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J187Money said:
6-2 puts us in a bowl. So there's that.
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Not necessarily. It only makes UConn Bowl Eligible. They still may not go to a bowl depending on how many teams in the conference are above them.

In 2003, an Independent UConn went 9-3 and beat such BCS Conference teams as Indiana, Rutgers, and Wake Forest (Lost but played hard)to BC, lost on the road to #5 VaTech, and NC State). Though UConn was not yet conference affiliated, they should have gone to a low tier bowl.
 
Husky25 said:
Not necessarily. It only makes UConn Bowl Eligible. They still may not go to a bowl depending on how many teams in the conference are above them.

In 2003, an Independent UConn went 9-3 and beat such BCS Conference teams as Indiana, Rutgers, and Wake Forest (Lost but played hard)to BC, lost on the road to #5 VaTech, and NC State). Though UConn was not yet conference affiliated, they should have gone to a low tier bowl.
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As you note - that's because we were an Independent.

UConn goes 6-6, they are going bowling. You may not like the bowl location (or it's name) but they will be playing somewhere. Too good of a story. AAC will find a place.
 
He's going to be coaching the same team right? The one that can't block, run, throw, or tackle?

You can't hang this team's performance on just "poor coaching".

Rookie coach starting a freshman QB...even if the O-line suddenly remembers how to block, expecting more than 2/3 wins is just ludicrous. Chalking up 4 automatic wins over 4 "lousy" teams is a bit of a stretch I think. Four teams that are 3-16 are going to be very competitive games for a team that's 0-4. Poor coaching may have only made a mediocre team bad. With better coaching is this 10-18 team 14-14, 18-10? I really hope over the next 8 games to find out that the talent on this team really is better than 10-18.

If Weist gets 2/3 wins and at least competes on the field he may get an interview and an Ollie-like prove it to me contract for next year. "Proven" coaches aren't going to be knocking on the door here. The notion of some big name or highly regarded assistant coming to UConn is just fantasy. Big names are only going to places where the table is already set for them. Any assistant from any school is going to be the same unknown quantity TJ is.

No matter what Warde says about wins, if he sees 8 Michigan-like efforts, regardless of the record, TJ will get a fair shot at the job.

To answer the question; rookie coach, rookie QB, and overall talent level that's still to be determined, 2/3 wins and competitive play I'd give TJ another year, maybe two. I'd want to see how he recruits before making longer commitment.
 
Boudreaux said:
He's going to be coaching the same team right? The one that can't block, run, throw, or tackle?

You can't hang this team's performance on just "poor coaching".

Rookie coach starting a freshman QB...even if the O-line suddenly remembers how to block, expecting more than 2/3 wins is just ludicrous. Chalking up 4 automatic wins over 4 "lousy" teams is a bit of a stretch I think. Four teams that are 3-16 are going to be very competitive games for a team that's 0-4. Poor coaching may have only made a mediocre team bad. With better coaching is this 10-18 team 14-14, 18-10? I really hope over the next 8 games to find out that the talent on this team really is better than 10-18.

If Weist gets 2/3 wins and at least competes on the field he may get an interview and an Ollie-like prove it to me contract for next year. "Proven" coaches aren't going to be knocking on the door here. The notion of some big name or highly regarded assistant coming to UConn is just fantasy. Big names are only going to places where the table is already set for them. Any assistant from any school is going to be the same unknown quantity TJ is.

No matter what Warde says about wins, if he sees 8 Michigan-like efforts, regardless of the record, TJ will get a fair shot at the job.

To answer the question; rookie coach, rookie QB, and overall talent level that's still to be determined, 2/3 wins and competitive play I'd give TJ another year, maybe two. I'd want to see how he recruits before making longer commitment.
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Could you tell me the last college football coach who got a 1 year contract? Kinda lost some credibility there.
 
This is Warde's biggest hire. It could be his legacy. If he hires TJ then it will be because he has little doubt.

At the Press Conference, Warde tells everyone that he talked to our donors and that we aren't going backwards pay wise.
That should tell you where Warde is oriented at the moment. TJ needs to do something pretty amazing to get Warde's attention.

There is nowhere to go but up or stay down.
 
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huskymedic said:
As you note - that's because we were an Independent.

UConn goes 6-6, they are going bowling. You may not like the bowl location (or it's name) but they will be playing somewhere. Too good of a story. AAC will find a place.
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The AAC is associated with 6 bowls this year, so IF they go 6-6, UConn is probably going to a bowl, but there are certainly bowl eligible teams in the recent past who have not. That's all I'm saying...
 
sportsart said:
Could you tell me the last college football coach who got a 1 year contract? Kinda lost some credibility there.
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It's all in how you structure a contract. Is three years really three years? Don't take things so literally.
 
ZooCougar said:
This is Warde's biggest hire. It could be his legacy. If he hires TJ then it will be because he has little doubt.

At the Press Conference, Warde tells everyone that he talked to our donors and that we aren't going backwards pay wise.
That should tell you where Warde is oriented at the moment. TJ needs to do something pretty amazing to get Warde's attention.

There is nowhere to go but up or stay down.
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It's a basketball school. Warde's legacy, depending on how long he stays...

1. Does Ollie get UConn back to being a Top 20 team.
2. Who he hires to replace Geno.
3. If he can find a football coach that can go 8-4 in a crap conference.
 
Boudreaux said:
It's a basketball school. Warde's legacy, depending on how long he stays...

1. Does Ollie get UConn back to being a Top 20 team.
2. Who he hires to replace Geno.
3. If he can find a football coach that can go 8-4 in a crap conference.
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That is because of close-minded "fans" like you just portrayed.

Do you know what UConn was know for before it was a basketball school? Nothing.
 
Boudreaux said:
It's all in how you structure a contract. Is three years really three years? Don't take things so literally.
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We're not going to sign up another coach for three years and then fire him a year later.

You either commit to him or not. The ONLY way you get a one year coach is if you hire Todd Graham, or you fire your head coach off cycle like Arkansas did.
 
It's not just wins.

Weist needs style points to win me over. I want to see imagination. I want to see opposing defenses off balance. I want to see players performing at a high level and making plays. I want to see time outs handled correctly. I want an agressive confident team, not a passive "hope-to-make-it-to-the-4th-quarter" approach.
 
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Palatine said:
It's not just wins.

Weist needs style points to win me over. I want to see imagination. I want to see opposing defenses off balance. I want to see players performing at a high level and making plays. I want to see time outs handled correctly. I want an agressive confident team, not a passive "hope-to-make-it-to-the-4th-quarter" approach.
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Same here! I want this to become an exciting team that draws fans to the stadium and to watching on media venues! If he can generate that excitement and get the team to improve as the season goes on, plus the wins, he gets strongly considered. Just winning in boring low scoring game with no excitement won't do it for me.
 
Boudreaux said:
He's going to be coaching the same team right? The one that can't block, run, throw, or tackle?

You can't hang this team's performance on just "poor coaching".

Rookie coach starting a freshman QB...even if the O-line suddenly remembers how to block, expecting more than 2/3 wins is just ludicrous. Chalking up 4 automatic wins over 4 "lousy" teams is a bit of a stretch I think. Four teams that are 3-16 are going to be very competitive games for a team that's 0-4. Poor coaching may have only made a mediocre team bad. With better coaching is this 10-18 team 14-14, 18-10? I really hope over the next 8 games to find out that the talent on this team really is better than 10-18.

If Weist gets 2/3 wins and at least competes on the field he may get an interview and an Ollie-like prove it to me contract for next year. "Proven" coaches aren't going to be knocking on the door here. The notion of some big name or highly regarded assistant coming to UConn is just fantasy. Big names are only going to places where the table is already set for them. Any assistant from any school is going to be the same unknown quantity TJ is.
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don't disagree on the upcoming games not being pushovers. My only point was that winning 4 games agaisnt that dreck doesn't make Weist the 2nd coming of Knute Rockne. It just means he got them to play well enough to beat 4 bad football teams. But in any case, UConn isn't giving anybody an "Ollie-type" contract. Weist has one now. He isn't getting another one. As far as UConn landing a proven head coach, that is going to be a function of what you define as a "proven" coach. We're not landing Nick Saban, but most coordinators at major programs would give it serious consideration as would most, if not all MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt coaches, most currently out of work guys like Kiffen (though we won't consider him) and pretty much any 1AA coach. Are there a few coordinators who would not take the job? Oh probably, and they aren't taking UConn over USC either but if you look at the top 10 "hotseat jobs" this week, we are a better destination than Akron, Hawaii(well, not a better destination but a better coaching gig!), Eastern Michigan, UMass, and FIU. Throw in the open Miami job and we're better there, too. Only my view, but I think we have more upside than Kansas, which aside from Mangino's reign of terror, you have to go back to 1994-95 to find consecutive winning seasons. Same with Indiana. if you're a coach looking to get into the big time, is it worth going to a program that has had 1 winning season in 20 years? You might be the guy who gets #2, but again, lots of guys thought they would get #2. Go down the list of potentially open jobs and throw out the ones from the West Coast (USC, Hawaii, Cal, and the real deep south ones like Mississippi State because we aren't looking at the same coaches for the most part and there aren't that many places where we can't compete for coaches. Add the fact that UConn will likely be willing to pay at least in the $1.5-2.5 million range and add in facilities and it isn't Michigan but its a job where you could have success and could move even higher if you do. Also don't lose track of the fact that if you're the hot coordinator at the University of Northern South Carolina this year, and you turn down an offer of a head coaching gig, because you figure Southern North Carolina will open up next year, if you get passed over there, or you have a bad year even for reasons beyond your control, you might just spend your whole career as a coordinator somewhere. If guys get offered head coaching jobs, they tend to accept. There just aren't that many of them.
 
TJ is in a tough position. We really don't know if the losses rests solely on the back of "coaching", "talent", or "effort".......it could be a part of each.

You "know" defensive coaches from AAC teams are druling at the possibility of facing an young, inexperienced QB; a pourous offensive line; injured and/or lack of depth/experience in receiving corps; ineffective running backs; key defensive players out...........what are the realistic chances of this team beating the likeness of UCF, Rutgers, Cinn, SMU,Louisville, Cinncinnatti?

TJ wins me over if the team plays as competitive as possible within the limits of current personnel & experience. If the offense shows unpredictable sequence of plays.....or perhaps plays never associated with any UConn team. W's may be tough to come by.......but if a "michigan type" effort is displayed in every game, no stupid mistakes, and the outcome of the game is not apparent until the final minutes (Unless its a UConn blowout win)........I'd vote for TJ.

We have a coach with what appears to be solid pedigree as a player and coach. (however, like the stock market, past performance is not a guarantee of future successes). Outside of W's & L's, recruiting herein out will be very difficult this year as the future head coach is unknown. And there may be departures after the season because of conflicting attitudes between players and coach.

I have a lot of respect and admiration for TJ assuming this position. W's are important, and without them both UConn's and TG's image will suffer.......and TJ may be gone. I understand the business. But I give him an A+ in attempt even before the first snap this Saturday........I certainly would not want to be in his shoes. Certainly hope he and UConn show increased promise for the future.
 
Really a bowl bid is the absolute minimum for me to even consider TJW. I like him a lot, he seems like a solid coach and would probably be a good hire for a lot of programs, but I'd rather they clean house. The only guy I wouldn't mind if he sticks around is Foley. I think we need to role the dice on someone a little more dynamic.
 
The wierd thing is if TJW wasn't already on the staff we would think of him as someone who we should interview for the HC job.

With him here already he could be a victim of the "start fresh" approach.

In some respects it hurts him to already be on the staff and named interm coach.

That being said if he gets 4 wins I would think he would at least be considered.
 
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Calhoun's Court said:
The wierd thing is if TJW wasn't already on the staff we would think of him as someone who we should interview for the HC job.
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If he wasn't on the staff we wouldn't know him. How many reciever coaches can you name?
 
Should probably consider that WM may have brought TJ is as a possible future successor to P. Possibly as soon as next year. No one saw 0-4.

I do like the idea of growing our own coaches, but this search has to be national. There is too much at stake.

I would like the new coach to at least interview some of the former position coaches being talked up by our NFL guys for the OC and DC spots.
 
SubbaBub,
I don't believe that he was brought in as P's replacement for a second. He was brought in to be the offensive coordinator in hope that he could breath some life into one of the worst offenses in college football. It isn't like we stole him from Chip Kelly's staff. He was out of work when Butch didn't bring him to Tennessee. He had never been an OC at this level though he was one at a 1AA program for a few years. It would have been an odd guy to select as "coach in waiting" in my view. Not impossible I suppose but aiming pretty low.
 
Had TJW not already been here we would not likely have looked at him during our HC search. It's rare that position coaches are looked upon as head coaches at this level. The typical move would be from position coach at a big school, such as G.A. Mangus the QB coach at South Carolina who's developed Conner Shaw, whose next logical move would be to OC at another big school (or a head coach at a small Div 1AA school). Until you get your name mentioned by announcers as being responsible for success (example OC Morris at Clemson or DC Narduzzi at Mich St) you're just one of the many sideline guys wearing school colors. Of course coaching is in many ways a fraternity and word spreads among the profession about budding talent.
 
if the team plays hard, executes and is fun to watch, I'll be happy

I'm thinking winning comes with all of that stuff

PP's teams were simply hard to watch, these kids can be so much better
 
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Nostical said:
Had TJW not already been here we would not likely have looked at him during our HC search.
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This is probably true, but he has experience as an OC, putting together a top 25 offense at Western Kentucky which can't be easy, and as a recruiting coordinator, which we can all probably agree are two of the most desirable attributes in our next HC. If he can pull a win-less team up and win 4-5 games I say we give him a shot. I think continuity is a good thing for the program.
 
Don't misunderstand me Matt. While he may not have gotten a look had he still been at Cincy or had gone to TN with Butch, now that he's here I hope he's the real deal--Jim Calhoun succeeding Perno. He definitely deserves a chance to be in the mix. It's in his (and a freshman QB's) hands. I'm rooting for both of them.
 
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