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Or maybe after UConn gets invited to the B1G
Here’s a bombshell
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I like this guy Zissou. He is well-informed and level-headed. A tribute to Nova athletics, although I’m not sure what a Zissou is.
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The penalties are massive - they would give up every penny of revenue as it pertains to their media rights until the GOR expires. (OU and Texas also have to pay an exit fee no matter when they leave - it‘s basically about $80M.)
Texas could probably pay any exit fee and be fine, but the other three schools have some budget issues.
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These are critical times for a President to be in place at UConn-- but we don’t yet have one. What we need is a President with both academic gravitas as well as an interest and hopefully an influential voice in athletics.
Scott Cowan, the now retired President of Tulane is a NJ native. He is 75 years young. In 1964 he was recruited by Lou Holtz to play football for UConn when Holtz was an assistant coach. After earning his degree from UConn in 1968, he went on to leadership positions at several universities.
He serves as trustee emeritus of Notre Dame! He is a former chairman of the Association of American Universities and is currently a member of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics.
His wife of 30 years passed away a few years ago. Whether or not he has any interest, it’s clear he has the experience--yes, the energy--and now potentially the time commitment needed to steer UConn, at least through its next few decisive years. I'm not sure if the BOD has a President ready to go but if they're still floundering, I’d make the call.
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Really? I thought Villanova made the decision not to upgrade to football. It’s a shame, because had they done so, in all likelihood the biggest remains intact in the C7 and the remaining big east teams all end up making more money.
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In 2010 the Big East had the BCS minimum 8 teams. UConn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, Cincy, USF, Ville. The Sept 2010 invite to Nova would have added stability to 9 had Nova accepted. Instead, Nova initiated its infamous “study the invite” process.
As Nova churned the invite, the Big East offered to TCU and TCU quickly accepted, at the time stepping up to the coveted BCS status. TCU made 9 football members, with Nova expected to be the tenth in early 2011.
"We are excited about the addition of TCU, as they bring a great deal of value to the Big East," Villanova AD Vince Nicastro said Monday. "However, our timeframe has not changed. We are continuing to move forward with our comprehensive evaluation of FBS level football, and are still targeting a decision by the spring of 2011."
Pitt had reportedly taken an outsized leadership role in the conference. It had taken the lead in rejecting the ESPN offer in the exclusive negotiating window, and also had secretly started talks with the ACC on membership.
In April 2011, Pitt led an opposition to Nova’s plan to use the MLS stadium (Pitt, WVU, and Rutgers objecting). That was the signal to Nova that the 6+ month old invite was now stale. TCU was already signed up, and we now have hindsight to see Pitt’s departure was likely in motion.
A few months later it was official Pitt was going to the ACC and Cuse was their flight partner. With Nova’s FBS ascension a failure, the Pitt and Cuse departures critically dropped the Big East to 7. WVU then followed to the exit dropping the conference to 6.
Would a responsive acceptance by Nova in Sept 2010 increased the stability to where Pitt would not have led a defection? Maybe, maybe not. Would the Big East at the minimum 8 after the Pitt/Cuse defection kept WVU in the fold? Maybe, maybe not. We’ll never know. Would the C7 have acted if Nova was in for football? Probably.
The split was probably inevitable when the mass invites went out after WVU left, and at some point a Tulane or ECU became a last straw. FS1 facilitated the C7 action.
It all worked out, somewhat miraculously, for Nova with titles in ‘16 and ‘18. FS1 brought stability to a new Big East. Creighton, X, and Butler were great adds. Keeping the name and the MSG tournament kept a sense of history to the conference and the MSG tournament continued to sell out with high energy contests. The Big East magic continued.
Nova football paid a price as it continues to languish at FCS, but very few really care when it’s in the shadow of so much hoops success. Nova’s legendary FCS coach won his national championship in 2009 but failed to see his FBS ascension dreams realized.
After Pitt led the rejection of the ESPN contract, the rejection of Nova to FBS, and the defection to the ACC, has it worked out for Pitt? They do have more money, but I wouldn’t be happy if I was a Pitt fan
Did Pitt conspire with ESPN to try to kill the Big East? The extent we will probably never know.
ESPN produced Requiem for the Big East as the Big East continued, flourished in its new configuration, and sent Nova forward to win a few titles. Was it Karma that sent ESPN into a financial crisis that gutted its operations and professional staff? Was it Karma that has sent Pitt, Cuse, BC, and WVU into oblivion?
As a Nova fan I have zero interest in an ACC / ESPN invite. We don’t need you. The Big East is a better basketball conference for the schools, the athletes, and the fans. Just ask Cuse and Pitt basketball fans.
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havent heard it suggested that ND should join the B1G as a partial member like they are of the ACC. as in join for all sports except football but have a football scheduling agreement?
seems like a win-win. they maintain their semi-independence and substantially increase their conference affiliation payout, and the B1G gets ~6 conference games in exchange for ~25% of a revenue share. who says no?
this of course assumes they have to forfeit their olympic sports media revenue until 2036 or whenever due to the ACC GOR.
seems like a win-win. they maintain their semi-independence and substantially increase their conference affiliation payout, and the B1G gets ~6 conference games in exchange for ~25% of a revenue share. who says no?
this of course assumes they have to forfeit their olympic sports media revenue until 2036 or whenever due to the ACC GOR.
Both the Big Ten & Notre Dame. 25% of a revenue share for 6 games isn't moving the needle for the Big Ten. Notre Dame isn't buying out to the tune of $120M (that's just the exit fees for the ACC right, now at 3x the conference operating cost) to get the same arrangement they have now, with rights fees that would take a long time to recoup. For the Big Ten, Notre Dame's name appeal comes from football. The olympic sports brings little to no added value for them to deal with the headache (at least not without a clear timeframe that says Notre Dame will join in football in year XX).
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Former this, emeritus that he's 75. No way any business would put him in the President's position
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Exactly my point.
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Oh , please tell us more about ancient history. Thank you for your interest in UConn basketball
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Well history WAS the discussion with hurleyman, so, yeah.
Nova had a more prominent history pre-Jay than UConn had pre-JC.
JC put UConn on the national stage in the 1990s and then became an all time great with his collection of titles.
Nova had already reached the highest levels, including a title game against Wooden’s UCLA and Rollie’s title in 1985. Jay took Nova to another level, but Nova had a title and 3 Final Fours prior to Jay.
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Lol such a bad comment about a good poster who was asked to comment
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Probably would have happened anyway but screw the ACC frauds.
The ACC doled out $35 million to $38 million per school in fiscal 2021 and that won’t change much over the next 14 years. The SEC and Big Ten, meanwhile, are projected to hit $100 million per school later this decade.
Exactly how long can you remain competitive when someone is doubling or tripling your revenue?
Maybe the only option for Phillips is to beg for mercy and harken back to a sepia-toned vision of what college athletics supposedly used to be. Student-athletes. Local competition. Shared values. All for one and one for all.
Except the ACC all but started this expansion craze two decades ago when it raided the old Big East for Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech. Ten years later it finished the conference off by adding Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse.
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The ACC doled out $35 million to $38 million per school in fiscal 2021 and that won’t change much over the next 14 years. The SEC and Big Ten, meanwhile, are projected to hit $100 million per school later this decade.
Exactly how long can you remain competitive when someone is doubling or tripling your revenue?
Maybe the only option for Phillips is to beg for mercy and harken back to a sepia-toned vision of what college athletics supposedly used to be. Student-athletes. Local competition. Shared values. All for one and one for all.
Except the ACC all but started this expansion craze two decades ago when it raided the old Big East for Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech. Ten years later it finished the conference off by adding Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse.
Amid backstabbing and shaky college football reality, ACC commish Jim Phillips just wants everyone to get along
While the college football landscape shifts drastically in real time, Jim Phillips is pleading for everybody to think of the common good.
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You reap what you sow.Probably would have happened anyway but screw the ACC frauds.
The ACC doled out $35 million to $38 million per school in fiscal 2021 and that won’t change much over the next 14 years. The SEC and Big Ten, meanwhile, are projected to hit $100 million per school later this decade.
Exactly how long can you remain competitive when someone is doubling or tripling your revenue?
Maybe the only option for Phillips is to beg for mercy and harken back to a sepia-toned vision of what college athletics supposedly used to be. Student-athletes. Local competition. Shared values. All for one and one for all.
Except the ACC all but started this expansion craze two decades ago when it raided the old Big East for Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech. Ten years later it finished the conference off by adding Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse.
Amid backstabbing and shaky college football reality, ACC commish Jim Phillips just wants everyone to get along
While the college football landscape shifts drastically in real time, Jim Phillips is pleading for everybody to think of the common good.
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what goes around...gonna enjoy watching the snake-bit acc limp along for the next 15 years or however long their GOR lasts after which i hope clemson joins the sec and unc joins the big16. they lose their best football and bball programs and duke gets a rude awakening all in one foul swoop.
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Mandel: TV numbers show Pac-12 might be healthier than we think (for now)
Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.
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interesting article about the PAC10 v. Big12 and how even without USC/UCLA the PAC dominates the latter in terms of ratings. to put it into perspective, ASU is the 3rd lowest rated PAC team but still outdraws WVU, which is the 3rd highest rated Big12 team. thanks in large part to PAC after dark the conference is still hopeful for a deal w/ espn worth around 30-35 million per school annually which is almost what the ACC is getting.
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Unless the B1G grabs the two remaining California teams . That takes out a huge part of that market. The PAC without California is a head and legs without a body.Mandel: TV numbers show Pac-12 might be healthier than we think (for now)
Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.
interesting article about the PAC10 v. Big12 and how even without USC/UCLA the PAC dominates the latter in terms of ratings. to put it things into perspective, ASU is the 3rd lowest rated PAC team but still outdraws WVU, which is the 3rd highest rated Big12 team. thanks in large part to PAC after dark the conference is still hopeful for a deal w/ espn worth around 30-35 million per school annually which is almost what the ACC is getting.
I don’t think they survive that blow
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the same thing can be said about oregon and washington joining the big10 but they havent been invited and i dont think there is a reason for further realignment until the ACC GOR ends/dissolves. in the meantime ND is the only domino that could fall.
I agree it would be a massive blow but if the B1G wanted the other 2 Cali schools they would have grabbed them now with USC/UCLA.
If/when they got to 20+ schools those 2 might be a B1G target but, they aren't close to the top of the list. The B1G may even prefer Oregon & Washington over them to partner w USC/UCLA
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Mandel: TV numbers show Pac-12 might be healthier than we think (for now)
Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.
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Great article -- really provides some great data to backup why the Pac-12 teams "appear" to be sticking together (quotes because of course this could change at a given moment).
Curious if B12 gets creative and puts on some games at 10:30pm ET with BYU home to compete with P12 after dark (would be an 8:30pm local start in Provo). Maybe when Kansas comes they'll do it judging by the ratings of the Jayhawks...
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I think the Big 10 is waiting on Notre Dame to make a decision, but that decision could be years away. Also, I think the Big 10 would like some of the ACC teams, but that doesn't seem to be on the table for another 10 years. Thus, I think the Big 10 is OK with the schools they have right now and are in no hurry to add other Pac 12 teams. That said, I think there will be a Western pod for the Big 10 as it makes no sense for USC and UCLA to be the only schools on the West coast. Personally, I think Stanford is at the top of the list and Cal is probably 2nd.
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Helps to have more people in Phoenix than in West VirginiaMandel: TV numbers show Pac-12 might be healthier than we think (for now)
Television numbers indicate the Pac-12 isn't necessarily in a weaker position than the Big 12.
interesting article about the PAC10 v. Big12 and how even without USC/UCLA the PAC dominates the latter in terms of ratings. to put it into perspective, ASU is the 3rd lowest rated PAC team but still outdraws WVU, which is the 3rd highest rated Big12 team. thanks in large part to PAC after dark the conference is still hopeful for a deal w/ espn worth around 30-35 million per school annually which is almost what the ACC is getting.
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What happened to college football in the Northeast?
The story of college football can't be told without the Northeast, but it's been less than impressive in recent memory. Can it find a way to succeed again?
CONNECTICUT GOVERNOR NED LAMONT wanted to spend a few minutes engaging with voters on Twitter earlier this summer, so he started a Q&A with the hashtag #AskNedAnything.
Question: Will UConn join a Power 5 conference?
For anyone who doesn't need to woo voters in the state, the answer seems obvious. In the playoff era, UConn is a woeful 21-76. The Huskies have exactly one win vs. an FBS opponent since 2017 (vs. equally awful UMass), and they last beat a Power 5 team nearly six years ago.
Lamont was undaunted. The replies were predictably hilarious. The UConn jokes mostly write themselves.
Since the program's high-water mark in 2010, when it won the Big East and played in the Fiesta Bowl, the Huskies have been a national laughingstock, and after canceling their entire 2020 campaign amid the COVID-19 pandemic, they withdrew from the American Athletic Conference and opted for independence, just so their basketball programs could have a better home in the reconstituted Big East.
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