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How many yes votes do you think we have so far?

How many yes votes do you think we have so far?

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CL82 said:
Why is Iowa St. a no? They aren't still bitter over the mascot thing, are they?
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Perhaps they're still pissed off that we whacked them pretty good in football during the 2002 season on our one road trip ever to Ames. They're a weak football program in the B12, so they may be envisioning history repeating itself.
 
VAHuskyFan said:
The FedEx bribe talk is so ridiculous. The bribe amounts to "nothing" more or less.

They're a publicly-traded company; they are not going to commit to paying above-market for anything. They can only offer promises with essentially no economic value.

It's like me offering to "contribute" $100M to the U.S. Mint by ordering 100 million dollar bills. Doesn't move the needle.

If FedEx execs were offering to donate millions from their private holdings, that would be one thing. But they're not. This is an obvious PR con job.
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I know fans of each school are going to put a biased slant all information but you should look closer at the agressive sports marketing and advertising philosophy practiced by FedEx. Publicly held yes but don't underestimate the power Fred Smith welds in all aspects of company leadership. If he commits to something and puts it writing as he did in this case he already has enough support to back it up. The Sponsorship offer is real and it is substantial and The FedEx sports advertising clout is undeniably among the most influential.

The FedEx execs separate from advertising dollars are committing millions. The donor list already affirms that. Everyone understands what the B12 invite means to any of our cities and all candidates are lining up the support with extreme urgency.

Try another apology. The mint one you provided is faulty.
 
Tigerx3 said:
I know fans of each school are going to put a biased slant all information but you should look closer at the agressive sports marketing and advertising philosophy practiced by FedEx. Publicly held yes but don't underestimate the power Fred Smith welds in all aspects of company leadership. If he commits to something and puts it writing as he did in this case he already has enough support to back it up. The Sponsorship offer is real and it is substantial and The FedEx sports advertising clout is undeniably among the most influential.

The FedEx execs separate from advertising dollars are committing millions. The donor list already affirms that. Everyone understands what the B12 invite means to any of our cities and all candidates are lining up the support with extreme urgency.

Try another apology. The mint one you provided is faulty.
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The word you're looking for is 'analogy.' An apology is what you should be asking Memphis State College for.
 
The metrics being competed against aren't all weighted evenly by each voting school...and sometimes the conference.

example... the B1G...academics trumped athletic performance when Rutgers was taken.

...the ACC valued football when Louisville was taken

What will the Big 12 weight more heavily...market, athletic performance, football, academics, Texas politics?

That's the question.
 
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billybud said:
The metrics being competed against aren't all weighted evenly by each voting school...and sometimes the conference.

example... the B1G...academics trumped athletic performance when Rutgers was taken.

...the ACC valued football when Louisville was taken

What will the Big 12 weight more heavily...market, athletic performance, football, academics, Texas politics?

That's the question.
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Agree with your overall point but Rutgers was not chose for its academics. The sole reason they were chosen was their proximity to NYC.
 
billybud said:
The metrics being competed against aren't all weighted evenly by each voting school...and sometimes the conference.

example... the B1G...academics trumped athletic performance when Rutgers was taken.

...the ACC valued football when Louisville was taken

What will the Big 12 weight more heavily...market, athletic performance, football, academics, Texas politics?

That's the question.
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Phewww. Thanks for pointing that out.


Does this practice of different weighting apply to other voting categories as well?
 
Tigerx3 said:
I know fans of each school are going to put a biased slant all information but you should look closer at the agressive sports marketing and advertising philosophy practiced by FedEx. Publicly held yes but don't underestimate the power Fred Smith welds in all aspects of company leadership. If he commits to something and puts it writing as he did in this case he already has enough support to back it up. The Sponsorship offer is real and it is substantial and The FedEx sports advertising clout is undeniably among the most influential.

The FedEx execs separate from advertising dollars are committing millions. The donor list already affirms that. Everyone understands what the B12 invite means to any of our cities and all candidates are lining up the support with extreme urgency.

Try another apology. The mint one you provided is faulty.
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FedEx money only means anything if it's over and above what the B12 could get from other sponsors and advertisers. Where has it been stated that FedEx is paying over market rates for both, and if so, won't shareholders want to know why they are overpaying?

FedEx isn't the only sponsorship/advertising game in town.
 
CTMike said:
FedEx money only means anything if it's over and above what the B12 could get from other sponsors and advertisers. Where has it been stated that FedEx is paying over market rates for both, and if so, won't shareholders want to know why they are overpaying?

FedEx isn't the only sponsorship/advertising game in town.
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...and the fact that never materialized in the AAC should make any reasonable person skeptical.
 
They don't even know what they are voting to achieve yet, so individual school voting hasn't happened yet.

I do think individual schools in the XII have favorites based on what they think they want. I think all 12 would vote for UCONN if presented as the best option for any one slot.

But right now you have UT pushing UH for non-CR related reasons. You have OU pushing against UT domination and everyone else choosing sides or sitting out. The Texas schools are waiting to see what UT is going to want or allow. The non Texas schools want a the most viable league with the most visbke network. All 10 would like to see a better academic school and cultural fit (think like a president), but thisewill take a back seat to the money and internal politics.

Even the vote on 12 vs 14 is dependant on who they 12 or 14 were.

I think all 10 would like to stay at 10, but 9 of them know that us suicide. Then the question is 12 vs 14. I agree that there is not a compromise outide (BYU and UCONN) that can be reached for 12. Not as long as UH is in the mix and not as long as some teams think UCONN is a far away non FB school, which I am sure some do rightly or wrongly.

A few schools also like cincy, because they are OK in all boxes. A few hate BYU for being a larger version of Baylor with none of the cache of ND. No one really likes Memphis unless you ignore everything before last season and a few probably like CSU because they remember CU being in the league. One or two might be talked into a FL school.

So if I'm a seersucker suit wearing President of a XII school, I can see why this is messed up. Someone will be a bit unhappy and all will be underwhelmed the minute the press conference is over. If they could have any of the 4 that left back they would take them. If they could have any of the P5 schools on their wish list they would.

The haven't come to grips with the fact they are a 6 level of a conference looking for 9 level schools and they are struggling with that.

If UT really wants UH then we are in. If UT will accept 12 without UH, then there is some possibility they will take BYU and Cincy because FB and geography. It might take a pay hit from the networks to make that fly, but it is doable. The best 12 is UCONN and either (cincy or BYU). The best 14 is those three plus either UH or UCF.

If I'm leading that deliberation my first question is what is most important to each school. Top three from a list of criteria. Name one item you can't live with (not a school name) but a concept or outcome. Then stay at 10, 12 or 14.

You now at least have a manageable board to refine alternatives that stand a chance.
 
My board if I'm OU.

1. Guaranteed revenue in line with SEC and B1G.
2. Increased chances at CFP as shown in projections.
3. Commitment to XII long term stability (this is a white lie, but politically useful)
3a. (Secret) break up the power of the Texas block.

Can't live with: the status quo.


You'll note that at no time did I require a conference network, an extension of the GOR (others will do that), an end to the LHR, or undermining UT's plan for a Houston campus.

My board for UT:

1. Keep the LHN for the duration of its contract with ESPN (we got our $$$)
2. close the deal on the Houston campus project.
3. Keep the XII close to its traditional roots. (Even though this isnt actually a real thing)
3a. (Secret) maintain UT as the dominant school in the XII and midwest. (Keep doing WTH we like)

Can't live with: any talk of a GOR extention (see 3a, we want to control our destiny in 2025)

You can make up others for the other schools and networks if you like, but other than the network's cost valuation, this is the meat right here.

UT is happy to stay where it is or is willing to exploit this and OU is feeling a little Nebraska-y.
 
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I'm wondering about this best-case scenario for UConn:

Northeast - *UConn, WVU, *Memphis, *Cincinnati, ISU, Kansas, KSU
Southwest - OU, OK State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Texas, *Houston

Possibly substitute a Florida school for Memphis. In this scenario:

1) Texas gets Houston and their new branch school in Houston.
2) The northern schools get: a) three schools outside of Texas, to diminish the power of the Texas schools, b) in their mind, a relatively easy path to the conference championship game, and c) some "basketball" schools added to the conference.

But what does OU get out of this? They keep their annual games with Texas and OSU, but not much else.
 
CTMike said:
FedEx money only means anything if it's over and above what the B12 could get from other sponsors and advertisers. Where has it been stated that FedEx is paying over market rates for both, and if so, won't shareholders want to know why they are overpaying?

FedEx isn't the only sponsorship/advertising game in town.
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Read and understand the entire post. As far as I know nobody else has stepped up but no, I'm not claiming they are the only ones capable. But, they are one of the big dogs that sit at any media table and be respected and listened too. That you can't argue. If it's not an issue or no value, where are the others that are aligned to a candidate? Find another arguement
 
People, I'm not claims we are in. I'm just saying let's wait and see. You might see more support than you're giving us credit for.
 
Redding Husky said:
I'm wondering about this best-case scenario for UConn:

Northeast - *UConn, WVU, *Memphis, *Cincinnati, ISU, Kansas, KSU
Southwest - OU, OK State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Texas, *Houston

Possibly substitute a Florida school for Memphis. In this scenario:

1) Texas gets Houston and their new branch school in Houston.
2) The northern schools get: a) three schools outside of Texas, to diminish the power of the Texas schools, b) in their mind, a relatively easy path to the conference championship game, and c) some "basketball" schools added to the conference.

But what does OU get out of this? They keep their annual games with Texas and OSU, but not much else.
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Or as these divisions shall be called, "BB and FB"

OU gets what I assumed they wanted.
More money
A stabilized, to the extent possible, B12
A diluted influence of UT
And depending on the deal, the chance to revisit everything in 8 years.
 
Redding Husky said:
I'm wondering about this best-case scenario for UConn:

Northeast - *UConn, WVU, *Memphis, *Cincinnati, ISU, Kansas, KSU
Southwest - OU, OK State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Texas, *Houston
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Absolutely not.
No one is going to agree to put all the top FB schools in one division.
 
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Iowa St's strategy is curious. They should be the most vocal for expansion and big expansion. If the B12 falls apart, no one is inviting them.
They need to be all in on the B12 success, and the B12 putting together the strongest alignment to survive if/when Oklahoma & Texas leave.
 
vowelguy said:
Absolutely not.
No one is going to agree to put all the top FB schools in one division.
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They won't because they're going to want to have Texas schools in both leagues for recruiting purposes, but there is definitely going to be an imbalance of football strength in those divisions. The top schools want it because they want the strong SOS to get into the CFP, and the weaker schools want it because they want a chance at a division title and consistent bowl eligibility.
 
vowelguy said:
Iowa St's strategy is curious. They should be the most vocal for expansion and big expansion. If the B12 falls apart, no one is inviting them.
They need to be all in on the B12 success, and the B12 putting together the strongest alignment to survive if/when Oklahoma & Texas leave.
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They incorrectly assume that if they make a play for the deciding vote that they might get an extension of the GOR. It's not a horrible strategy because who is really going to listen to them otherwise.

If the L8 are operating together, then you would want one school to be the tie breaker between UT and OU if the other 7 have to toe the line with either school. OsU has to follow OU, the Texas schools have to follow Texas, the KS schools have to be together and with OU or else UT has 8 vote. ISU without an instate partner makes the perfect spoiler.

That assumes dynamics that I can't know and a level of organization that the XII hasn't shown, but it is a strategy one could employ.
 
SubbaBub said:
They incorrectly assume that if they make a play for the deciding vote that they might get an extension of the GOR. It's not a horrible strategy because who is really going to listen to them otherwise.

If the L8 are operating together, then you would want one school to be the tie breaker between UT and OU if the other 7 have to toe the line with either school. OsU has to follow OU, the Texas schools have to follow Texas, the KS schools have to be together and with OU or else UT has 8 vote. ISU without an instate partner makes the perfect spoiler.

That assumes dynamics that I can't know and a level of organization that the XII hasn't shown, but it is a strategy one could employ.
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Why do private schools Baylor & TCU have to be with TX?

Ok, suppose they are. Then if TX 4 + KS 2 + WV 1 become dependent on ISU for the last vote. And why exactly would KS & WV be with TX and not OK?
 
vowelguy said:
Why do private schools Baylor & TCU have to be with TX?

Ok, suppose they are. Then if TX 4 + KS 2 + WV 1 become dependent on ISU for the last vote. And why exactly would KS & WV be with TX and not OK?
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Just because they are private doesn't mean they get to ignore TX politics. The TX schools will vote as a block, which is why OU and the others are so opposed to UH and why N, A&M, Mizzou, and CU left.
 
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I'm tired of Gilligan's Island anyway. Time for something different:

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