OT: Henry Ruggs

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Twice the speed limit and twice the BAC limit. Jesus

 

[J187Money]

I've done some track days and that kind of speed is scary on a track. I couldn't imagine doing that in town. Even sober, on a closed course, with a helmet. He deserves real time for that. What a waste.

 

[LoboDays]

He deserves what he is going to get. And jail isn’t the best place for a “wide receiver.”

It’s even worse for a tight end.

 

[Peacefrog]

It’s even worse for a tight end.

At least he didn’t play for the Packers or the Oilers.

 

[UConnJim]

that's not how it works.
The faster you go, the more opposition there is from the wind and from the down force to keep the car stable.

This site gives it 8.2 from 0-100 and 31.2 seconds to get to 150. All of which are ridiculously fast for any production car.

Chevrolet Corvette Z51 C6 0-60, quarter mile, acceleration times - AccelerationTimes.com

Chevrolet Corvette Z51 C6 0-60 mph, quarter mile (1/4 mile), top speed, 0-100 kph and 73 other acceleration times

accelerationtimes.com

Motor Trend has it at 7.1 seconds. Depends on the model I guess.

C8 Faster to 100 MPH By 1.6 Seconds Compared to C7 GS - MidEngineCorvetteForum.com

 

[Get a Job]

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think some of you should imagine this was your son before commenting. And spare me the "what about if it was your daughter?" retort. I've thought about it from both perspectives, and my heart breaks for everyone involved.

 

[HooperScooper]

Twice the speed limit and twice the BAC limit. Jesus

Probably three times the speed limit. Friend of mine lives in LV and said it happened on a road like the Berlin Turnpike. 2 lanes on each side, retail, lots of lights.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Life imitating art. Almost.

 

[Woof 101]

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think some of you should imagine this was your son before commenting. And spare me the "what about if it was your daughter?" retort. I've thought about it from both perspectives, and my heart breaks for everyone involved.

How your heart breaks for the killer as much as the deceased is hard to comprehend. No personal attack, I simply cannot relate to the rationale of such thinking.
A young innocent woman had her life taken by a also young out of control college educated professional. High paid athlete on a drunk mission of thrill also that could have killed him and his girl friend. They were the lucky ones.
Compassion for the victim and her family 100%, for the accused party not a bit.

 

[NJHusky]

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think some of you should imagine this was your son before commenting. And spare me the "what about if it was your daughter?" retort. I've thought about it from both perspectives, and my heart breaks for everyone involved.

Really…this poor woman burned to death according to report.
“Bystanders heard Tintor screaming in the fireball” and you have sympathy for a guy driving 156 @ .16 BAC??

 

[Get a Job]

How your heart breaks for the killer as much as the deceased is hard to comprehend. No personal attack, I simply cannot relate to the rationale of such thinking.
A young innocent woman had her life taken by a also young out of control college educated professional. High paid athlete on a drunk mission of thrill also that could have killed him and his girl friend. They were the lucky ones.
Compassion for the victim and her family 100%, for the accused party not a bit.

Really…this poor woman burned to death according to report.
“Bystanders heard Tintor screaming in the fireball” and you have sympathy for a guy driving 156 @ .16 BAC??

I can understand the anger and the difficulty to forgive the "killer". He behaved in a horrifically irresponsible way that resulted in the tragic death of another person. I just think it's intellectually lazy to wash your hands of the matter by saying, "Poor girl. Hope the driver rots in prison." Why wouldn't you want him to be held accountable for his actions (prison time, money, etc.), and then come out on the other side of this a changed person? I suspect many of you would say, "Oh, I do want that, but we all know it's not going to happen." Would you say that if this was your son?

I hope Henry Ruggs is in anguish over what happened, not because I wish him ill, but because it would indicate he is an empathetic person who feels remorse for his actions. But even though I "hope" he is in anguish, I still feel heartbroken for him and his situation. I can hear a lot of you screaming, "Forget his anguish! There is a dead girl and a grieving family!" I feel just as heartbroken for her and her loved ones as you do. I just feel compelled to encourage compassion for the other party as well, because I have not seen anyone else do it.

This forum has a newly-minted champion in Maurice Clarett. When he went through his troubles, there were a lot of privileged, ignorant, intellectually lazy people who knew nothing about him personally who said, "I hope this guy rots in jail." Luckily he did not rot in jail, and he is now out there helping to prevent Maurice Clarett and Henry Ruggs scenarios from occurring. I am pretty sure he would agree with my take on this. Also, there is a fictional character, whom a lot of you think was real, whose morals are held in the highest regard by a lot of you (and me for that matter). I guaran-god-damn-tee you he would agree with my take as well.

And you people gleefully fantasizing about Henry Ruggs being sexually assaulted: grow up.

 

[husky429]

I can understand the anger and the difficulty to forgive the "killer". He behaved in a horrifically irresponsible way that resulted in the tragic death of another person. I just think it's intellectually lazy to wash your hands of the matter by saying, "Poor girl. Hope the driver rots in prison." Why wouldn't you want him to be held accountable for his actions (prison time, money, etc.), and then come out on the other side of this a changed person? I suspect many of you would say, "Oh, I do want that, but we all know it's not going to happen." Would you say that if this was your son?

I hope Henry Ruggs is in anguish over what happened, not because I wish him ill, but because it would indicate he is an empathetic person who feels remorse for his actions. But even though I "hope" he is in anguish, I still feel heartbroken for him and his situation. I can hear a lot of you screaming, "Forget his anguish! There is a dead girl and a grieving family!" I feel just as heartbroken for her and her loved ones as you do. I just feel compelled to encourage compassion for the other party as well, because I have not seen anyone else do it.

This forum has a newly-minted champion in Maurice Clarett. When he went through his troubles, there were a lot of privileged, ignorant, intellectually lazy people who knew nothing about him personally who said, "I hope this guy rots in jail." Luckily he did not rot in jail, and he is now out there helping to prevent Maurice Clarett and Henry Ruggs scenarios from occurring. I am pretty sure he would agree with my take on this. Also, there is a fictional character, whom a lot of you think was real, whose morals are held in the highest regard by a lot of you (and me for that matter). I guaran-god-damn-tee you he would agree with my take as well.

And you people gleefully fantasizing about Henry Ruggs being sexually assaulted: grow up.

I think the issue people are taking is what I have highlighted. Totally fair to hope the guy turns his life around etc. etc., but feeling bad for him is odd. I don't feel bad for him--I don't think anyone should. He made abysmal decisions and killed someone. What is there to feel bad about? What is there to feel heartbroken about FOR him? You feel heartbroken for victims. There's only 1 victim here.

I didn't feel bad for my siblings when they went away for being an accomplice to murder, federal gun charges, or distributing narcotics either. There are consequences for our actions.

Also re: the first thing I highlighted... our justice system isn't intended to rehabilitate anyone. Get that out of your head. That's a pretty persistent myth and lie politicians tell on TV to look better.. If anything it's designed to promote recidivism--particularly with the parole system. What is it, 1/3 people are in prison for parole violations like missing a meeting or leaving the state?

 

[McLovin]

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think some of you should imagine this was your son before commenting. And spare me the "what about if it was your daughter?" retort. I've thought about it from both perspectives, and my heart breaks for everyone involved.

It is sad for everyone involved, including Ruggs side since he now has a 2 year old daughter who will grow up without a father. And obviously even worse for the young woman and her family that lost her forever.

But if this was my son I would be fine if the judge threw the book at him for something like this. This isn’t just an “accident” like the tragic Jim Beohiem situation a few years back (where he was sober btw). This was reckless on a whole other level. I’d be so embarrassed and would have a hard time forgiving them, ever. Swap in any other non-hypothetical family member (I don’t have kids) and I’d feel the same if this was them.

I’ve known too many people who have died in drunk driving crashes or killed someone driving drunk for me to have any sympathy for someone who does it.

 

[Get a Job]

I think the issue people are taking is what I have highlighted. Totally fair to hope the guy turns his life around etc. etc., but feeling bad for him is odd. I don't feel bad for him--I don't think anyone should. He made abysmal decisions and killed someone. What is there to feel bad about? What is there to feel heartbroken about FOR him? You feel heartbroken for victims. There's only 1 victim here.

I didn't feel bad for my siblings when they went away for being an accomplice to murder, federal gun charges, or distributing narcotics either. There are consequences for our actions.

Also re: the first thing I highlighted... our justice system isn't intended to rehabilitate anyone. Get that out of your head. That's a pretty persistent myth and lie politicians tell on TV to look better.. If anything it's designed to promote recidivism--particularly with the parole system. What is it, 1/3 people are in prison for parole violations like missing a meeting or leaving the state?

Like I said, I feel bad for anyone who is in anguish. Not much more to it than that.

I completely agree with your thoughts on the "criminal justice" system.

 

[husky429]

Like I said, I feel bad for anyone who is in anguish. Not much more to it than that.

How far does that extend though? Idi Amin was in anguish before he was captured and hanged. My sister was in anguish after she got high after school with her friends and killed a taxi driver.

Do we feel bad for everyone that is in anguish, even though their anguish is the result of cruelty or stupidity?

No personal grudge here... I'm generally just curious where you draw the line. My line is pretty firm: unless it was truly an accident (like the Jim Boeheim example someone mentioned above), then I don't feel bad for you. I don't think anyone should "rot" forever, but you aren't getting my sympathy.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I’d be so embarrassed and would have a hard time forgiving them, ever. Swap in any other non-hypothetical family member (I don’t have kids) and I’d feel the same if this was them.

This is not anything personal about you but I suspect you might feel differently if you did have a kid and they did _____ up and do something horrible. I suppose there are parents in this situation who would wash their hands of their kid if they did something like this, but I couldn't see myself being one of them. Would I expect him to deal with the consequences of his actions? Absolutely.

 

[J187Money]

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think some of you should imagine this was your son before commenting. And spare me the "what about if it was your daughter?" retort. I've thought about it from both perspectives, and my heart breaks for everyone involved.

Every time something like this happens (or like when the 2 kids from Colchester died a couple of weeks ago for the same stupidity) - I have very specific conversations with my sons about their choices and their behavior. And I let them know that if they do stuff like that don't come to me to bail them out. There are accidents and there is being actively stupid. They probably roll their eyes when I'm done talking to them but there are certain things that can't be undone.

 

[Mdoggie]

Irrelevant to the tragedy, but it was a nice touch for him to have a loaded gun in the car. Seems like a real high-character guy.

Also: he killed the woman's dog, too.

John Wick is pissed!

 

[HuskyCLT]

"Feeling bad for someone" like you're giving them some kind of free pass is different than having compassion. Ruggs' actions were reprehensible and he should absolutely be held accountable for what he did. He killed an innocent woman and her dog by being completely reckless, irresponsible, and negligent of others.

At the same time, it's sad that he ruined his own promising career, tarnished his life and he will always have to live with what he did. It's okay to empathize that sucks. Both things can be true. Hopefully he takes his time and punishment to take a deep look at himself, become a better person, and learn the impact his actions have - like Maurice Clarett mentioned above.

 

[Deepster]

I hope Henry Ruggs is in anguish over what happened, not because I wish him ill, but because it would indicate he is an empathetic person who feels remorse for his actions. But even though I "hope" he is in anguish, I still feel heartbroken for him and his situation. I can hear a lot of you screaming, "Forget his anguish! There is a dead girl and a grieving family!" I feel just as heartbroken for her and her loved ones as you do. I just feel compelled to encourage compassion for the other party as well, because I have not seen anyone else do it.

I guess I just don't feel heartbroken for him.

You have choices. Choices have outcomes and consequences. When you make a bad choice, like driving 156 mph at double the legal limit, you deserve every consequence you get as a result of that choice.

Would I hope he comes out the other side of this a changed, better person? Sure. But I have no compassion for the road he's going to need to take to get there. He deserves every bit of it.

 

[J187Money]

In the bell curve of decision making, this was a 3rd degree SD bad choice. We all make bad choices. But my level of compassion is really dictated by circumstance and how far out the curve the bad choice is...

 

[YearoftheHusky]

TMZ realesed video Of Ruggs and his girlfriend sitting on the curb watching the car burn after the accident. It was absolutely harrowing. I can’t believe they would release that video. I pray the family does not have to see it.

 

[Chin Diesel]

How your heart breaks for the killer as much as the deceased is hard to comprehend. No personal attack, I simply cannot relate to the rationale of such thinking.
A young innocent woman had her life taken by a also young out of control college educated professional. High paid athlete on a drunk mission of thrill also that could have killed him and his girl friend. They were the lucky ones.
Compassion for the victim and her family 100%, for the accused party not a bit.

The hardest part of humanity is showing compassion and mercy for those who are undeserving of it. Not saying I disagree with your viewpoint

 

[husky429]

The hardest part of humanity is showing compassion and mercy for those who are undeserving of it. Not saying I disagree with your viewpoint

Why is that a necessary part of humanity at all? And why is it the HARDEST part? That's a bold claim to make without any sort of rationale. I mean there's about 99% of philosophers that study ethics that would disagree with you to some extent or another.

You're operating under a totally different moral paradigm than @Woof 101 is... he's saying that they don't deserve that compassion to begin with... so I'm not sure your argument makes much sense from a structural standpoint.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Why is that a necessary part of humanity at all? And why is it the HARDEST part? That's a bold claim to make without any sort of rationale. I mean there's about 99% of philosophers that study ethics that would disagree with you to some extent or another.

You're operating under a totally different moral paradigm than @Woof 101 is... he's saying that they don't deserve that compassion to begin with... so I'm not sure your argument makes much sense from a structural standpoint.

It's what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom and it's hard because it's irrational.

Love how you say I make a bold claim with nothing to back it up and then throw out a "99% of philosophers that study ethics that would disagree" and have nothing to back up that claim. I'm 100% sure that was unintentional irony on your part.

 

[NJHusky]

TMZ realesed video Of Ruggs and his girlfriend sitting on the curb watching the car burn after the accident. It was absolutely harrowing. I can’t believe they would release that video. I pray the family does not have to see it.

Just saw it....Girlfriend is screaming for help (for Ruggs) totally unconcerned that someone just burned to death in a car because of Ruggs. Meanwhile Ruggs is sitting there talking to her....The level of indifference is mind numbing to me.

 

[husky429]

Guess you haven't ever seen animals kill each other for no other reason than clearing out competition for mating, territory or reasons other than for food. Really odd statement to suggest animals don't kill each other or commit genocide. They most certainly do. It's way beyond my knowledge base to even try to discuss if animals are capable of raping each other.

As for why people show compassion to those who act way beyond societal norms, you'd be better off asking them than asking me why I think they do what they do.

You can't possibly be this obtuse dude. Duh, animals kill each other. But they aren't murdering each other in cold blood like humans do, or making the personal choice to drive 160mph while drunk. They operate on instinct absent of morality. An animal doesn't think "he slept with my wife so I'll shoot them both"--they CAN'T.

Your second paragraph also makes no sense. Why someone acts outside of a social norm is irrelevant. People do things for all sorts of reasons. The question is why to show them compassion when they hurt other people? I already answered the question FOR YOU, and you still don't have an answer.

I'm done with this man. You need a critical thinking class.

 

[Umami Zen]

Very poor judgment. Tragic results. Amazing that more damage to human lives wasn't done given the reckless nature of his actions.

Sad

 

[uconnfan68]

You can't possibly be this obtuse dude. Duh, animals kill each other. But they aren't murdering each other in cold blood like humans do, or making the personal choice to drive 160mph while drunk. They operate on instinct absent of morality. An animal doesn't think "he slept with my wife so I'll shoot them both"--they CAN'T.

Your second paragraph also makes no sense. Why someone acts outside of a social norm is irrelevant. People do things for all sorts of reasons. The question is why to show them compassion when they hurt other people? I already answered the question FOR YOU, and you still don't have an answer.

I'm done with this man. You need a critical thinking class.

You said animals don’t kill each other in cold blood. Never watched Nat Geo?

 

[Scoe]

I can understand the anger and the difficulty to forgive the "killer". He behaved in a horrifically irresponsible way that resulted in the tragic death of another person. I just think it's intellectually lazy to wash your hands of the matter by saying, "Poor girl. Hope the driver rots in prison." Why wouldn't you want him to be held accountable for his actions (prison time, money, etc.), and then come out on the other side of this a changed person? I suspect many of you would say, "Oh, I do want that, but we all know it's not going to happen." Would you say that if this was your son? I hope Henry Ruggs is in anguish over what happened, not because I wish him ill, but because it would indicate he is an empathetic person who feels remorse for his actions. But even though I "hope" he is in anguish, I still feel heartbroken for him and his situation. I can hear a lot of you screaming, "Forget his anguish! There is a dead girl and a grieving family!" I feel just as heartbroken for her and her loved ones as you do. I just feel compelled to encourage compassion for the other party as well, because I have not seen anyone else do it. This forum has a newly-minted champion in Maurice Clarett. When he went through his troubles, there were a lot of privileged, ignorant, intellectually lazy people who knew nothing about him personally who said, "I hope this guy rots in jail." Luckily he did not rot in jail, and he is now out there helping to prevent Maurice Clarett and Henry Ruggs scenarios from occurring. I am pretty sure he would agree with my take on this. Also, there is a fictional character, whom a lot of you think was real, whose morals are held in the highest regard by a lot of you (and me for that matter). I guaran-god-damn-tee you he would agree with my take as well. And you people gleefully fantasizing about Henry Ruggs being sexually assaulted: grow up.

I can understand the anger and the difficulty to forgive the "killer". He behaved in a horrifically irresponsible way that resulted in the tragic death of another person. I just think it's intellectually lazy to wash your hands of the matter by saying, "Poor girl. Hope the driver rots in prison." Why wouldn't you want him to be held accountable for his actions (prison time, money, etc.), and then come out on the other side of this a changed person? I suspect many of you would say, "Oh, I do want that, but we all know it's not going to happen." Would you say that if this was your son? I hope Henry Ruggs is in anguish over what happened, not because I wish him ill, but because it would indicate he is an empathetic person who feels remorse for his actions. But even though I "hope" he is in anguish, I still feel heartbroken for him and his situation. I can hear a lot of you screaming, "Forget his anguish! There is a dead girl and a grieving family!" I feel just as heartbroken for her and her loved ones as you do. I just feel compelled to encourage compassion for the other party as well, because I have not seen anyone else do it. This forum has a newly-minted champion in Maurice Clarett. When he went through his troubles, there were a lot of privileged, ignorant, intellectually lazy people who knew nothing about him personally who said, "I hope this guy rots in jail." Luckily he did not rot in jail, and he is now out there helping to prevent Maurice Clarett and Henry Ruggs scenarios from occurring. I am pretty sure he would agree with my take on this. Also, there is a fictional character, whom a lot of you think was real, whose morals are held in the highest regard by a lot of you (and me for that matter). I guaran-god-damn-tee you he would agree with my take as well. And you people gleefully fantasizing about Henry Ruggs being sexually assaulted: grow up.

I think there’s plenty of time to have sympathy for Ruggs and his family. I just can’t help but feel so angry about it because it was so avoidable and his gf was with him how does she not see that he is too intoxicated to drive, being that he is a father to a 2 year old making the selfish decision letting his family and teammates down then of course taking a life I just can’t comprehend it all.