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Helm’s Championships

yeah i'm wasnt surprised espn opened the broadcast echoing that, but i did have to look it up to know what the heck they were talking about. guess KU is insecure about the number of ncaa national chips they've won
 
Huskyhoops25 said:
How lame is it that Kansas posted that they have 6 National on their scoreboard prior to the beginning of the game Friday night? This elicited many WTF’s and “Stop”s from the UConn contingent in our section.
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'It's stupid either way, but my guess is UConn would have done the same.
 
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Kansas’ two Helm’s trophies in 1922 and 1923 were awarded retroactively by a committee formed by the Helm’s Foundation. They weren’t won by winning a national championship tournament, just some committees opinion of who they thought was best done many years later.
 
I had some banter with some Purdue fans on a YouTube video and one of them was proud of their Helms….told him no one really counts those and he sounded like a Syracuse fan.
 
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They really need to create a dividing line when the NCAA expanded the tournament anyway.

The sweet sixteen was the first round in many years

Better teams were in the NIT

The NFL only recognizes Super Bowls beginning in 67. All those NFL championships before are basically forgotten
 
king conn said:
They really need to create a dividing line when the NCAA expanded the tournament anyway.

The sweet sixteen was the first round in many years

Better teams were in the NIT

The NFL only recognizes Super Bowls beginning in 67. All those NFL championships before are basically forgotten
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The NFL recognizes all the championships since George Halas founded the league. They are counted as NFL championships. There was no Super Bowl pre-1967, it was created post AFL-NFL merger.

Interesting you think "the greatest game ever played" in NFL Championship history doesn't counts because it wasn't a Super Bowl. It was Colts/Giants 1958 overtime game.

AND THERE IS THIS -- How Many NFL Champions Since 1920 Can You Name?
 
Palatine said:
The NFL recognizes all the championships since George Halas founded the league. They are counted as NFL championships. There was no Super Bowl pre-1967, it was created post AFL-NFL merger.

Interesting you think "the greatest game ever played" in NFL Championship history doesn't counts because it wasn't a Super Bowl. It was Colts/Giants 1958 overtime game.

AND THERE IS THIS -- How Many NFL Champions Since 1920 Can You Name?
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Thanks Captain Obvious. Of course they are still in the books.

The narrative however is always about Super Bowls.
 
king conn said:
They really need to create a dividing line when the NCAA expanded the tournament anyway.

The sweet sixteen was the first round in many years

Better teams were in the NIT

The NFL only recognizes Super Bowls beginning in 67. All those NFL championships before are basically forgotten
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In the early years
king conn said:
They really need to create a dividing line when the NCAA expanded the tournament anyway.

The sweet sixteen was the first round in many years

Better teams were in the NIT

The NFL only recognizes Super Bowls beginning in 67. All those NFL championships before are basically forgottena little more complicated than that . It actually went back and forth depending on the year and that the team that won .
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It actually varied year to year depending on the team
I think the revelation of point shaving. Primarily in the NY area hurt the NIT prestige and Eastern Basketball in general by the mid 50’s the NCAA surpassed the NIT . MSG was the site for the Eadtern regionals and the NCAA finals in the late 1940’s early 50’s.
The last NIT champ considered the best team in the country was 1954 Holy Cross a team that UConn beat
on their own floor .
After that the NCAA champs
1955, 1956 Russell’s undefeated San Francisco team and
1857 UNC marked a clear departure in prestige .
As the NCAA expanded the NIT became more watered down .
Expansion to 64 was the crusher and what was a week of a multiple team tournament marked by craziness and even riots slowly eroded
 
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king conn said:
Thanks Captain Obvious. Of course they are still in the books.

The narrative however is always about Super Bowls.
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If they are still in the book, then the NFL "recognizes" them. I assume you're a Patriot fan.
 
Palatine said:
If they are still in the book, then the NFL "recognizes" them. I assume you're a Patriot fan.
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No, I'm a Giants fan

Their previous championships are never mentioned, only the Super Bowls.

The point of the whole post flew over your head, so you stick to the simple, yes the NFL recognizes them
 
Do you think they would’ve done that if they weren’t playing UCONN? I don’t.
 
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Leebo said:
Recognizing them seems fine... but they should be called Helm's title selections or something, not championships.
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They are the NFL Championships. Just because the NFL Championship was re-named the "Super Bowl" in the 1960's does not make all the previous championships void. It a completely meaningless distinction. LOL.
 
REB1094 said:
We would do the same thing
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Weighing Options Are You Sure GIF

Would we, though? To me throwing up pretend championships that aren't actually one on the court up there with actual championships dilutes the value of the real ones.
 
CL82 said:
Would we, though? To me throwing up pretend championships that aren't actually one on the court up there with actual championships dilutes the value of the real ones.
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Of course we would. KU has the original rules of basketball on display and other historical artifacts. The Helms are part of the history of the sport, like the early NIT titles as well, and Kansas rightly feels like it has a big part of that history. I've never met a single KU fan (not counting the Twitter trolls) that feels that they are equivalent to the championships now. It's not a big deal.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Of course we would. KU has the original rules of basketball on display and other historical artifacts. The Helms are part of the history of the sport, like the early NIT titles as well, and Kansas rightly feels like it has a big part of that history. I've never met a single KU fan (not counting the Twitter trolls) that feels that they are equivalent to the championships now. It's not a big deal.
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Still when you post a graphic during a game counting imaginary helms championships as national championships it just comes off as weak.

The retroactive Helms national championships from 1900–01 through 1941–42 were the opinions of one person about teams that played during an era when, due to factors outside their control (e.g., minimal schedules, lack of intersectional play, differing rule interpretations, minimal statistics), it is difficult to know or assess the relative strength of the teams.

Now if they want to post that they were selected by a single person retroactively as his pick national champions decades and tack it up alongside the copies of the original rules of basketball. Feel free. But, in the end they still are just one guy's opinion looking back at seasons decades later.
 
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CL82 said:
Still when you post a graphic during a game counting imaginary helms championships as national championships it just comes off as weak.
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They have the banners hanging too. This wasn’t a one off for this game to take a shot at UConn.

Do people really care about this? I think it is stupid but any school is going to count it.
 
joelerg87 said:
They have the banners hanging too. This wasn’t a one off for this game to take a shot at UConn.

Do people really care about this? I think it is stupid but any school is going to count it.
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Shrugs. When you mix them in with championships that are actually earned it comes off weak in my opinion. Do you want to post it on a plaque in the men's room or something, by all means, feel free, but in the end it's still just one guy's opinion offered up decades after the fact.

Matt Leblanc Whatever GIF
 
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