Heard Daniel Hamilton's trip to UConn went well this weekend...

[BigErnMcCracken]

1) For starters, much of the NBA offensive game is isolation or pick and roll, while 60-80% of the team stands around the perimeter. There is more of a motion style offense in MCBB. This is really a function of season length and age of players. 40 Minutes of Hell (or 48 minutes, whatever the case may be) would not fly over an 82 game season played primarily by 26-33 year olds. Rick Pitino tried and failed.

I can't disagree more with this. Gimmick offenses don't fly in the NBA because the players are too good. But there are NBA teams that run flawless offense that's beautiful to watch. Also, NBA teams are too good to be pressed.

 

[Husky25]

Gimmick offenses don't fly in the NBA because the players are too good.

Isolation and Pick and Roll are gimmick offenses? Okay, If you say so.

Also, NBA teams are too good to be pressed.

Completely dependent on the Team being pressed.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Isolation and Pick and Roll are gimmick offenses? Okay, If you say so.

I literally have no idea what you think I said, but I was saying the opposite. You see more gimmick offenses in college because they're used to mask athletic and other deficiencies. Example: the princeton offense. The NBA uses the pick and roll and other sets to get playmakers into space to make plays for themself and their teammates. Like good UConn teams would do.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Completely dependent on the Team being pressed.

I dont think it is. An NBA team that tried to press in anything more than end of game situations would give up dunk after dunk after dunk. NBA players are much, much more skilled than college players.

 

[sammydabiz]

NBA regular season ----> unwatchable
NBA Playoffs----> worth my time

However, the game has gotten so soft..... I loved watching the Bulls/Heat game last night, but 54 fouls?!? 9 techs?.....please, if this was the 80s/90s that would be just another game. It's a man's sport, let them play like men........todays NBA is way too emasculating for me. The refs/new rules have essentially turned me off from pro bball

 

[Husky25]

I literally have no idea what you think I said, but I was saying the opposite. You see more gimmick offenses in college because they're used to mask athletic and other deficiencies. Example: the princeton offense. The NBA uses the pick and roll and other sets to get playmakers into space to make plays for themself and their teammates. Like good UConn teams would do.

You quoted a passage where I mention the Iso, P&R, and Motion, so naturally I know you are specifically referring to the Princeton offense. The motion is also not a gimmick offense, as it uses P&R on and away from the ball (as you mention good UConn teams doing). It is so much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than Isolation, IMO. The Princeton offense is a subset of the Motion. It's only a gimmick because a team of undersized, less athletic, ivy-leaguers beat the defending NCAA National Champions in 1996.

Plenty of NBA teams have run/are running versions of the Princeton Offense, including the Sacremento Kings from 1997-2006 (when they were routinely contenders in the West and had some guy named Webber playing for them.), where Pete Carril was an assistant coach.

 

[Husky25]

I dont think it is. An NBA team that tried to press in anything more than end of game situations would give up dunk after dunk after dunk. NBA players are much, much more skilled than college players.

That was a throw-away comment. Of course they are, but that's not why you don't see much pressing in the NBA. The players get paid to play defense too and the defense can take 6-9 seconds off a short 24 second shot clock by merely guarding the ball up the court. It's inefficient to press when the offense is already hurried. Plus, stars are older and the season is 2.5-3x longer (incl. playoffs). Any team choosing to press a majority of the time will lose their legs by Christmas.

 

[James]

Michael Jordan played in Boston every night? News to me.

I went to games often (had free tickets). It was a snoozer. 80+ games and many players just didn't care.

Ohh thought you meant in general like televised. the difference between nba and NCAA is one is professional. They're the best in the world. Sure mcbb might be more competitive in that there are more errors made on both sides of the floor. Pressing nba teams would be hilarious. That's a gimmick, coaches pull that card to catch a team sleeping . While NCAA coaches make it their bread and butter.

 

[James]

ISO ball is the bane of any basketball viewers existence. Ask Knick fans. Pro teams don't need to run uber complicated sets when players are so individually talented in getting theirs. Spacing is the premium. See steph curry

 

[Husky25]

...coaches pull that card to catch a team sleeping . While NCAA coaches make it their bread and butter.

NBA point guards, such as Rondo, will do it on their own. They'll play possum in the opposing backcourt and then step in front of and steal the ball from the other teams' handler. It's not really a press per se, rather a technique to apply one man backcourt pressure and get into the opposing teams' collective head.

Regardless, I mentioned above that 40 Minutes of Hell (or derivation thereof) would not work in the NBA as evidenced by Rick Pitino.

 

[James]

Yah there is applied pressure I agree, like Payton. The heat also trap a bunch due to their personnel. that's not gimmicky. But it's definitely a case or game by game decision how much they do it.

 

[upstater]

Ohh thought you meant in general like televised. the difference between nba and NCAA is one is professional. They're the best in the world. Sure mcbb might be more competitive in that there are more errors made on both sides of the floor. Pressing nba teams would be hilarious. That's a gimmick, coaches pull that card to catch a team sleeping . While NCAA coaches make it their bread and butter.

I didn't say anything about pressing. I was merely remarking that all these fans were paying top dollar to watch several guys dog it, night in and night out. I don't think this is going on today, but back then I was a huge fan because of the Celtics, and I never saw it on TV (I did used to wonder why the 76ers with Moses Malone were always playing D 4 on 5). When I got to the arena, I understood. They weren't playing hard during the regular season.

But I haven't been to a game in eons. Two decades now.

 

[Sportsman5]

When I saw this thread had a lot of posts in it I figured there would be something about Daniel Hamilton...

Getting a highly ranked recruit with NBA potential from the other side of the country would be an enormous statement that UConn is still a national power.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

You quoted a passage where I mention the Iso, P&R, and Motion, so naturally I know you are specifically referring to the Princeton offense. The motion is also not a gimmick offense, as it uses P&R on and away from the ball (as you mention good UConn teams doing). It is so much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than Isolation, IMO. The Princeton offense is a subset of the Motion. It's only a gimmick because a team of undersized, less athletic, ivy-leaguers beat the defending NCAA National Champions in 1996.

Plenty of NBA teams have run/are running versions of the Princeton Offense, including the Sacremento Kings from 1997-2006 (when they were routinely contenders in the West and had some guy named Webber playing for them.), where Pete Carril was an assistant coach.

No, the term "motion offense" gets misused all the time. Indiana under Bob Knight ran a motion offense. UConn under Jim Calhoun did not. They ran various sets and plays, like almost every single NBA offense does, but a motion offense relies on general principles of movement, five largely interchangeable guys, and no set plays. In the NBA the priority is getting your best offensive player in a position to make a play. Sure, the Wizards for a minute and the Kings when Carrill was there took elements of the princeton offense, but the NBA is a players league. Running an offense like princeton in the NBA only has the effect of removing the advantage a dynamic playmaker gives you. 101.

 

[Husky25]

Many programs from AAU to high school to college and through to the pros use concepts derived from the motion, iso, and P&R.

The general NBA philosophy of star power makes it the lesser enjoyable version, IMO, regardless of the talent of the individuals playing the game.

 

[mauconnfan]

Amazing how a thread for potential UConn recruit Daniel Hamilton's trip to Storrs has turned into a "who gives a duckk" thread about the NBA..........

 

[johnhuskies95]

The Princeton offense is very closely related to the triangle offense, and that seemed to have success in the NBA.

 

[Husky25]

The Princeton offense is very closely related to the triangle offense, and that seemed to have success in the NBA.

That's impossible, its a gimmick...

 

[Yonick]

Amazing how a thread for potential UConn recruit Daniel Hamilton's trip to Storrs has turned into a "who gives a duckk" thread about the NBA..........

Aso, a thread regarding a potential recruit's religion, regarding where he will go to college, turned into a religious three page thread.
Whatever happened to UConn basketball??