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I don't want him, but he wouldn't come here anyway. To the best of my knowledge, we don't have a helicopter.
 
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I started to sweat when I mentioned Tom O'Brien in a previous thread. Looks like I might be in the clear now. :)
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Tom O'Brien? Rough start on the Boneyard.
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Ya know...when I read the recommendation about TOB, I quickly discarded the idea and moved on. I mean seriously....we just got rid of an older coach on the decline who was fired from his previous job and we are going to bring in another fossil? Not gonna happen.

But..it made me think about Jeff Jagodzinski. Remember the big splash he made at BC after TOB left? He was a good recruiter...ran an interesting offense and was the darling of the head coaching world. So I did a wiki look up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jagodzinski

What an odd career. We all know what happened at BC..getting fired after interviewing for a job with the Jets. You probably know that he was fired as OC in training camp by the Bucs in 2009 before the season started (because he couldn't communicate plays in a timely manner?)...but in January 2011, he was replaced as head coach of UFL team Omaha Nighthawks...after one season..by the CEO from TD Ameritrade, Joe Moglia? Then he was the wide receivers coach at Ave Maria University? What is that?

Now he is the OC at Georgia State University. No idea how he is doing...nor am I saying UConn should look at him...just thought his career path was interesting.
 
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Buffett10 said:
Greg Schiano, I know he is like public enemy #1. I just read a story that hes probably getting fired from the Bucs and he would definetly be open to coming back to college. What the guy did for Rutgers was pretty damn good. He took a terrible team and started recruiting the hell out of Rutgers. Brought them in great class after great class. He develops players. I Would be all for it. If he loses hiss jack ass ways of trying to hurt people or just being the he is. But the guy can recruit and he can definetly coach on the college level. The article I read made it seem like he would definetly love to come back to the Northeast to. Or how about Eric "Mangenius" Mangini?
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Well, we'd clean up in New England. We may think that Schiano can't develop his recruits, but Belichick's fondness for Schiano's players has given him just the opposite reputation in the region except among UConn fans. Add in a proven track record in recruiting NJ and the Central Atlantic region plus some success in Florida and I might be willing to overlook a few bonehead in-game decisions. We'd also have to get a strong quarterback coach because growing signal callers has been one of Schiano's biggest developmental shortcomings.
 
Buffett10 said:
Greg Schiano, I know he is like public enemy #1. I just read a story that hes probably getting fired from the Bucs and he would definetly be open to coming back to college. What the guy did for Rutgers was pretty damn good. He took a terrible team and started recruiting the hell out of Rutgers. Brought them in great class after great class. He develops players. I Would be all for it. If he loses hiss jack ass ways of trying to hurt people or just being the he is. But the guy can recruit and he can definetly coach on the college level. The article I read made it seem like he would definetly love to come back to the Northeast to. Or how about Eric "Mangenius" Mangini?
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Since being fired by the Jets and later, the Browns, the overwhelming indication is that his players absolutely despised the man. He's obviously smart (Trinity, I think), but losing games and being hated by your players are two negatives for me. Guys like Lombardi and other martinets were tolerated because they won.

Make no mistake, it's going to be hard to find the correct mix of skills. "X" and "O" guys are a dime a dozen. So are technique teachers. Our guy has to be equal parts coach, teacher, pied piper and dream seller. He has to make players, recruits and fans believe. He has to sell the dream while winning with an exciting team. We need a first year, at Cincy, Brian Kelly. He went to every function, talked to every group and, most famously, jumped all over the Cincy media for not sending representatives to the BE meetings in Newport. He got the players he needed and he won. He was more than a coach. He was a one-man PR department that created excitement for his program.

Now, WM. Find and hire a Brian Kelly clone.
 
babysheep said:
Ray Rice built RU's program...not Schiano
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Not being a wise or a fan of Schiano but did he not recruit and coach Ray Rice? One player does not build a program. The word program is a world larger than any one player regardless of their ability.
This is like saying Ray and Rebecca built our basketball programs....One would have to think Jim and Geno had something to do with it...
Just say'n...
 
Woof 101 said:
Not being a wise or a fan of Schiano but did he not recruit and coach Ray Rice? One player does not build a program. The word program is a world larger than any one player regardless of their ability.
This is like saying Ray and Rebecca built our basketball programs....One would have to think Jim and Geno had something to do with it...
Just say'n...
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Okay let's use a basketball analogy. Let's say that until 2011, UConn basketball had never made it out of the first round of the tournament. Then along comes a player like Kemba, being the stand-alone star and leader, and carries the team to a Final Four (don't even need a ship, just look at VCU). This leads to a spike in program popularity, better recruits start showing up, JC has way more to work with, and moderate success turns in to a trend. Kemba goes on to the NBA and wins a ring in his first 5 seasons as a key component in said run. Ultimately, the improved basketball profile makes UConn attractive enough to get an invite to a power conference, hidden $$$ motives aside. After a decade of service, JC moves on to the NBA and turns out to be a dud.

How would you slice that "built a program" pie?
 
babysheep said:
Okay let's use a basketball analogy. Let's say that until 2011, UConn basketball had never made it out of the first round of the tournament. Then along comes a player like Kemba, being the stand-alone star and leader, and carries the team to a Final Four (don't even need a ship, just look at VCU). This leads to a spike in program popularity, better recruits start showing up, JC has way more to work with, and moderate success turns in to a trend. Kemba goes on to the NBA and wins a ring in his first 5 seasons as a key component in said run. Ultimately, the improved basketball profile makes UConn attractive enough to get an invite to a power conference, hidden $ motives aside. After a decade of service, JC moves on to the NBA and turns out to be a dud.

How would you slice that "built a program" pie?
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Not at all what happened at RU, but everyone has a theory. What Schiano did there was a near miracle. The true irony is that your argument suggests RU would not be RU without P. Had he not gotten fired, Ray would have stayed committed to Cuse.
 
Woof 101 said:
Not being a wise or a fan of Schiano but did he not recruit and coach Ray Rice? One player does not build a program. The word program is a world larger than any one player regardless of their ability.
This is like saying Ray and Rebecca built our basketball programs....One would have to think Jim and Geno had something to do with it...
Just say'n...
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Ray Rice fell into his hands, ironically, because PP was fired at Cuse.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
Ya know...when I read the recommendation about TOB, I quickly discarded the idea and moved on. I mean seriously....we just got rid of an older coach on the decline who was fired from his previous job and we are going to bring in another fossil? Not gonna happen.

But..it made me think about Jeff Jagodzinski. Remember the big splash he made at BC after TOB left? He was a good recruiter...ran an interesting offense and was the darling of the head coaching world. So I did a wiki look up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Jagodzinski

What an odd career. We all know what happened at BC..getting fired after interviewing for a job with the Jets. You probably know that he was fired as OC in training camp by the Bucs in 2009 before the season started (because he couldn't communicate plays in a timely manner?)...but in January 2011, he was replaced as head coach of UFL team Omaha Nighthawks...after one season..by the CEO from TD Ameritrade, Joe Moglia? Then he was the wide receivers coach at Ave Maria University? What is that?

Now he is the OC at Georgia State University. No idea how he is doing...nor am I saying UConn should look at him...just thought his career path was interesting.
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Jagodzinski would be a wonderful hire. He LOVES to recruit and has no issues pounding the pavement. Jagodzinksi is a stand up a guy, a family man, and ha a high standards for his player. Jagodzinksi preaches morals and values. He backs it up with his behavior off the field and is a role model. He's hands on with his assistant coaches and is not just a figure head like some of these other Head Coaches. High School coaches love Jagodzinski and I know many HC's in Connecticut that believed he could lead Boston College to consistent Top 10 ranking year in and year out.
 
UConnTim said:
Jagodzinski would be a wonderful hire. He LOVES to recruit and has no issues pounding the pavement. Jagodzinksi is a stand up a guy, a family man, and ha a high standards for his player. Jagodzinksi preaches morals and values. He backs it up with his behavior off the field and is a role model. He's hands on with his assistant coaches and is not just a figure head like some of these other Head Coaches. High School coaches love Jagodzinski and I know many HC's in Connecticut that believed he could lead Boston College to consistent Top 10 ranking year in and year out.
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I've heard some of the same but one has to wonder why he fell so far out of consideration for everything that came up after he got whacked from BC and Tampa Bay.
 
I don't know. The rumor out of Tampa was that he was purposefully out to sabotage Raheem Morris. Couple that with how he went on that interview during year one, and you have some red flags that would lead me to stay away from the guy. You don't go from the NFL to Ave Maria College based on what uconntim wrote. Is uconntim jags himself?
 
huskypantz said:
Schiano did a few things VERY well:

  1. [ ]Transformed a culture of losing
    [ ]Energized a fanbase
    [ ]Brought in great recruits
We need all of those things. Did we question his playcalling? Yes. Noone thought he was a master X and O's guy. However, I never felt like Rutgers put out a product that did not highlight their most talented players. He also ran a clean program that got it done in the classroom. And let's be honest, he's the reason they're in the B1G. Without his success, no 50k+ seat stadium. No fanbase traveling to road games and bowl games. No ratings. I know the media market was the key, but the B1G couldn't have brought in a horrible football product that was averaging 25k+ at home games.
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Come on! In which one of those above named aspects does UConn need to get better at? Really, a holier than thou attitude at this point is appropriate if there ever was a time! NOT.
 
I think it's gonna be a moot point anyway. I have a hard time thinking Schiano will get fired at Tampa just yet. He's gonna have the opportunity to succeed with "his" qb, Mike Glennon. And not just for 13 games, more like for 29+ games.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Mike, I agree with you as well here. As was said previously, Rutgers had a fair amount of wtf losses, but at their peak, they reached higher highs than UCONN. Which I think speaks to some underachieving but also highlights the fact that they did have top shelf talent throughout the years.
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Um what BCS bowl did Rutgers play in... I must have missed that game.
 
No,no and no....this program needs something new and fresh. Plus he is one of the only guys that would make me dispise this whole program if we start losing with him.
 
IMind said:
Um what BCS bowl did Rutgers play in... I must have missed that game.
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We deserved that Fiesta Bowl and I refuse to apologize for playing in a game we earned.

The simple rebuttal to that is when did we ever finished ranked?

Rutgers and UConn football are way more similar than either fan base can bring themselves to admit. We both have had some success (UConn 2 BE Titles / Rutgers 1 BE Title, final ranking of 12), we've both had some awful seasons and unfortunately they've beat us head to head a lot.

For whatever reason, Rutgers has always had more hype around the program, possibly due to Schiano, proximity to NYC, style of play, whereas at UConn we've just been a consistent, hard nose program.

None of that changes the fact they were invited to BIG because of their states population, but ifwe hire the guy that took them to this perception I think it better positions UConn to succeed and get out of the AAC.

Or people can be closed minded CT idiots and simply say Rutgers sucks, NJ smells LOL!
 
Let's not forget that Schiano's recruiting was greatly aided by the fact that his school resided in a fertile recruiting ground.
 
Schiano is done in Tampa unless Glennon turns into Tom Brady yesterday. The team is in damn near full revolt mode and the stadium is damn near empty. Hey Bellichek flopped big his first NFL Gig as well, so I wouldn't hold this failure against him. I think Edsall would be a better NFL coach than Schiano.
 
noeynox said:
Schiano is done in Tampa unless Glennon turns into Tom Brady yesterday. The team is in damn near full revolt mode and the stadium is damn near empty. Hey Bellichek flopped big his first NFL Gig as well, so I wouldn't hold this failure against him. I think Edsall would be a better NFL coach than Schiano.
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“@Deadspin: Greg Schiano really is as big an (blocked word) as you imagine him to be: http://deadsp.in/HVAKsCM”
 
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noeynox said:
Schiano is done in Tampa unless Glennon turns into Tom Brady yesterday. The team is in damn near full revolt mode and the stadium is damn near empty. Hey Bellichek flopped big his first NFL Gig as well, so I wouldn't hold this failure against him. I think Edsall would be a better NFL coach than Schiano.
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Schiano is going to crash so hard he might not ever get another head coaching job. Everyone here saw this coming when he got hired, even RutgersAl was probably wondering what the heck TB was thinking. Rutgers has certainly improved without him, which many here called as well.
 
noeynox said:
Link doesn't work.
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Ah - even the link as the blocked word. In essence:

>>The sun came up today, and that means that the garbage fire that is the 2013 Tampa Bay Buccaneers got even hotter and more garbage-y. What's new today? Allow The MMQB's Andrew Brandt to tell you about "Schiano Men."

In speaking with agents of several Bucs players recently, I have sensed a common theme: There is an atmosphere of fear and distrust under the current regime in Tampa. Players have told their agents about coaches roaming through the locker room (typically the players’ sanctuary away from coaches) and staff videotaping players on the sidelines during losses to single out players laughing or horsing around. The players also speak to the influx of multiple Rutgers players from Schiano’s past and the use of the phrase “Schiano Men,” a term that clearly does not apply to Freeman.<<
 
Thanks. Went to deadspin and read it. baggage!!!! Now watch him end up our coach. Please not, Lord please.
 
You really can't compare FBS/NFL experience as a predictor of success in one or the other.

Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino etc. are all guys that did poorly in the NFL but have won BCS Games at the college level.

Does Schiano have even half the resume these guys do? No.

Just consider he was taking over Rutgers and not Bama, USC, Florida and to a way lesserr extent, but even Louisville.

The one thing that separates Schiano from the other potential candidates is that he has taken a rebuilding job, at a comparable school and turned it around.

If it's that or a MAC coach I'm taking the guy with Big East and NFL experience. And before you say that's Coach P too, the difference between the two situations has parallels by couldn't be more different.
 
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