty crazy that he’s supposedly so bad but still has a higher assist rate, rebound rate, steal rate, and block rate than Stewart over the course of the whole season.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Pretty crazy that he’s supposedly so bad but still has a higher assist rate, rebound rate, steal rate, and block rate than Stewart over the course of the whole season.

Never said Stewart was great, did I? This thread is about Ross.

 

[Chin Diesel]

A large part of me says the way Hurley has gone about managing Ross and Stewart hasn't worked. For the most part, Stewart has gotten minutes before Ross has. What's the worst that can happen- another way of shuffling the deck to get the same undesired result??

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Pretty crazy that he’s supposedly so bad but still has a higher assist rate, rebound rate, steal rate, and block rate than Stewart over the course of the whole season.

Some guys are more obsessed with me being wrong on this board, even if it’s at the expense of trashing one of our own players with clear proof they may have been incorrect in what they were saying.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

This is a ridiculous thread. The wild thing is bookmark it because it's one of the few times I'm in HW's camp

Slowly but surely we’ll get the board to support our guys!

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

I pray to god you used AI for this. I got to give you credit, your relentlessness to prove your point is admirable. Now if you could channel this into college hoops defense, we could use you out on the floor. Suit him up!

Case in point. Did a whole video breakdown and instead of people watching the film to get a proper evaluation of Ross, they’d rather ignore it and make silly comments instead to keep bashing the kid.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Case in point. Did a whole video breakdown and instead of people watching the film to get a proper evaluation of Ross, they’d rather ignore it and make silly comments instead to keep bashing the kid.

It’s 1 game, and it’s not like he was anywhere near a world beater lmao. No way our standards are this low.

It’s not bashing when it’s truthful. He hasn’t proven to be up to the level, not to say he can’t or won’t, but he hasn’t. That’s a fact. It’s told by stats and eye test. Because you are hanging onto a few good plays doesn’t change the fact that there is overwhelming evidence to contradict your opinion.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

It’s 1 game, and it’s not like he was anywhere near a world beater lmao. No way our standards are this low.

It’s not bashing when it’s truthful. He hasn’t proven to be up to the level, not to say he can’t or won’t, but he hasn’t. That’s a fact. It’s told by stats and eye test. Because you are hanging onto a few good plays doesn’t change the fact that there is overwhelming evidence to contradict your opinion.

It was his last game playing heavy minutes.

I didn’t pick out one random game. People in this thread have said Ross can’t do anything but provide energy.

He put together an almost flawless game outside of scoring. You calling it a few good plays continue to show you ignoring obvious film for the sake of wanting to be right for wrongfully bashing a guy.

How about you pull up some recent bad plays where he wasn’t able to handle the ball or pass? Because that’s the lie you’re putting on him and ignoring film to say.

 

[uconngb]

Ross dribbled the ball up the court once against Marquette and Huskywarrior writes a dissertation on it.

Someone needs to explain the love fest to me. Is there ANY other season where this much time/energy has been devoted to a player that plays/contributes so little??

Was there someone hyping up Antric Klaiber like this and I just don’t remember????

If ever there was an opportunity to demonstrate an ability, on EITHER side of the ball, to warrant minutes it was this year. And the guy is an afterthought. Could it be that’s just because it’s justified???

 

[CardiacAndre7]

It was his last game playing heavy minutes.

I didn’t pick out one random game. People in this thread have said Ross can’t do anything but provide energy.

He put together an almost flawless game outside of scoring. You calling it a few good plays continue to show you ignoring obvious film for the sake of wanting to be right for wrongfully bashing a guy.

How about you pull up some recent bad plays where he wasn’t able to handle the ball or pass? Because that’s the lie you’re putting on him and ignoring film to say.

Because I simply don’t feel like doing that. If he gets minutes and puts in a good effort tonight, i’ll be in the chat praising him.

It’s 90% of the time that he hasn’t looked up to the level. The guys on here that evaluate consistently will vouch for that, his stats in games he has gotten minutes vouch for that, and again, as does the eye test.

I trust @auror with eval and benefits of players. If he suggests my viewpoint is wrong on Ross, then you can have a win.

 

[uconngb]

Let me ask you this, his minutes have gone increasingly down throughout the year after the staff heavily invested in him early in the year He's averaging about 4 minutes/game over the last 5 at a crucial point, in some matchups we could likely have used the skills that he does provide. Is that a suggestion that the staff has no idea what they're doing?

He’s even now started a separate thread on this…..he’s either his brother or his agent

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Because I simply don’t feel like doing that. If he gets minutes and puts in a good effort tonight, i’ll be in the chat praising him.

It’s 90% of the time that he hasn’t looked up to the level. The guys on here that evaluate consistently will vouch for that, his stats in games he has gotten minutes vouch for that, and again, as does the eye test.

I trust @auror with eval and benefits of players. If he suggests my viewpoint is wrong on Ross, then you can have a win.

Well he already questioned why Ross hasn’t gotten more opportunity and yall poo pooed his NH example.

The plays are linked and time stamped and easy to watch. I’m not sure why you can’t form your own opinion on it by watching and have to wait for someone else to tell you what to think.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Let me ask you this, his minutes have gone increasingly down throughout the year after the staff heavily invested in him early in the year He's averaging about 4 minutes/game over the last 5 at a crucial point, in some matchups we could likely have used the skills that he does provide. Is that a suggestion that the staff has no idea what they're doing?

Hurley already said he was wrong for cutting his minutes. That’s what this whole thread is about.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Well he already questioned why Ross hasn’t gotten more opportunity and yall poo pooed his NH example.

The plays are linked and time stamped and easy to watch. I’m not sure why you can’t form your own opinion on it by watching and have to wait for someone else to tell you what to think.

Because I have watched almost every other game and seen first hand Ross play poor in front of my eyes. My opinion is fully formed on this.

He also said that he’s been bad pretty much ever since, doesn’t do anything on offense and bricks open 3s. Paint the whole picture, don’t be selective like you have with 1 game.

 

[yungdowork]

Let me ask you this, his minutes have gone increasingly down throughout the year after the staff heavily invested in him early in the year He's averaging about 4 minutes/game over the last 5 at a crucial point, in some matchups we could likely have used the skills that he does provide. Is that a suggestion that the staff has no idea what they're doing?

His minutes went down after Liam came back from injury and now Hurley is suggesting that he should have kept some of those minutes so I don’t get that vibe at all.

In my opinion, he would have been a way better matchup against Coleman in the Seton Hall game, for example.

 

[FreeKlaiber]

Someone needs to explain the love fest to me. Is there ANY other season where this much time/energy has been devoted to a player that plays/contributes so little??

Was there someone hyping up Antric Klaiber like this and I just don’t remember????

Sadly no lol...

As for Ross, I think he is blessed with more athleticism than JStew & apparently his response to coaching in practice is more favorable. Hurley knows if we fill in gaps in the mix with the portal, then not everyone is coming back. Maybe the game will slow down for Ross with PT, only can get experience by playing minutes.

I am much more of a JStew fan, but Dan Hurley sees the higher upside that Ross' quick twitch & lateral foot speed on D may bring. I see his point of view, though it wouldnt be my thinking. I dont think Dan Hurley can picture JStew ever playing D upto his standard, & if thats true, than giving Ross PT now is the right move from a defensive perspective & long term team development.

 

[Palatine]

It will be interesting tonight. Obviously Hurley is saying his team needs more. And he is saying that he thinks Ross can do more.

Hard to say this but... he does see them every day in practice. This is Dan Hurley's judgement. We all know that practice is not games. It doesn't always translate. He was considered by many to the best inn his class (save Castle). It would be very nice if the lights came on at the Ross house.

 

[alphasigko]

Overall, he was EXCELLENT against Marquette. He was EASILY our best defender in this game and made a lot of plays. The only thing he didn’t do was score as he wasn’t aggressive on 1-2 shooting. It seems like his playing time was cut when McNeeley came back because it was between Ross and Stewart and Stewart provided more scoring.

But Ross is not half the things people in this thread say about him. If you want to say something negative about his game that doesn’t have anything to do with his scoring, I challenge you to find something from recent games to show that. VIDEO PROOF.

Not a stat sheet or something you’re making up. Otherwise shutup about trashing one of our own players.

Playing well in ONE GAME does not make a STAR player.

 

[boog204]

He was considered by many to the best inn his class (save Castle). It would be very nice if the lights came on at the Ross house.

He was? I cannot remember one site/ranking/analysis, etc. having Ross anything but the "project" of that group.

 

[yungdowork]

He was? I cannot remember one site/ranking/analysis, etc. having Ross anything but the "project" of that group.

Singare was always considered a project because he started playing late, and a lot of people were doubtful of Stewart because the level of competition he played in high school wasn't crazy high.

Ross won the NY state championship with Long Island Lutheran and seemed to have more experience playing better competition but didn't have eye-popping stats. A lot of people thought he'd be a more steady prospect whereas the other guys could grow into bigger roles.