Help Me Understand This Seeding: Florida State and MD in CT's Bracket?

[triaddukefan]

I don't understand why Charlie Crème wastes his time doing this. Speculating on who makes the tournament is one thing. Last four in, first four out, sure. But placing teams in the brackets? It's been proven over and over again to be silly, because it never matches up with what really happens.

Maybe it's because that's what ESPN pays him to do?

 

[oldude]

This is just not that good a Stanford team. Well-coached, for sure, and they can play defense. But they can't put up enough points to be a threat to UCONN.

Yes, you're probably correct, but your description could have just as easily been about Stanford's 2014-15 team.

 

[Vowelguy]

Call me old fashioned, but why bother with projected brackets?

Why speculate on how many minutes of playing time players will get?
Wby bother discussing player-by-player matchups in an upcoming game?

90% of sports conversation is anticipation and speculation. No one is forcing you to read Mr Creme's work, or this thread.

 

[cohenzone]

Why speculate on how many minutes of playing time players will get?
Wby bother discussing player-by-player matchups in an upcoming game?

90% of sports conversation is anticipation and speculation. No one is forcing you to read Mr Creme's work, or this thread.

Cool off sport . Bracket speculation is totally worthless. Player player match-ups are basically known as are regular season opponents. Figure out how many permutations are possible right now, even with groupings by likely rankings, and then figure out exactly how much speculation you have to do and how many you left out. But fine, if it floats your boat. You took this way too personally.

 

[Tonyc]

UConn has already proven they can beat any team with 104 straight wins. How do you beat UConn?????? No team has figured that out yet so stop worrying. NO team wants to be in UConns bracket. That fear is in the back of their minds and their coaches minds and they will be coming to Conn to play UConn before a sell out crowd. Huge advantage. UConn could lose against any team and they havent yet. That little 6 inch court between teams ears is a huge advantage for UConn. The press with their questions will reinforce that negative attitude.

I expect UConn to win the NC this year and for the next 4-6 years. I would think at some point UConn could lose its just the law of averages but UConn right now is playing at a team level that no team has experienced and theyre getting better game by game. So having a team like MD or Fl who we've already beaten on the road doesnt scare me. I dont expect it to happen. It could happen, but I dont see it happening. We are that good and there is no team who plays team ball on both sides of the ball like UConn. To many factors are involved starting with disciple and team sharing. So sit back and enjoy the tourney. Who ever we play in Bridgeport will be at a disadvantage before they get here, then when they get here........

 

[Vowelguy]

Florida st on the verge of losing in the ACC quarterfinals. Could fall to a 3 seed.

 

[triaddukefan]

Florida st on the verge of losing in the ACC quarterfinals. Could fall to a 3 seed.

I got a feeling that they might put Duke in the Bridgeport region and remove FSU

 

[Fairfield Fan]

F-State really did lose. Amazing! Amazing season! Everyone is losing who shouldn't be losing. And UConn ISN'T LOSING, but it was supposed to!

Crazy season!!!

 

[Plebe]

I got a feeling that they might put Duke in the Bridgeport region and remove FSU

The "reward" for Duke performing well in the ACC tournament might be an overall #8 or #9 seed and a date in Bridgeport.
The "punishment" for FSU's loss to Miami might be that it will be less likely to be sent to Bridgeport.

 

[Hongster]

ND beat us 3 times that year when Stewie was a frosh. Did you think they want to meet us the forth time? I didn't think so.

 

[Oldbones]

I don't understand why Charlie Crème wastes his time doing this. Speculating on who makes the tournament is one thing. Last four in, first four out, sure. But placing teams in the brackets? It's been proven over and over again to be silly, because it never matches up with what really happens.

Boneyard has taken Creme's wasted work and so far we have wasted 1,243 views and 38 replies. If Charlie is looking for viewership/readership, it must be working......................

 

[mhshuskies]

How these teams played against UConn is not so relevant. It's how they played over the ENTIRE season. This is the same Maryland team that got solidly beat by Ohio St last week. And Florida St has lost at home to Texas, to bubble Virginia, and whipped by ND in recent weeks.
Don't get me wrong I think they are very good, dangerous teams, but the committee needs to look at the whole resume. The committee had Maryland at #7 before the Ohio St loss. They will be a low 2 at best, more likely a high 3 seed.

MD can be tough because they always play very physical, but FSU no so much, they made notre dame look good!

 

[Wbbfan1]

With Florida St's loss to Miami they'll probably end up as a #3 seed or possibly lower. If Maryland wins the Big 10 tournament, then I seed Maryland as the #2 Seed still in the Bridgeport Region.

 

[Vowelguy]

Right now I could see

UConn, Stanford, Duke, Kentucky
Nd, Texas, Maryland, ucla
Baylor, miss st, Washington, Louisville
So car, ore st, fla st, Ohio st

 

[tonehill68]

How is it that the top #1 seed in the nation gets put together with the two teams that played the toughest games against it the entire season? How does Connecticut get put in a bracket with Maryland and Florida State?

Seems to me that the weakest #2 and #3 and #4 seeds would be Mississippi State, Oregon State, Louisville, and the like. Seems to me that UConn is getting shafted (assuming Creme is correct) by being put in with such tough opponents.

What am I missing here?

Since this is one person's prediction, we should just believe that the committee won't align these teams in the Connecticut bracket because Creme says so. Between now and next week, we will see, hear and red all types of predictions. Some we like and some that will be head scratchers.

But if somehow get both MD and FSU in the same bracket, I say "let's rock" and not worry about who's in the bracket. I'm quite sure Geno isn't worry about it and I kinda like plying teams like this.

 

[Fairfield Fan]

Right now I could see

UConn, Stanford, Duke, Kentucky
Nd, Texas, Maryland, ucla
Baylor, miss st, Washington, Louisville
So car, ore st, fla st, Ohio st

But with Washington losing to Oregon, I'm guessing that they might substitute for Duke in our bracket. Plum is individually excellent, and Osahor pulls down rebounds, but as a team they're highly vulnerable. They lost to an Oregon team led by a freshman guard. UCLA might be better qualified (i.e., weaker) than Kentucky to go in UConn's bracket as well.

Crazy conference tournament so far. Wonder if Creme is frantically revising everything on his spreadsheet?

 

[veryolddog]

I think the brackets come down to two basics: There is UConn, and then there is everyone else.

 

[Plebe]

But with Washington losing to Oregon, I'm guessing that they might substitute for Duke in our bracket. Plum is individually excellent, and Osahor pulls down rebounds, but as a team they're highly vulnerable. They lost to an Oregon team led by a freshman guard. UCLA might be better qualified (i.e., weaker) than Kentucky to go in UConn's bracket as well.

Why would Washington substitute for Duke? All else being equal, a balanced bracket calls for a high #3 seed to be sent to Bridgeport, and there's little doubt that Duke is ahead of Washington at this point.

 

[oldude]

More upsets to come in conference tournaments. If anyone is filling out preliminary brackets I strongly advise you do it in pencil rather than ink.

 

[Fairfield Fan]

Why would Washington substitute for Duke? All else being equal, a balanced bracket calls for a high #3 seed to be sent to Bridgeport, and there's little doubt that Duke is ahead of Washington at this point.

As the #1 #1 seed, UConn should draw the weakest #3 seed. I see Washington as weaker than Duke, and UCLA weaker than Kentucky.

 

[Plebe]

As the #1 #1 seed, UConn should draw the weakest #3 seed.

It doesn't work like that. On a perfect S-curve, UConn would draw the overall #8, #9, and #16 teams. The #9 overall team would be the highest 3-seed.

 

[Vowelguy]

But with Washington losing to Oregon, I'm guessing that they might substitute for Duke in our bracket. Plum is individually excellent, and Osahor pulls down rebounds, but as a team they're highly vulnerable. They lost to an Oregon team led by a freshman guard. UCLA might be better qualified (i.e., weaker) than Kentucky to go in UConn's bracket as well.
?

Washington and Stanford cannot be in the same region.
Ucla is not weaker than Kentucky

 

[oldude]

As the #1 #1 seed, UConn should draw the weakest #3 seed. I see Washington as weaker than Duke, and UCLA weaker than Kentucky.

Not exactly how it works. You have to think in terms of 1 to 16 seeds. UConn being the #1 overall seed would draw the weakest #2 (8th overall seed). The weakest #2 in turn draws the strongest #3 (9th overall seed). On UConn's side of the bracket they would play the weakest #4 (16th overall seed).

So UConn's bracket would have the 1, 8, 9 & 16 seeds.

 

[iamcbs]

How is it that the top #1 seed in the nation gets put together with the two teams that played the toughest games against it the entire season? How does Connecticut get put in a bracket with Maryland and Florida State?

Seems to me that the weakest #2 and #3 and #4 seeds would be Mississippi State, Oregon State, Louisville, and the like. Seems to me that UConn is getting shafted (assuming Creme is correct) by being put in with such tough opponents.

What am I missing here?

The first problem with your scenario is the assumption that ESPiN's Charlies Creme is correct. The Committee hasn't seeded anyone yet, because the conference tournaments are still being played. If you remember earlier this week there was a big

How is it that the top #1 seed in the nation gets put together with the two teams that played the toughest games against it the entire season? How does Connecticut get put in a bracket with Maryland and Florida State?

Seems to me that the weakest #2 and #3 and #4 seeds would be Mississippi State, Oregon State, Louisville, and the like. Seems to me that UConn is getting shafted (assuming Creme is correct) by being put in with such tough opponents.

What am I missing here?

Why are you assuming Charlie Creme is correct? He's not a Committee member, he's an ESPiN guy, like Kiper and McShay and their Mock Drafts or their NBA Insider reports.....

 

[Fairfield Fan]

It doesn't work like that. On a perfect S-curve, UConn would draw the overall #8, #9, and #16 teams. The #9 overall team would be the highest 3-seed.

Why should the top seed draw the weakest #2 seed and the weakest #4 seed, but the strongest #3 seed? I'm sure you understand this far better than I. Just trying to get my head around it. Shouldn't the top seed get all the weakest other high seeds in its region? Isn't that the reason for winning the top seed?

Again, I'm sure that you and other people here have a far better handle on this than I.

 

[willingtonfan]

Why should the top seed draw the weakest #2 seed and the weakest #4 seed, but the strongest #3 seed? I'm sure you understand this far better than I. Just trying to get my head around it. Shouldn't the top seed get all the weakest other high seeds in its region? Isn't that the reason for winning the top seed?

Again, I'm sure that you and other people here have a far better handle on this than I.

Fair question So I shall endeavor to provide an answer.

The idea is to create a bracket where at any given point assuming all seeds hold the number one team is playing the weakest team still in the bracket. So they play number 16 first round, if eight beats nine they play eight in the second round, if four beats five in the third round they play four, and then play number two in the fourth round for the right to go to the final four. So that is where the concept of the S-curve comes from. You match the highest number one seed with the lowest number two seed as that team is the overall number eight seed if it was a straight up bracket of all the teams not splitting into four brackets. You also match the highest number one seed with the lowest number four seed. Then when you fit in the other number one seeds the two seeds and the three seeds The lowest number two seed is in essence the number eight overall seed so just as eight and nine play each other in each bracket in the first round the overall eight and nine seeds should play each other in the third round. In order to do that you match the lowest number two (think the eighth overall seed) with the highest number three (think the ninth overall seed).

And that is why our bracket should have the lowest #2, highest 3 lowest four highest five etc.

Hope this helps!

 

[BobbyJ]

How is it that the top #1 seed in the nation gets put together with the two teams that played the toughest games against it the entire season? How does Connecticut get put in a bracket with Maryland and Florida State?

Seems to me that the weakest #2 and #3 and #4 seeds would be Mississippi State, Oregon State, Louisville, and the like. Seems to me that UConn is getting shafted (assuming Creme is correct) by being put in with such tough opponents.

What am I missing here?

A #1 team with guts doesn't worry about who's in their bracket. Their attitude is "line 'em up."

 

[triaddukefan]

Right now I could see

UConn, Stanford, Duke, Kentucky
Nd, Texas, Maryland, ucla
Baylor, miss st, Washington, Louisville
So car, ore st, fla st, Ohio st

I could see Duke and Stanford being flip flopped.. Depending on today and tomorrows results. Not that there is much of a difference.

 

[LO TRADER]

After watching the SEC Tournament games, I can't see how SEC deserves 8 teams in the NCAA Tournament. Past South Carolina and Miss. St., I can't see any other SEC team better than University of Oregon team in PAC-12 & UO finished 6th. Their quality of play is not up to PAC-12 & ACC. California could beat any of the SEC Teams that finished 3rd or higher. This is a weak conference. I know others disagree, and I may eat my words come tournament time, but I'm putting it out there for debate.

 

[Plebe]

Why should the top seed draw the weakest #2 seed and the weakest #4 seed, but the strongest #3 seed? I'm sure you understand this far better than I. Just trying to get my head around it. Shouldn't the top seed get all the weakest other high seeds in its region? Isn't that the reason for winning the top seed?

Again, I'm sure that you and other people here have a far better handle on this than I.

I thought Oldude above explained it very well. This is the concept of the S-curve.

In terms of the overall top 16 seeds, the expected semifinal matchups are 1-4 and 2-3. The expected "quarterfinal" (Elite 8) matchups are 1-8, 4-5, 3-6, and 2-7. The expected "round of 16" (Sweet 16) matchups in the top half of the bracket are 1-16, 8-9, 5-12, and 4-13. That 8-9 matchup corresponds in the NCAA basketball tournament to the lowest #2 seed and the highest #3 seed.

Don't think of it as UConn drawing the highest #3 seed. As Oldude explains, it's really the lowest #2 seed (overall #8) who draws the highest #3 (overall #9) in its projected Sweet 16 game.