"Hearing that the #UNC Notice of Allegations will be released Thursday morning"

[Tenspro2002]

I have no idea why people here keep referencing UConn in the context of any penalties UNC will suffer - just stop. You look stupid.

The situations are different, but it's the question over whether to punish a school based on the penalty regime in place when the infraction occurred or based on the penalty in place after the infraction occurred.

The implication here is that UNC is punished using the old penalty system because their violations occurred during the old penalty regime (which is reasonable), while we were punished using a new penalty system, despite the fact that our APR violations -- if you want to call them that -- occurred when an older penalty system was in place (which is ex post facto nonsense).

It's not an unreasonable complaint on our end, though I suppose the UNC situation doesn't have much to do with it.

 

[Mazhude]

Did you actually think this was clever when you wrote it?

Jerry, thank you for your angst. And yes, it is at least as clever as anything you've posted in recent memory. Have you had a positive thing to say about anyone's posts here, I wonder? Mostly you just seem to snipe at things other people say...

 

[CallMeBruce]

The situations are different, but it's the question over whether to punish a school based on the penalty regime in place when the infraction occurred or based on the penalty in place after the infraction occurred.

The implication here is that UNC is punished using the old penalty system because their violations occurred during the old penalty regime (which is reasonable), while we were punished using a new penalty system, despite the fact that our APR violations -- if you want to call them that -- occurred when an older penalty system was in place (which is ex post facto nonsense).

It's not an unreasonable complaint on our end, though I suppose the UNC situation doesn't have much to do with it.

Right, but the 'joke' that has been repeated ad nauseum on here is that UConn is going to be punished for UNC's violations, just as it was made when Syracuse was waiting on their penalty. Independent of that, it's a stupid, unfunny joke, and it's been made on here probably 150 times.

 

[UConn Dan]

I have no idea why people here keep referencing UConn in the context of any penalties UNC will suffer - just stop. You look stupid.

This is epic level dooshbaggery. UConn fans still have a ton of resentment for the APR situation. Let us vent how we want without your holier than thou comments.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Jerry, thank you for your angst. And yes, it is at least as clever as anything you've posted in recent memory. Have you had a positive thing to say about anyone's posts here, I wonder? Mostly you just seem to snipe at things other people say...

Stop posting stupid crap and people will stop criticizing you. It's tiresome.

 

[Jaker]

UNC won't get the death penalty,but I do see a 2 year post season ban in their future.

 

[Jerry1714]

Jerry, thank you for your angst. And yes, it is at least as clever as anything you've posted in recent memory. Have you had a positive thing to say about anyone's posts here, I wonder? Mostly you just seem to snipe at things other people say...

Sorry to hurt your feelings, next time just be original.

P.S. my previous post was very postive, I thanked Fishy for calling out posters like you. I even included 3 "thank yous" that is very complimentary.

 

[JSM1970]

Would be great if it was this upcoming year, when they are preseason #1.

UNC won't get the death penalty,but I do see a 2 year post season ban in their future.

 

[Brochacho]

The Boneyard has gotten bitchy lately. I think we all need more time outside to play.

 

[Fishy]

This is epic level dooshbaggery. UConn fans still have a ton of resentment for the APR situation. Let us vent how we want without your holier than thou comments.

Looking stupid is something of a cottage industry for you, so consider yourself exempt.

 

[CL82]

If new structure were used:

They have developed an interesting two tier system.

Tier 1 (for use with land grant institutions located in Connecticut):
Sanction, then create absurdly more severe retroactive penalty making sure that it is mathematically impossible subject institution to comply and then re-sanction for same offense.

Tier 2 (for use with everyone else):
Evade and ignore violations if possible, if media can't be distracted, then use tough language and sanction minimally.

 

[CL82]

Right, but the 'joke' that has been repeated ad nauseum on here is that UConn is going to be punished for UNC's violations, just as it was made when Syracuse was waiting on their penalty. Independent of that, it's a stupid, unfunny joke, and it's been made on here probably 150 times.

...and probably will be again...in twenty minutes.

 

[UConn Dan]

Looking stupid is something of a cottage industry for you, so consider yourself exempt.

I agree with @Brochacho . Maybe, you should go outside and play hide and go funk yourself.

I kid, I kid, Fishy. I like you most of the time, but "the better than you" attitude comes on a bit thick sometimes.

 

[Excalibur]

This is an example of the absurdity of the boneyard. Everyone complained that Cuse got banned this year because they were not going to win it and not in the future, but people want UNC banned this year because they are good. If it does not fit perfectly into people's needs and views here they think its a conspiracy or the NCAA has an agenda.

1) You assume, with no evidence, that it is the same people that want UNC banned this year that objected to cuse's current-season ban.

2) The problem with the Cuse penalties, and the problem if UNC gets only a one year, current-season ban, is that, when taken in context with the recruiting-destructive and transfer-inducing ban for failure to meet APR standards, the message is clear that cheating is worth the risk.

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[UConnSwag11]

Adam Gold ‏@AGoldFan

Hearing that the NOA will spare men's basketball of penalties. Charges aimed at football based on impermissible benefits. #NOA #UNC

 

[CL82]

Because everyone knows that there's nothing funnier than making the same jokes that have been made dozens of dozens of times before, and didn't really make sense in the first place.

... like Saturday Night Live?

 

[Jerry1714]

1) You assume, with no evidence, that it is the same people that want UNC banned this year that objected to cuse's current-season ban.

2) The problem with the Cuse penalties, and the problem if UNC gets only a one year, current-season ban, is that, when taken in context with the recruiting-destructive and transfer-inducing ban for failure to meet APR standards, the message is clear that cheating is worth the risk.

My point regarding number 1 is that there are people who want UNC banned this year but are upset Cuse got it the same year as the sanctions were handed down, and those people are absurd. And everyone wanted Cuse banned next year, not this year, so anyone advocating for UNC to be banned this year falls into that category.

And I already made your second point previously in this thread.

 

[Leebo]

Cuse didn't "get banned" by the NCAA, they chose the year themselves.

And if UNC had a choice, they definitely wouldn't ban themselves in a year they knew they were preseason top 3.

It's simply about the perceived strengths of the teams in given seasons, not that "next year" or "this year" is always better across the board.

And I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out, but I will for clarity... my position is not one of what the NCAA should do, but what would be funniest to me. I'm sure there are others out there with that position too.

 

[Gurleyman]

My point regarding number 1 is that there are people who want UNC banned this year but are upset Cuse got it the same year as the sanctions were handed down, and those people are absurd. And everyone wanted Cuse banned next year, not this year, so anyone advocating for UNC to be banned this year falls into that category. And I already made your second point previously in this thread.

Not absurd if the UNC sanctions were handed out tomorrow. Getting a postseason penalty in June would give players a chance to transfer out - Syracuse players never had that chance and were left to play a dead-end season (particularly Christmas and any other seniors they had). And they were able to self-impose sanctions at a time when their season was sliding (post-McCullough injury) and their prospects were dimmer than in recent years. It was pretty easy to sacrifice that season in hopes for leniency, even if they were still a possible NCAA team.

But if the sanctions come down in February, which is more likely with the speed these things happen, then we have apples to apples. The opinions people are giving are based on time frame, though - if Cuse had self imposed their ban in June, it would be treated differently.

 

[Confident Carl]

Not absurd if the UNC sanctions were handed out tomorrow. Getting a postseason penalty in June would give players a chance to transfer out - Syracuse players never had that chance and were left to play a dead-end season (particularly Christmas and any other seniors they had). And they were able to self-impose sanctions at a time when their season was sliding (post-McCullough injury) and their prospects were dimmer than in recent years. It was pretty easy to sacrifice that season in hopes for leniency, even if they were still a possible NCAA team.

But if the sanctions come down in February, which is more likely with the speed these things happen, then we have apples to apples. The opinions people are giving are based on time frame, though - if Cuse had self imposed their ban in June, it would be treated differently.

NCAA Hits UNC With 5 Violations in Wake of Academic Scandal

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ncaa-hits-unc-violations-wake-academic-scandal-31530367

and the allegations are:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...-of-allegations-lack-of-institutional-control

 

[Leebo]

NCAA Hits UNC With 5 Violations in Wake of Academic Scandal

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ncaa-hits-unc-violations-wake-academic-scandal-31530367

Why did you post that in reply to him?

 

[caw]

So UNC just received the NOA from the NCAA, has yet to respond and people already think they know what type of penalties the NCAA will throw at them? That's cute.

 

[Confident Carl]

Why did you post that in reply to him?

No reason. It was just the last post and I just got the alert. Did not intend to confuse.

 

[Huskies4ever]

So UNC just received the NOA from the NCAA, has yet to respond and people already think they know what type of penalties the NCAA will throw at them? That's cute.

Yeah, if the penalties are directed at football and women's basketball (WTF?), than the NCAA is gonna look REALLY bad.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Right, but the 'joke' that has been repeated ad nauseum on here is that UConn is going to be punished for UNC's violations, just as it was made when Syracuse was waiting on their penalty. Independent of that, it's a stupid, unfunny joke, and it's been made on here probably 150 times.

Oh, OK. Then yes, that is stupid.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Yeah, if the penalties are directed at football and women's basketball (WTF?), than the NCAA is gonna look REALLY bad.

What makes you believe the NCAA cares how it looks? I ask that seriously. I don't believe that give a rat's ass.

They will do whatever it takes to spare UNC Basketball, and I agree they will look terrible. I don't think they care at all as long as the P5 is content.

 

[Jimdish255]

Judging by this I can't imagine how every coach didn't know this was going on. It was a long running institutionalized scam.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article23137089.html

 

[Huskies4ever]

What makes you believe the NCAA cares how it looks? I ask that seriously. I don't believe that give a rat's ass.

They will do whatever it takes to spare UNC Basketball, and I agree they will look terrible. I don't think they care at all as long as the P5 is content.

This is all over the media, and a mocking of college athletics across the board. Are we truly to believe that UNC cheated in the classroom more for their football and women's bball programs? The NCAA has to do something (instead of punishing the weak) to save face. The punishment to the basketball team may be lesser, but you would think they would get more than a slap on the wrist.

If they care about the P5 being content, then what are they doing? The P5 is in charge of the NCAA, already? Why do we have an NCAA, then? I mean this seriously, because, last I knew, the NCAA was the head of college athletics, not the P5. (I know the P5 drives $ in the form of football, but the NCAA is supposed to run this thing and not the conferences, right?)

 

[GemParty]

Is UNC going to self impose a light sentence, & negotiate a convenient deal like Cuse did to keep their tainted banner?