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HuskyWarrior611 said:
Doing a rewatch per @djct1999 request.

And here’s some notes based on his last game having more than 5 minutes, on the road against Marquette. I watched on YoutubeTV but if it’s possibly to go back and hyperlink the specific plays through the game available on the replay thread I will. (Teaser, you will be disappointed to find out not one pump fake was bitten on in his 27 mins of playing time).

Here at we see examples of both his handle AND passing (video should start at the play @2:25):


(Didn’t get start doing timestamps here yet but will see if I can edit this in)

Made a mistake inbounding the ball the first time Marquette pressured (but everyone makes that mistake these days)

35:46
Drives into the lane for a turnaround smooth pull up

Very next play
He provides great on ball pressure and nearly causes a turnover.

Very next play after break
Provides great help defense, guy just makes a really tough shot over him

40:27
Plays great post defense to cause a turnover then makes a nice pass to break the press that turns into Solo drawing a foul

42:30
Nice interior feed to Reed over a front that leads to a score

45:15
Draws a charge on Joplin

46:45
Beats his guy off the dribble and makes a dump off pass to Reed. Reed doesn’t finish though

48:51
Kam Jones hits a really tough contested 3 over him. The first points somebody scored on him all game.

52:28
Ross misses an open 3

2nd half

1:06:45
There’s a scrum on the floor that Ross tries leaking out for. Marquette gets the ball and finds his open man for a 3.

1:18:32
Kam Jones beats him off the dribble after a screen for a layup

1:19:04
Kam tries to attack Ross again and this time Ross strips him on the drive to the rim causing a turnover

1:21:44
Kam Jones takes him to the rim. Makes a good tough contested floater

1:22:10
Ross gets the shot clock grenade and he should’ve put it up earlier but gets a violation instead

1:29:10
Gets a look underneath the rim he probably should be aggressive with. He ends up finding Solo open for a 3 instead so it works out.

1:30:35
Terrific defense again on a drive by Marquette’s Ross to force a miss.

1:31:01
Struggles to catch a pass from Samson on a cut to the rim and it causes a shot clock violation. (subbed out after this)

1:48:36
Goes for a steal on the inbound pass and misses. Still recovers enough to force a missed layup.

1:49:18
Emphatic block to close out the game.
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A for effort!
 
It's not a perfect example and maybe not one that will get folks overly excited but Ross could be on a similar trajectory as Samson. First two years little to no production, looks raw but the talent is visible at various points then junior year you start to see notable contributions off the bench as we did last year.

We aren't there in practice so we won't know what the staff sees but I don't think these comments are that big of a deal. It's not like he's going to play 25 minutes today or in the near term and if he does that means something really good or really bad happened.
 
Ross is the worst rated player in UConn’s “rotation” via Torvik & Evan Miya. The data and eye test back up the fact that he’s just not really able to contribute to a good team right now. I think Danny likes the idea of what he could be but it’s not translating at all to the games, he’s a net negative on both ends. The question becomes: can he make a big enough leap into his junior season to contribute on a top ten/final four caliber team. Like a top option off the bench on a title contending team. Hard for me to see that as things stand.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
Didn’t call him a star. He’s just not as unplayable as people in this thread make him out to be.
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he's far from unplayable. Give him some prolonged run without fear of a quick hook (if Dan Hurley verbalized it to him) and maybe some pace so we can go up and down, and I think you will be winning THIS argument (cant stand with you on most of the others lol). Gotta read/react instead of thinking too much. We will find out soon enough if this is idle coach talk or real PT changes
 
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FreeKlaiber said:
I think you will be winning THIS argument (cant stand with you on most of the others lol).
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Just chipping away one argument at a time until we get Solo Ball starting at PG. ;)
 
RuffRuff said:
Impeccably said and hard to argue but like death and taxes, 611 will inevitably have spun out anecdote.

As for the Samson comparison, a 5 and guard is two different animals. 5s are harder to find, have more defined roles and often take longer to develop. And hate to say it but has Samson delivered amazing ROI as a backup 5 into an underwhelming starter as a senior? Not sure that’s the bar going forward.
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If they want to keep the program at an elite level, have to make roster decisions that reflect that. Theres a lot of blame to go around and it’s honestly a bit unfair for us to be critiquing this kids game so much. Sometimes Hurley makes things worse by drawing so much attention to it and seemingly putting a little extra pressure on him. He’s an end of rotation player that now has a ten page thread about him lol.
 
in practice where things are a tick slower you can def see how he'd get rave reviews. with the athleticism. could see how maybe some more jumpers fall or it's easier to get to the lane, given how our perimeter defense has looked.

so maybe he is a year away from putting it all together. but i don't think you can guarantee him an extended run. you need ball/karaban/diarra/liam out there for as long as possible, and reed and samson split the 5. everyone else gets a crack, use it or lose it.
 
FreeKlaiber said:
I retract any perceived endorsement of this and your other "theories", other than that Ross may surprise. Maybe he will be Gaffney-esque ? lol
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You don’t want to know what my dream rotation is for next year lol
 
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navery12 said:
I consider myself a glutton for punishment, so I actually do want to know...
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Solo
Mullins
Ross
Stewart
Reed

Nowell
Adams
Abraham
Reibe/Singare

Go into the summer letting Solo know it’s his show next year with a development plan for things to work on to be ready. That lineup is a tall, long, athletic, talented veteran group of upperclassmen with multiple years of experience together and in the program sans Mullins. Would come with great chemistry.

Solo is the guy. Mullins comes in with the 3 part and Hurley will work with him to get the D (pause). Ross and Stewart are the 2nd and 3rd options with Ross as the secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Reed obviously manning the paint.

Ahmad is the first guy off the bench with 20-25 mins a game in a role similar to Bazz and Kemba where he moves Ball to the 2 for stretches and maybe even closes games.

Adams gets time here and there as another guard off the bench at the 2/3. 1 if absolutely necessary if Ball and Nowell are in foul trouble.

Abraham subs in at the 3/4.

Reibe and Singare man’s minutes at center situationally. Singare for defense, Reibe for offense. Maybe even find minutes for Reibe at the four with his offensive skills at times we may want to go big.

Very deep, talented, veteran roster with a lot of options to go small or big, Offense/defense, etc.

That’s my crazy, mad, and sure to get clowned on this board vision for next year.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Solo
Mullins
Ross
Stewart
Reed

Nowell
Adams
Abraham
Reibe/Singare

Go into the summer letting Solo know it’s his show next year with a development plan for things to work on to be ready. That lineup is a tall, long, athletic, talented veteran group of upperclassmen with multiple years of experience together and in the program sans Mullins. Would come with great chemistry.

Solo is the guy. Mullins comes in with the 3 part and Hurley will work with him to get the D (pause). Ross and Stewart are the 2nd and 3rd options with Ross as the secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Reed obviously manning the paint.

Ahmad is the first guy off the bench with 20-25 mins a game in a role similar to Bazz and Kemba where he moves Ball to the 2 for stretches and maybe even closes games.

Adams gets time here and there as another guard off the bench at the 2/3. 1 if absolutely necessary if Ball and Nowell are in foul trouble.

Abraham subs in at the 3/4.

Reibe and Singare man’s minutes at center situationally. Singare for defense, Reibe for offense. Maybe even find minutes for Reibe at the four with his offensive skills at times we may want to go big.

Very deep, talented, veteran roster with a lot of options to go small or big, Offense/defense, etc.

That’s my crazy, mad, and sure to get clowned on this board vision for next year.
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Why is that roster better than this year's roster? It swaps Mullins for NcNeeley, Stewart for Karaban, Reibe for Samson, Ross for Diarra. That's no better than an even trade.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Solo
Mullins
Ross
Stewart
Reed

Nowell
Adams
Abraham
Reibe/Singare

Go into the summer letting Solo know it’s his show next year with a development plan for things to work on to be ready. That lineup is a tall, long, athletic, talented veteran group of upperclassmen with multiple years of experience together and in the program sans Mullins. Would come with great chemistry.

Solo is the guy. Mullins comes in with the 3 part and Hurley will work with him to get the D (pause). Ross and Stewart are the 2nd and 3rd options with Ross as the secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Reed obviously manning the paint.

Ahmad is the first guy off the bench with 20-25 mins a game in a role similar to Bazz and Kemba where he moves Ball to the 2 for stretches and maybe even closes games.

Adams gets time here and there as another guard off the bench at the 2/3. 1 if absolutely necessary if Ball and Nowell are in foul trouble.

Abraham subs in at the 3/4.

Reibe and Singare man’s minutes at center situationally. Singare for defense, Reibe for offense. Maybe even find minutes for Reibe at the four with his offensive skills at times we may want to go big.

Very deep, talented, veteran roster with a lot of options to go small or big, Offense/defense, etc.

That’s my crazy, mad, and sure to get clowned on this board vision for next year.
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UConn in its last ten games: one of the worst in the country in turnover % & basically rolling out one guard who can dribble/run point. Turning it over 1/5 possessions, ranking 322 in the country… The solution? Less dynamic guards & don’t even start one!
 
pj said:
Why is that roster better than this year's roster? It swaps Mullins for NcNeeley, Stewart for Karaban, Reibe for Samson, Ross for Diarra. That's no better than an even trade.
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Diarra and Karaban aren’t talented enough to be star players. They’re amazing role players but we invested in them being stars this year.

Players like Stewart and Ross have the ceiling to do more if we give them the opportunities, shots, and rope we gave them IN MY OPINION.

The roster in general if developed right is a lot more talented than this year and if we can successfully develop Solo into a lead guard we don’t have the size issue anymore. It looks more like 2023 or 2024 on the perimeter.

Replacing Diarra, Karaban, and Samson would be like replacing RJ Cole and Tyrese Martin.

You may be scared at first, but the talented players behind those guys can actually be a lot better once you give them room to do so. Do we really have to make it seem like Samson will be a big loss? Lol
 
pj said:
Why is that roster better than this year's roster? It swaps Mullins for NcNeeley, Stewart for Karaban, Reibe for Samson, Ross for Diarra. That's no better than an even trade.
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One thing, Mullins and Stewart make UConn a much quicker team. I love McNeeley, but he is quick for a 4 but not as quick at the 3. Mullins has really good lateral movement and Stewart, if he can ever figure it out, has significantly more athleticism than Karaban. Add in Riebe, who is a high level offensive player who can shoot with range (centers will have to leave the post to guard him) and Adams who is quick and gets to the hole, and think the athleticism of next year's team will be much better (along with more height). I am with a lot of guys who believe Hurley has to dip into the portal get transfers to help out. A kid like Poplar at Villanova would be the ideal type of add--lanky 6'6 kid who can score, defend, and is athletic. This year's team just doesn't have the right mix and seems slow. Getting more athletic will help a great deal.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
If we can get Ross going and confident by the end of the season, he can be a great leader heading into a breakout junior year next to Solo.

The type of guy you'd want young guys to learn from and follow like Andre if we can make him productive.
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
I just don’t like false narratives on our players. The guy was a former point guard before he hit his growth spurt. Yall are making stuff up to trash on the kid.

He did a great job of both against Marquette. He’s simply struggling to score.
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struggling to score AND rebound. Have to be unbelievably good at everything else if you don’t score and rebound.

P.S. He’s not even close to unbelievably good at everything else. Average comes to mind
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Diarra and Karaban aren’t talented enough to be star players. They’re amazing role players but we invested in them being stars this year.

Players like Stewart and Ross have the ceiling to do more if we give them the opportunities, shots, and rope we gave them IN MY OPINION.

The roster in general if developed right is a lot more talented than this year and if we can successfully develop Solo into a lead guard we don’t have the size issue anymore. It looks more like 2023 or 2024 on the perimeter.

Replacing Diarra, Karaban, and Samson would be like replacing RJ Cole and Tyrese Martin.

You may be scared at first, but the talented players behind those guys can actually be a lot better once you give them room to do so. Do we really have to make it seem like Samson will be a big loss? Lol
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Don’t see Solo as a lead guard. Have you seen him run the fast break. It hurts the eyes. Last game he turned a 2 on 1 into a turnover.
Let’s not repeat the AM experiment with Solo.
Solo is a great shooter who has not been very successful attacking the basket.
 
sdglast said:
One thing, Mullins and Stewart make UConn a much quicker team. I love McNeeley, but he is quick for a 4 but not as quick at the 3. Mullins has really good lateral movement and Stewart, if he can ever figure it out, has significantly more athleticism than Karaban. Add in Riebe, who is a high level offensive player who can shoot with range (centers will have to leave the post to guard him) and Adams who is quick and gets to the hole, and think the athleticism of next year's team will be much better (along with more height). I am with a lot of guys who believe Hurley has to dip into the portal get transfers to help out. A kid like Poplar at Villanova would be the ideal type of add--lanky 6'6 kid who can score, defend, and is athletic. This year's team just doesn't have the right mix and seems slow. Getting more athletic will help a great deal.
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Getting more athletic is a must and will help but Stewart isn’t the answer there
 
Beowulf said:
in practice where things are a tick slower you can def see how he'd get rave reviews. with the athleticism. could see how maybe some more jumpers fall or it's easier to get to the lane, given how our perimeter defense has looked.

so maybe he is a year away from putting it all together. but i don't think you can guarantee him an extended run. you need ball/karaban/diarra/liam out there for as long as possible, and reed and samson split the 5. everyone else gets a crack, use it or lose it.
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Probably looks good in practice because the rest of the team is so unathletic..
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Solo
Mullins
Ross
Stewart
Reed

Nowell
Adams
Abraham
Reibe/Singare

Go into the summer letting Solo know it’s his show next year with a development plan for things to work on to be ready. That lineup is a tall, long, athletic, talented veteran group of upperclassmen with multiple years of experience together and in the program sans Mullins. Would come with great chemistry.

Solo is the guy. Mullins comes in with the 3 part and Hurley will work with him to get the D (pause). Ross and Stewart are the 2nd and 3rd options with Ross as the secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Reed obviously manning the paint.

Ahmad is the first guy off the bench with 20-25 mins a game in a role similar to Bazz and Kemba where he moves Ball to the 2 for stretches and maybe even closes games.

Adams gets time here and there as another guard off the bench at the 2/3. 1 if absolutely necessary if Ball and Nowell are in foul trouble.

Abraham subs in at the 3/4.

Reibe and Singare man’s minutes at center situationally. Singare for defense, Reibe for offense. Maybe even find minutes for Reibe at the four with his offensive skills at times we may want to go big.

Very deep, talented, veteran roster with a lot of options to go small or big, Offense/defense, etc.

That’s my crazy, mad, and sure to get clowned on this board vision for next year.
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I don’t hate it, but you’re missing someone….

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I'm not sure what to think about Hurley’s comment on giving Ross more PT or his game. Way way back when the season started, he was driving the lane and knocking down 3s, but for months now it seems the game is just too fast for him.

Both he and Stewart have way to many negative or unproductive minutes just about every game. It often looks like he doesn't know what to do in the motion offense and can't hit his open 3s and layups. Stewart has had some nice offensive stretches from deep and on the offensive glass, but then either dissappears or turns it over at an alarming rate.
Just a little consistency from either or both players would really help this team, but neither seem to be able to do that. I just don't know what to expect from either of them this season or next to that matter.
 
Palatine said:
It will be interesting tonight. Obviously Hurley is saying his team needs more. And he is saying that he thinks Ross can do more.

Hard to say this but... he does see them every day in practice. This is Dan Hurley's judgement. We all know that practice is not games. It doesn't always translate. He was considered by many to the best inn his class (save Castle). It would be very nice if the lights came on at the Ross house.
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Ross was not considered the best in that class, aside from Castle. I think he was widely considered the 4th best out of 5.
 
yungdowork said:
Singare was always considered a project because he started playing late, and a lot of people were doubtful of Stewart because the level of competition he played in high school wasn't crazy high.

Ross won the NY state championship with Long Island Lutheran and seemed to have more experience playing better competition but didn't have eye-popping stats. A lot of people thought he'd be a more steady prospect whereas the other guys could grow into bigger roles.
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Never really heard any talk downplaying the competition out in Seattle with all of the high level players that area has produced over the last 20 years or so
 
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