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Here We Go Folks - The Latest ESPN "Charlie Creme Bracketology as of March 6, 2023

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Top Seeded Moron. Stanford, Indiana, LSU, Maryland and Utah among others lost in their conference tournaments and it meant nothing. If that happened to UCONN he would drop them to a 5.
 
It's pick-on-Charlie-day today. Or is that every day?

I didn't realize that Charlie picked Villanova to win the Big East tournament. Not an outrageous pick, considering how UConn ended the regular season and how good Maddie Seigrist is. However, it should be noted that after UConn defeated Villanova for the second time on February 18, Charlie claimed he was right (all along) and the Committee was wrong for including Villanova in the top 16. Creme said this:

I was skeptical of the committee’s decision to put Villanova in the top-16. Then I came around & thought the Cats would win today. This shooting performance makes me think I was right all along. Time to recover but this is far too many missed open shots.

He then picked Villanova to win the BET. UConn seems to occupy a part of his head for some reason.
 
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He's writing for ESPN, about a team and a league that play on Fox and CBS. A women's team coached by a dinosaur old white guy. Throw in the general wcbb fatigue with UConns 25+ years of dominance, and dogging us is the easiest money he's ever made.
 
In 1997, Tennesse was a 3 seed with 10 losses..we all know how that turned out. However, under no circumstance do I think LSU has earned a 2, and probably not a 3. Without Miles, it’s difficult to say where ND fits, too. I’m kind of glad I’m not on the committe.
 
I don’t know why people are concerned or care about where Creme think UConn should be seeded. He is not one of the committees. I, however, am concerned that some of the people in the committee are too lazy to do their homework and rely on his bracketogoly when seeding teams.
 
I'm not seeing how UCONN is a 3 seed, but that's a pretty ideal bracket for the Huskies to get back to a Final Four. Avoids SC, Stanford and Indiana. Iowa is red hot but UCONN has already beat them this season, and Virginia Tech is the clear weakest #1.
 
Charlie usually does a pretty good job predicting the teams and their seedings in the tournament. This year he has a tougher job due to early upsets in the Conference Tournaments. I think its going to be tough for UConn to move up to a two seed due to their losses to St John's and Marquette. However, its possible that if UConn easily beats Nova, members of the committee may think that UConn is finally healthy and are now more deserving of a 2 Seed. However if staying at a #3 seed keeps them out of South Carolina's bracket, I'm all for that. If UConn gets moved up the a #2 seed, they'd likely be the 4th #2 Seed.

What I don"t like is he doesn't show UMASS making the tournament despite having a 26-6 Won/Loss Record. UMass lost to St Louis in the Championship game. There are other non power 5 schools with Great Season Records that won't make the tournament because P5 schools manipulate their Non Conference Schedule an then barely go 500 in their Conference Record.
 
Assuming UConn wins the big East Tournament (Yes they will) and keeps playing like the have the last 2 games, there won't be ANY team that gets stuck with UConn in their Bracket as a 2 or 3 seed that will be happy!
 
Mike72fl said:
I don’t know why people are concerned or care about where Creme think UConn should be seeded. He is not one of the committees. I, however, am concerned that some of the people in the committee are too lazy to do their homework and rely on his bracketogoly when seeding teams.
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My biggest concern, someone else mentioned on this board previously, and I can’t remember who it was? Is Charlie trying to be a “predictor” or an “influencer”? As you said, big concern is if someone on the committee doesn’t do their own homework. There should be no bias allowed when setting up the NCAA bracket.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Charlie usually does a pretty good job predicting the teams and their seedings in the tournament. This year he has a tougher job due to early upsets in the Conference Tournaments. I think its going to be tough for UConn to move up to a two seed due to their losses to St John's and Marquette. However, its possible that if UConn easily beats Nova, members of the committee may think that UConn is finally healthy and are now more deserving of a 2 Seed. However if staying at a #3 seed keeps them out of South Carolina's bracket, I'm all for that. If UConn gets moved up the a #2 seed, they'd likely be the 4th #2 Seed.

What I don"t like is he doesn't show UMASS making the tournament despite having a 26-6 Won/Loss Record. UMass lost to St Louis in the Championship game. There are other non power 5 schools with Great Season Records that won't make the tournament because P5 schools manipulate their Non Conference Schedule an then barely go 500 in their Conference Record.
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Move up to a two seed??? They WERE A two seed in the last committee reveal and haven't lost since then. They are more likley to move up to a one seed than move down to a three seed with their current resume.
 




Something about the way you taste
Makes me want to clear my throat
There's a message to your movements
That really gets my goat
I looked for silver linings
But you're rotten to the core
I've had just about all I can take
You know I can't take it no more

[Chorus]
I've got a gut feeling
I've got a gut feeling
I've got a gut feeling, feeling

(Ode To Charlie Creme)
 
bballnut90 said:
I'm not seeing how UCONN is a 3 seed, but that's a pretty ideal bracket for the Huskies to get back to a Final Four. Avoids SC, Stanford and Indiana. Iowa is red hot but UCONN has already beat them this season, and Virginia Tech is the clear weakest #1.
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Why would you want to avoid Stanford? All of their losses have come on the second game of a two game weekend. They are an ideal team to play in the elite eight as Stanford multiple days of prep and planning to prepare for their opponents due to never figuring out or cracking their own line-ups/rotations. JMO- I'd want to avoid Iowa, Maryland, Indiana and South Carolina to get to the FF for a mix of different reasons. I'm torn on Iowa because you never want to play a team with a player like Clark in the tournament because they can be deadly - on the flip side I think their defense opens them up to an early upset which would make the bracket they are in much easier.
 
Wait until he retires, and they replace him with...Deb Antonelli. lol I thought she was going to cry the other night when Mowens (sp) suggested that UCONN could be a 2 seed. There was silence and then her usual rant of...'get me on the committee'.
 
hoopsnloops32 said:
Why would you want to avoid Stanford? All of their losses have come on the second game of a two game weekend. They are an ideal team to play in the elite eight as Stanford multiple days of prep and planning to prepare for their opponents due to never figuring out or cracking their own line-ups/rotations. JMO- I'd want to avoid Iowa, Maryland, Indiana and South Carolina to get to the FF for a mix of different reasons. I'm torn on Iowa because you never want to play a team with a player like Clark in the tournament because they can be deadly - on the flip side I think their defense opens them up to an early upset which would make the bracket they are in much easier.
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They're easily the most physical team in women's basketball aside from South Carolina and when they're on, they're really good. Jones has a tendency to play well in the tournament, and Brink has become of the best 2 way bigs in the country. Plus they're battle tested, have won it all before and have a brilliant coach in Vanderveer who still is at the top of her game. They haven't played well as of late but their ceiling is higher than anyone's beside South Carolina.

Iowa is a mixed bag since they can really light it up but they are not a strong rebounding team and Czinano has struggled against quality bigs this year (Edwards/Holmes). Agree they could be prone to an early round upset, though I think they'll at least make the Sweet 16 this year. I think they'll come out laser focused in the 2nd round.

Maryland is another team that can score but doesn't have any size, plus UCONN gave them a heck of a game with most of their roster out. I think UCONN would relish a rematch vs them in the Sweet 16.
 
bballnut90 said:
They're easily the most physical team in women's basketball aside from South Carolina and when they're on, they're really good. Jones has a tendency to play well in the tournament, and Brink has become of the best 2 way bigs in the country. Plus they're battle tested, have won it all before and have a brilliant coach in Vanderveer who still is at the top of her game. They haven't played well as of late but their ceiling is higher than anyone's beside South Carolina.

Iowa is a mixed bag since they can really light it up but they are not a strong rebounding team and Czinano has struggled against quality bigs this year (Edwards/Holmes). Agree they could be prone to an early round upset, though I think they'll at least make the Sweet 16 this year. I think they'll come out laser focused in the 2nd round.

Maryland is another team that can score but doesn't have any size, plus UCONN gave them a heck of a game with most of their roster out. I think UCONN would relish a rematch vs them in the Sweet 16.
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I actually think Stanford's ceiling is the most limited of the three teams you mentioned because they never figured out a consistent rotation that works and built chemistry around it. On paper their ceiling should be quite high but every game Stanford is a different team, and not in a way that is conducive to winning the NCAA tournament. These are all good point but I don't think Stanford is capable of getting out of the Elite Eight this year and I think their round of 32 game will be a bigger challenge for them than their sweet sixteen game. We shall see if this proves to be right.

Maryland I tend to agree- the seem to lack size and also a true point guard as well. We lost to them without Nike, Dorka and Azzi correct? I wouldn't mind them as an Elite Eight match up but would want to avoid them in the sweet sixteen round.

Iowa I can see out at round 32 or the Sweet Sixteen or making the National Championship Game (and getting crushed by South Carolina). I don't love rematching against teams we've already beaten personally but adding Dorka could be helpful.
 
hookshot said:
Nobody should want to play Wash St. ; they are the team of destiny
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Perhaps, but it’s difficult to measure any of those PAC12 teams what with the number of upsets. At different times throughout, there was maybe five teams that could have won the conference tournament. I wonder if Oregon and Oregon State will ever get back in the picture?
 
LwrcasefaN said:
Wait until he retires, and they replace him with...Deb Antonelli. lol I thought she was going to cry the other night when Mowens (sp) suggested that UCONN could be a 2 seed. There was silence and then her usual rant of...'get me on the committee'.
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Antonelli keeps on campaigning to get on the selection committee, on the air, during a game. No class.
 
why are people so obsessed with being a 1 seed? Would u rather be a 1 seed in Seattle? Or be a 3 seed in Greenville and get Vtech and Utah?
 
bballnut90 said:
They're easily the most physical team in women's basketball aside from South Carolina and when they're on, they're really good. Jones has a tendency to play well in the tournament, and Brink has become of the best 2 way bigs in the country. Plus they're battle tested, have won it all before and have a brilliant coach in Vanderveer who still is at the top of her game. They haven't played well as of late but their ceiling is higher than anyone's beside South Carolina.

Iowa is a mixed bag since they can really light it up but they are not a strong rebounding team and Czinano has struggled against quality bigs this year (Edwards/Holmes). Agree they could be prone to an early round upset, though I think they'll at least make the Sweet 16 this year. I think they'll come out laser focused in the 2nd round.

Maryland is another team that can score but doesn't have any size, plus UCONN gave them a heck of a game with most of their roster out. I think UCONN would relish a rematch vs them in the Sweet 16.
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The way Betts is playing now, she seems to get far too few minutes. Betts and Brink are a powerfull tandem. Stanford seems to lack a killer instinct, and keeps the opposing team in the game
 
hoopsnloops32 said:
For me its this:

The committee's two reveals have had UConn as a 1 seed after our Marquette loss a and then as the 3rd 2 seed after our St Johns loss. Since then, we have improved drastically and every team above us (except South Carolina) as lost 1-2 more games, in a lot of cases to teams not in the top 16. Based on what the Committee has done and said, a win today would make UConn a likely 1 seed or at worst the highest 2 seed.
However, Creme's narrative and then all the ESPN commentators yesterday going on about how UConn isn't even in the discussion for a 1 seed at this point and have them firmly on the 3 seed line. Where this bugs me is that when the actual brackets come out 50% of the narrative is going to be around the shock and awe that UConn is seeded so highly and the unfairness of it all - like last year and the Bridgeport regional thing. To me, its completely intentional on ESPN's part to set themselves up for a UConn is overrated storyline for the whole tournament - and I personally don't want listen to it.
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Every year without fail, ESPN picks some kind of post-season theme - Geno’s “feud” with Pat/Muffet, Shoni Schimmel & Louisville and their “style of play” vs Baylor, the locker room at the women’s tournament…and show something they deem “controversial”, beating a stupid drum over and over and over until everyone has picked sides and fans are all yelling at each other.

I envision the ESPN’s manufacturing a controversy over UConn’s “surprisingly high” seed. Then the talking heads can drone on about the horror of it all and UConn, Stanford, South Carolina, and other fans will yell at each other online. Enormous interest will be generated and more eyeballs will be glued to their dopey broadcasts and more people get to hear Peck and Antonelli compete for the Most Useless Broadcaster Award

Just MHO
 
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