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And we have the Miami AD comenting in an interview today raving about how happy Miami is in the ACC and how it is a perfect fit. One has to do a double take when he talks like this. It must be that he's secretly looking to leave. Those WV Dudes will have Miami going to the SEC by the end of the week.

http://msn.foxsports.com/florida/story/miami-ad-blake-james-sees-acc-as-perfect-fit-021214

Very interesting, btstimpy. Good find. Yes, the Miami AD comments are a little suspicious. What prompted him to come out today saying how much he loves the ACC? Does anyone think that just came out of the blue? No way. He probably got wind about Florida State leaving. He doesn't want Florida State to leave and wants to remind them how great the ACC is. Or maybe he's setting it up so that he can go with Florida State to the Big 12. And now we those ominous posts by Russ Mitchell, who is even a legitimate, officially licensed newsman. Why did he choose to post that stuff about SEC expansion today? It really makes you think.
 
The good news is that if this is true, then FSU is one less school that will vote against us. The bad news is that this just puts more pressure on the ACC to beef up in football. You know the rest.

But it's probably all BS anyways.
 
As one of the infected or inflicted I found Luck's mention that "it would be nice to have one or two programs closer" to WVU for the benefit of their fans. So Cinci must be a prime candidate for one spot, the question is would they consider UConn or UCF to be closer for # 2?:)
 
If FSU ever left the ACC, ACC football becomes the old Big East, including Olympic sport only ND. Clearly, the #5 football conference. It would become unstable as schools would have to review their options. Hard to see Clemson sticking around.

As for interesting football schedules, nobody in the ACC compares to Texas and Oklahoma, although you get ND at home about once every five years.
 
All I can say is I'm super stoked to imagine that the poaching will begin again. Let the SEC, Big 12 or Big 10 take ANYONE from the ACC, and dominoes will start to fall. That means there's a great chance UCONN can get out of the AAC. Don't get me wrong - I think the AAC can be good in about 10 years if schools like UCF, SMU, and a few others pour resources into their sports programs, but I can't wait for the day UCONN is no longer part of it...
 
If FSU ever left the ACC, ACC football becomes the old Big East, including Olympic sport only ND. Clearly, the #5 football conference. It would become unstable as schools would have to review their options. Hard to see Clemson sticking around.

As for interesting football schedules, nobody in the ACC compares to Texas and Oklahoma, although you get ND at home about once every five years.

You have to be tipsy...FSU would be pared against ISU, Kansas, KSU, WVU, and Texas Tech....They wouldn't play n thr same division as Oklahoma nor Texas.

And Texas means nothing to FSU fans...it's Miami and Clemson and Florida...
 
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If FSU goes anywhere it would be to the SEC, probably with Clemson or Texas or Georgia Tech. Fla would not like it but if the SEC expands I see them going after FSU, Texas, Clemson in that order and then others if any two of them don't commit. Though I'm not sure what FSU gains by leaving the ACC except a much tougher conference schedule in football. Also don't be surprised, if FSU does leave the ACC, that they(ACC) don't go after one of the Florida teams in the AAC. Academics vs having a presence in Florida, that will be the question. Hey they took Louisville, why wouldn't they take UCF? UConn got snubbed for a reason and I'm not sure the whole story is out on that yet. If Texas goes to the SEC you may see the rest of that conference panic and go after SMU, Houston, Memphis. This could get real ugly for UConn before it gets better. Man the Huskies need to start winning some football games and win them pretty freakin fast.
 
There is no chance that the SEC expands with Florida State and Clemson.

Neither one of them is worth a cent to the SEC who already has a bigger presence in both states - they blew FSU off earlier this year.

The SEC has no pressure to expand, but if they did, they'd likely expand the footprint into Carolina/Virginia.
 
There is no chance that the SEC expands with Florida State and Clemson.

Neither one of them is worth a cent to the SEC who already has a bigger presence in both states - they blew FSU off earlier this year.

The SEC has no pressure to expand, but if they did, they'd likely expand the footprint into Carolina/Virginia.

This. No offense to Clemson, but the SEC is not paying twice for the lucrative South Carolina market.
 
If FSU goes anywhere it would be to the SEC, probably with Clemson or Texas or Georgia Tech. Fla would not like it but if the SEC expands I see them going after FSU, Texas, Clemson in that order and then others if any two of them don't commit. Though I'm not sure what FSU gains by leaving the ACC except a much tougher conference schedule in football. Also don't be surprised, if FSU does leave the ACC, that they(ACC) don't go after one of the Florida teams in the AAC. Academics vs having a presence in Florida, that will be the question. Hey they took Louisville, why wouldn't they take UCF? UConn got snubbed for a reason and I'm not sure the whole story is out on that yet. If Texas goes to the SEC you may see the rest of that conference panic and go after SMU, Houston, Memphis. This could get real ugly for UConn before it gets better. Man the Huskies need to start winning some football games and win them pretty freakin fast.

As usual you make no sense whatsoever.
 
There is no chance that the SEC expands with Florida State and Clemson.

Neither one of them is worth a cent to the SEC who already has a bigger presence in both states - they blew FSU off earlier this year.

The SEC has no pressure to expand, but if they did, they'd likely expand the footprint into Carolina/Virginia.

While both the SEC & B1G would take UNC in a minute the 2 names most commonly linked to the SEC are NC St & Va Tech.

UNC will stay in the ACC until the last second before the ship sinks if it came to that
 
If FSU goes anywhere it would be to the SEC, probably with Clemson or Texas or Georgia Tech. Fla would not like it but if the SEC expands I see them going after FSU, Texas, Clemson in that order and then others if any two of them don't commit. Though I'm not sure what FSU gains by leaving the ACC except a much tougher conference schedule in football. Also don't be surprised, if FSU does leave the ACC, that they(ACC) don't go after one of the Florida teams in the AAC. Academics vs having a presence in Florida, that will be the question. Hey they took Louisville, why wouldn't they take UCF? UConn got snubbed for a reason and I'm not sure the whole story is out on that yet. If Texas goes to the SEC you may see the rest of that conference panic and go after SMU, Houston, Memphis. This could get real ugly for UConn before it gets better. Man the Huskies need to start winning some football games and win them pretty freakin fast.

FSU isn't going anywhere because they have no place to go other than the Big 12 & there is no reason for them to make that move.

Our resident FSU apologist will show up any second & tell us how they are committed to the ACC but the reality is they are stuck in the ACC
 
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I think That FSU is committed to the ACC...and I also agree that the SEC is out of the picture and so is the Big 12 so it is ACC all the way.

I think that options are getting pretty thin for many teams...

Although I am one who thinks that the Big 12 building an eastern pod makes a lot of sense, that pod would probably be something like UConn, WVU, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, etc.
 
I think That FSU is committed to the ACC...and I also agree that the SEC is out of the picture and so is the Big 12 so it is ACC all the way.

I think that options are getting pretty thin for many teams...

Although I am one who thinks that the Big 12 building an eastern pod makes a lot of sense, that pod would probably be something like UConn, WVU, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, etc.
billy, I like ECU(more than WF/DukeFB) too but I don't think the Big12 will see them as a "must add" in the big picture? I think the OBE should have 5 or 6 yrs ago though. A lot of congestion in a "smaller large state"(9.5M?) in N.Carolina. Add in 2 more in SC and thats 6(7 inc ECU) D1 programs in an area(Carolinas) with a population of around (14M?).
 
Hindsight is great, but if the old BE administretion got an epiphany around 2010 and decided to shore up the FB side with ECU and UCF, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville would still be in the BE. Those teams had a history with ECU, and Louisville had one with UCF........all appreciated there value.

But in its infinite wisdom, the old BE rationalized the BEFB league could be improved by upgrading Villanova........would even consider accepting a massive size 18,000 seat stadium. Its all water under the bridge now, but typlifies the small time thinking of the old BE administration.

Now some are realistically concerned that GEE wiz, if ACC needs to expand out of necessity down the road.....they may choose UCF and/or ECU before UConn. Duuuh! Four years later some are acknowledging that UCF and ECU are pretty good and have value.

I am sooooo sick of various senarios that leave UConn out. I'm as clueless as the next blue blood UConn fan, but would not be surprised if UCF or ECU leapfrogs UConn IF there is another realignment.

UConn has been victimized by years of a BE administration that lacked foresight towards the direction of college athletics, and if they had a clue, were immune as to a proper response to hold the league together. Living in the past........using a foggy crystal ball for guidance.

Sorry to all fans.......I vented and got an ounce of pent up frustration off my chest. I'm keeping the rest close to the vest to spare you all some commentary that does not use proper English vernacular expressions.
 
Hindsight is great, but if the old BE administretion got an epiphany around 2010 and decided to shore up the FB side with ECU and UCF, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville would still be in the BE. Those teams had a history with ECU, and Louisville had one with UCF...all appreciated there value.

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Not a terrible idea, but I don't think that would have stopped any kind of movement. The whole exploration of the Villanova upgrade was not even a good half measure.

Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Rutgers, Louisville and UConn would all have left given the opportunity.
 
You have to be tipsy...FSU would be pared against ISU, Kansas, KSU, WVU, and Texas Tech....They wouldn't play n thr same division as Oklahoma nor Texas.

And Texas means nothing to FSU fans...it's Miami and Clemson and Florida...

Again, not that it's going to happen (because it is extremely unlikely that it does), but Florida State would absolutely be playing against Texas if they went to the Big12! The conference would split into a north and south division, as they had in the past. If FSU and Clemson jumped to the Big12, here would be the hypothetical alignment:

North: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, WVU, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma
South: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Florida State, Clemson


The addition of a championship game along with the FSU / Clemson addition would be the only reason that the Big12 or FSU would do it, as it would add a boat-load of money to the conference (which is already making as much as the ACC). Having said all that, I still don't think it happens...but they would play Texas every year...
 
The whole exploration of the Villanova upgrade was not even a good half measure.

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Hindsight is great, but if the old BE administretion got an epiphany around 2010 and decided to shore up the FB side with ECU and UCF, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville would still be in the BE. Those teams had a history with ECU, and Louisville had one with UCF...all appreciated there value.

You're out of your mind.

You know who didn't want UCF and ECU in the conference?

The schools you just mentioned.

Do people even take a half-second to think about this crap before they post? Holy s---.
 
Don't think so.

The problems that the Big 12 has in expanding is their complete discord over divisions. They could not come to any agreements on structure.

What you pick up is that some do not want a North-South that almost ruined the Big 12. And that all of the Texas teams and Oklahoma teams want to play one another. And that the Texas crew wants ISU, Kansas, KSU, and WVU together.

The Big 12 North in 2010

Nebraska
Missouri
Colorado
Kansas
KSU
ISU

The good ole boys of Texas and Oklahoma (who own the conference) would just plug FSU into the North and hope that they could take Nebraska's place.
 
Don't think so.

The problems that the Big 12 has in expanding is their complete discord over divisions. They could not come to any agreements on structure.

What you pick up is that some do not want a North-South that almost ruined the Big 12. And that all of the Texas teams and Oklahoma teams want to play one another. And that the Texas crew wants ISU, Kansas, KSU, and WVU together.

The Big 12 North in 2010

Nebraska
Missouri
Colorado
Kansas
KSU
ISU

The good ole boys of Texas and Oklahoma (who own the conference) would just plug FSU into the North and hope that they could take Nebraska's place.

They might plug Clemson in the North, and move OU to the south to keep the Red River Rivalry in tact. Or they would just have the Red River Rivalry game as a cross-divisional game. Either way, that game would stay in tact. And you are correct; Texas would absolutely want ISU, Kansas, KSU, and WVU together, and that's why they would stick with the North / South divisional set up.

Again...5% chance of happening, but that's how it would go down. The Big12 conference forms a straight line currently from North to South, so that's how they would shape themselves...
 
Soooo?

Clemson would be as raving as FSU to play ISU, Kansas, KSU, WVU ?

Nah...that line up is no draw for either Clemson or FSU.
 
Soooo?

Clemson would be as raving as FSU to play ISU, Kansas, KSU, WVU ?

Nah...that line up is no draw for either Clemson or FSU.

Go back to read my North / South breakdown, where you'll find that both Clemson and FSU are in the south. Holy moly...
 
Don't get me wrong - I think the AAC can be good in about 10 years if schools like UCF, SMU, and a few others pour resources into their sports programs, but I can't wait for the day UCONN is no longer part of it...

What resources? The money for the TV deal that pays each school for ALL sports less than the amount UConn was making from SNY for WOMEN'S BASKETBALL ALONE in the old Big East?
 
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Go back to read my North / South breakdown, where you'll find that both Clemson and FSU are in the south. Holy moly...

Yeah...Like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would allow Texas and the Texas teams to have access to Florida and South Carolina together in a division...

Texas teams getting exposure for recruiting in Florida and the south...while the north teams still compete to pull recruits out of Texas and the paltry grounds of Iowa. Kansas, and Oklahoma?

Never happen that way.
 
What I think is important to understand is that Florida State would be just the first step in Big 12 expansion.

First the Big 12 invites Florida State. Then the Big 12 says "We are happy at 11 schools. 11 is such a great number. We can't possibly imagine ever expanding again. But we will continue to monitor the landscape."

Without Florida State, panic ensues in the ACC. Now all the schools are ripe for the picking.

Now the Big 12 invites Virginia. "We couldn't pass up having both Virignia and West Virginia in the same conference. Now that we are at 12, we have the proper 12 to match our name. We are done expanding." says Bowlsby.

The next day, North Carolina and Duke are invited. "Okay, we are really done this time", says Bowlsby. North Carolina and Duke issue a joint statement saying "We had no choice because we heard North Carolina State and Virginia Tech were going to the SEC".

A few days later the Big 12 adds four more (Connecticut, Syracuse, Clemson, and Notre Dame). Notre Dame joins as a full member because no one will have them as a partial, and they don't want to stick with all the rift-raft left in the ACC.


With 18 teams, the Big 12 changes its name to the Big 18 (but also trademarks the names Big 24, Big 36, and Big 128 in case of future expansion) and splits into two divisions:

East: Clemson, Connecticut, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Virginia, West Virginia.

West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech.

Scheduling is round-robin in each division (8 games) plus 1 cross-division game in football with a championship game pitting the winners of the two divisions, and single round-robin in basketball (17 games).


6 months later, a secret memo leaks that indicates that Boston College, now stuck in a depleted ACC that's considering merging with the AAC, was originally going to be invitee #18, but Connecticut blackballed them.
 
Soooo?

Clemson would be as raving as FSU to play ISU, Kansas, KSU, WVU ?

Nah...that line up is no draw for either Clemson or FSU.

Please. Schools that play B.C., Duke, Wake, etc. on a regular basis have no room to talk--oh that's right, you are a Duke fan.

btw Kansas State destroyed Miami the last two times they played and Kansas took down ACC champ VT a few years back in the Orange Bowl. Another ACC champ lost in historic fashion to WVU just a couple of seasons ago. To pretend these ACC schools are too good to be in a conference with these BIG 12 schools is about as far out there as it gets.
 
Bucky...it is not personal...Has nothing to do with "being too good for". I am talking about fan interest.

Do you think that Longhorn fans would drool about playing an eastern line up of Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, NC State and Virginia?

No.

There is no history, no fan interaction at work....it is playing in a different time zone in another area of the country.
 
Bucky...it is not personal...Has nothing to do with "being too good for". I am talking about fan interest.

Do you think that Longhorn fans would drool about playing an eastern line up of Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, NC State and Virginia?

No.

There is no history, no fan interaction at work....it is playing in a different time zone in another area of the country.
Yeah billy again I agree that almost all perception is regional!!! As good as the history is at Texahoma I'd prefer watching schools from my area uncaring of what "outsiders" watch out west!! Like as far as I'm concerned the Pac12 is "invisible" though most westcoasters would disagree.Bucky seems like a decent enough guy and I admire his loyalties and even agree with much of his opinion but not all.
 
Bucky...it is not personal...Has nothing to do with "being too good for". I am talking about fan interest.

Do you think that Longhorn fans would drool about playing an eastern line up of Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, NC State and Virginia?

No.

There is no history, no fan interaction at work....it is playing in a different time zone in another area of the country.
billy....is Bucky still with us? I sense he's gone !?!
 
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